david_hume:

Yeah, you've made your point, a logical response is beyond you!

Good day sir!

OLAADEGBU:

You could only read "God is Nothing" because of the atheist evolutionist glasses you use in viewing the evidence around you but those who put on biblical creationist glasses would read "God is no thing." Do you now see why I said that you need to change your glasses so as to see clearly?

enitan2002:

There is no reason for us to become an atheist because we were all born one until adults started the indoctrination.

Kay 17: Olaadegbu

From what you said, the suffering and evils we experience today are punishment from God, but it is all humans irrespective of their stations and stages in life that suffer, and one wonders who is God really punishing?!

david_hume:

This is just hilarious!
So, If God is NO thing, then what IS God?

OLAADEGBU:

Let me put it to you in yet another perspective. If you were to place a dried out leaf into the presence of fire, you would notice that the fire would not hesitate to consume the leaf in a matter of seconds. The fire must consume the leaf because of its very nature. Even if the fire didn't want to dispose of the leaf, it wouldn't matter, it still must consume it because their natures are diametrically opposed one to the other.

As in Hebrews 12:29 describes God as a consuming fire. By His very nature, God must consume anything and everything that opposes His nature. We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ, or we will be consumed by the ever pure burning holiness of the King of Kings.

"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God" (Deut.4:24) The Evidence Bible.

Kay 17:

Does that include rape victims? Poor children? Aborted foetus? Orphans? Widows? Is God's consuming fire deservedly on these victims? Are they responsible for their misfortunes and God's raging fire?!

OLAADEGBU:

Do you want Him to start judging murderers and rapists now? If God judged evil today, all sinners would perish under His wrath. Thank God that He is patiently waiting for all thieves, liars, adulterers, fornicators, those who lust and those who hate to turn to the Saviour in repentance and be saved from His terrible wrath.

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9) The Evidence Bible.

Kay 17:

This is a roundabout effect, God punishes man through evil, evil becomes a tool in God's hands against us. It is contrary to God's intentions and obvious actions to claim rapists and murderers and thieves act independently of their will, rather than mere puppets in God's grand scheme.

How is it possible for God to separate himself from his actions?

Wouldn't I further God's will by poisoning the world?

OLAADEGBU:

On what basis do you judge God? I thought you atheist assert that everything is relative, and there are no absolutes. Does evil exist?

Kay 17:

Olaadegbu

It is clear you believe God exists

That God is loving and caring

That God is good. These form the basis of your worldview which I immerse myself into and probe for consistency. In so far as you judge God for being good, I can likewise do otherwise. Note that Good/Evil are taken as you define them.

OLAADEGBU:

Does evil exist in your worldview? If yes, what constitutes as evil? Rape? Murder? Stealing? Or are you admitting that there is no good or evil in an absolute sense?

OLAADEGBU: Here's how to get rid of the offense of God’s moral Law.

Simply call

Adultery an "affair,"

Covetousness (greed) "gaming,"

Brothels "gentlemen's clubs,"

Call lies "white,"

call murder "a choice,"

and homosexuality "gay."

Humanity may try and soften the Ten Commandments, but they were written in hard stone for a reason. They are permanent, and they will judge humanity on Judgment Day.

There is, however, another way to deal with the problem of the immutable Law. When a certain woman was caught in the act of adultery certain religious hypocrites wanted to stone her according to the moral Law. They threw her at the feet of Jesus and asked what He thought they should do. He had a suggestion.

He said:

"He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone at her,"

Then He bent down and wrote in the sand with His finger. No one knows exactly what He wrote, but some believe He wrote The Ten Commandments. There’s a reason for that. When God gave the Commandments to Moses, He wrote them in stone with His finger. Also, the function of the Law is to bring knowledge of sin (see Romans 3:19,20, 7:7, 7:13), and stir the human conscience. Those who saw what Jesus wrote were convicted in their conscience and they dropped their stones and one by one, left.

However. there’s one big difference in this case between the Law written in stone and the Law written in sand. Sand doesn’t speak of permanency. Because of the cross, upon repentance and faith in Jesus, our sins--in a moment of time, are washed away into the sea of God’s forgetfulness.

OLAADEGBU:

Do you want Him to start judging murderers and rapists now? If God judged evil today, all sinners would perish under His wrath. Thank God that He is patiently waiting for all thieves, liars, adulterers, fornicators, those who lust and those who hate to turn to the Saviour in repentance and be saved from His terrible wrath.

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9) The Evidence Bible.

OLAADEGBU: "Why does God allow evil men and women to live?"

Kay 17:

Nooo that's not my question, my question is why do we suffer?!

Joshthefirst: sin, not necessarily your sin, but sin all the same. God has promised a world without sin and death where righteousness and life and peace will prevail.

OLAADEGBU:

God is not a thing. He is a Spirit that is not bound by natural laws. God is a Spirit and not a sequence of energetic reactions. The laws of thermodynamics does not apply to God.

Kay 17:

Nooo that's not my question, my question is why do we suffer?!

david_hume:

Dictionary.com
thing:
anything that is or may become an object of thought: things of the spirit.

So, you can see that a spirit is also a thing. Perhaps you should check the dictionary before getting your words twisted

Kay 17:

The caption is "the wages of sin is death"

OLAADEGBU:

An atheist wrote: "Strong circumstantial evidence that there is no god. Number of god's creations who died horrible deaths from the following diseases: (or did they all die as martyrs?)

1. 300,000,000 approx. Smallpox
2. 200,000,000? Measles
3. 100,000,000 approx. Black Death
4. 80,000,000-250,000,000 Malaria
5. 50,000,000-100,000,000 Spanish Flu
6. 40,000,000-100,000,000 Plague of Justinian
7. 40,000,000-100,000,000 Tuberculosis
8. 30,000,000[13] AIDS pandemic
9. 12,000,000 ? Third Pandemic of Bubonic Plague
10. 5,000,000 Antonine Plague
11. 4,000,000 Asian Flu
12. 250,000 or more annually Seasonal influenza."

Ray replied: The number of people who are now living that will eventually die. Every one of the seven billion. That's more than strong circumstantial evidence that God means what He says is His Word: "The souls that sins, it shall die," "It is appointed to man once to die. After this, the Judgment." Pain, suffering, disease and death are stark proofs that the Bible is the Word of God when it says we live in a "fallen" creation.

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enitan2002:

There is no reason for us to become an atheist because we were all born one until adults started the indoctrination.