cold:
Why do you keep coming across as borderline r3tard?So you need religion or belief in an imaginary friend to discern right from wrong.Oh so you didn't know murder was wrong until you read it in your storybook?Without religion there'll be good and bad people but it takes religion for good people to do evil.In fact,men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions.Go back & read your bible again.This time do not cherry pick as all Christians are won't to do.Read it in its entirety,you might just get the message..hopefully

GeneralShepherd:

There is no objective morality what maybe right for you to others might be wrong, I believe religion helps in providing some form our conformity in morality at least for the adherents of that particular religion.

'It takes religion for good people to do evil' how did you arrive at this conclusion, can you provide any proof? Please don't be making assertions and passing them off as fact without any shred of evidence.

cold:
Murder is a universal wrong. Nothing subjective about that.Tell me one major war that didn't have some religious undertone

tony_runo: @ nwuyag! Awesome writeup bro! thought provoking stuff too.....However they still turn a blind eye but then, insist u read their own stuff with an open mind....To an extent, it sure proves that you just cant reason someone out of a position they didnt reason themselves into in the first place.

Mintayo: ^^^
do u really need to write this long post to show to us that you dnt believe in te Christain God?
What you believe does not matter,God exists,you are the one with the problem of not believing jawe...
I just it won't be too late before you realize that God exists!

haibe:

It is true that murder is universally wrong, so what is the punishment for a murderer?

cold:
My idea of punishment should be different from yours since you lay claim to a loving god. Your problem is you keep picking & choosing what you find convenient at a particular time. But this is no surprise because the book on which your whole life rotates is a compendium of confusion & contradictions

tony_runo: I'll answer your question....if the murderer is found guilty, they should be jailed for life. Go ahead and make your point

haibe:

so is the nigerian constitution not fair for making the judgement of a muderer death?

tony_runo:

I reckon its fair to a certain extent but if I had my way, wouldnt be so.

quivah: dear haibe! I just realized how stupid god made you,he must be regretting that now!

Sup with the "thread closed" picture?!
If your bossy bottom dey hurt,jump into the river.
i just saw that picture,and I couldnt help but laugh
Please,become a mod first then get to know how to do it right not just post a pix!..

haibe:

I need reasonable people to talk to, you posted something without being able to defend it, that shows how unreasonable you are, do not derail your own thread, its more like commiting suicide

haibe:

yes you wont have it so but now that its so, can you do anything about it?

tony_runo:

Something can actually be done about it but presently, No I cant do anything....

quivah:
and have you been able to counter them with the reasonable people you wanna talk to?!..no! except if you mean defending my fake version of the bible.
Btw, I can't defend my post without anyone being able to prove it wrong..you are trying to be that person but you kept failing.
Learn from reygenius,he's miles ahead of ya.
Besides,i'm following a person's advice here by toning down..will check back in if you'v been able to prove my post wrong!!!!
I'm not here to argue not until you are w arguing with or till when my post is proven wrong.
Till then, Ciao.

Oh duuuh!bless easter bunny!

quivah:
and have you been able to counter them with the reasonable people you wanna talk to?!..no! except if you mean defending my fake version of the bible.
Btw, I can't defend my post without anyone being able to prove it wrong..you are trying to be that person but you kept failing.
Learn from reygenius,he's miles ahead of ya.
Besides,i'm following a person's advice here by toning down..will check back in if you'v been able to prove my post wrong!!!!
I'm not here to argue not until you are worth arguing with or till when my post is proven wrong.
Till then, Ciao.

Oh duuuh!bless easter bunny!

haibe:

Will you answer my question or shut up!!

haibe:

okay but why do you think its unfair to kill a man that has commited murder?

haibe:

I have countered your claims but perhaps you are so dull that you did not notice it, I have been trying to have a peaceful argument but it seems you do not like it that way, it shows how immature you are, learn from your mates the way the argue without placing emotions.

tony_runo:

I didnt say it's 'unfair', I said I reckon it is 'fair' to a certain extent...IMO, in as much as the act of killing the murderer may seem satisfying, allowing them to live the rest of their life in misery/imprisonment feels more befitting....i have a question for u though...do you ever consider God unfair in his dealings sometimes? I assume you have read the bible extensively...

tony_runo:

I didnt say it's 'unfair', I said I reckon it is 'fair' to a certain extent...IMO, in as much as the act of killing the murderer may seem satisfying, allowing them to live the rest of their life in misery/imprisonment feels more befitting....i have a question for u though...do you ever consider God unfair in his dealings sometimes? I assume you have read the bible extensively...

haibe:

isn't it better to kill them once than allowing them to live in misery for life? I think the soldier in a war ground understands this better.

haibe:

yes I think its unfair sometimes until I realise the reason behind it.

tony_runo:

By realising the reason, i guess you suggest whatever action taken becomes justified. Fair enough. However, I'd would like to get ur say on a certain story. Its the story of Uzzah( 1 Chronicles 13). The actions carried out by God? Can it really be justified? Naturally any kind and loving being wont endorse such no matter what, but there becomes a serious twist to the whole story when you actually remember that God is meant to be omni-scient and must have known before hand what would happen and yet still get so pissed and strike him down...whats your take on all that?

haibe:


thanks for the question, firstly I hope you know God is just, according to God’s instructions regarding the ark, Uzzah was not supposed to touch it. Besides, the ark was not supposed to be transferred on a cart but on shoulders of priests called Kohathites (Numbers 4:1-20). So, to put it simply: God acted justly and not unfairly as you may think.

tony_runo:

So you are saying God striking Uzzah down without warning in that scenario is morally right and fair

tony_runo: Besides you seem to have ignored the 'supposed' omni-scient feature of God. He saw it before it even happened but yet let it happen

haibe:


A commandment/instruction is also a warning bro

tony_runo: Besides you seem to have ignored the 'supposed' omni-scient feature of God. He saw it before it even happened but yet let it happen