haibe:

if God stopped every action because he knows, then he created humans like robots and infact this world won't make sense, think of it.

tony_runo:

So you are saying God striking Uzzah down without warning in that scenario is morally right and fair, even though Uzzah apparently had no ill intentions? you seriously dont find anything wrong with any of that? Even David was displeased, but I guess out of fear he couldnt really get angry at God....well, I rest my case. But deep down, something tells me, that anyone including you haibe wont find such an action unfair. Its funny however, if you were to read a similar story any where else but the bible, you would probably be infuriated and call for justice. I rest my case.

tony_runo:

Does it not bother you that some one who has actually seen the future or knows what will happen still acts surprised or pissed off? U agree then that God already saw it happen....so why the anger like he had no idea Uzzah could do such a thing? Or was he expecting Uzzah to act differently? Perhaps he should have just gone on to create humans like robots then, if he really cant bear the thought of anyone disobeying him. At least no one would have to burn in hell....I'm actually thinking bro. I employ you to do same.

tony_runo:

smh....There's no point really. You wouldnt find fault with anything as far as the Bible says "God did it or God allows it". so much for 'Mercy' and 'kindness'. Why? He could have just struck down Adam and Eve as well since it pisses him off that much when people disobey.

tony_runo:

In the end, it all boils down to opinion...for me, i'd rather they suffer the consequences of their actions that way.

haibe:

like you said in a previous post, it all boils down to opinion on how judgement should be, so why bother about how God choses his own judgement/consequence for a particular sin or action?

Mintayo:
you know He actually gave u a sincere answer but you just decide to ignore it.
You actually want him to tell you what you wanted to hear,this is what weary me abt u athiest.
God is God and He is just,u want God to reason like human,but no,that is why He is God,it is pride that makes people to become athiest,PRIDE,it is not abt asking questions but PRIDE,not wanting to humble one-self.
I pray God will help you.

Mintayo:
another sincere answer he gave u up there!
Good that u r actually thinking.
If God had interfare,u ppl wld v screamed again,why did he do that.
The people of OT lived by Law,you know what you must do and what u must not do and more importantly you know the consequence of whatever u do.
God has given us the ability to choose,make the right choice and u r good,make d wrong choice and u pay for it,ppl shld nt blame God for the wrong choices they make.
It is just like a man who went ahead to rob a bank(and he knows that that is wrong),yet he chose to do it,then he better not be caught cus he is going to pay for it,now shld God help him with d robbery? Or help him get caught?,since He knws d future?
Whatever decision u make today,there is a result and consequence,that is why we must all choose Jesus.
Shalom.

quivah: mintayo and atheistic pride...you funny brah! The proud person here is god.

Tony runo, i'd advice you chill and hold onto your belief cause i'on see where this is going...

quivah: mintayo and atheistic pride...you funny brah! The proud person here is god.

Tony runo, i'd advice you chill and hold onto your belief cause i'on see where this is going...

quivah:
my posts should give you the answer already...i'm an Agnostic, now that have answered the question,..will be waiting for your defensive post on the issue up there..I promise I wont argue.. . ..


Woow! Really?
god exists?! Bring him out from where you'v been hiding him and show me.
If truly that god in the bible exists,prove!..
Don't drop some bible verses here,I want a eye-see prove..
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tony_runo:

Come on bro! In that scenario we were talking abt some one who had commited 'murder' which is much more serious, compared to touching a box....lets create a different scenario! Lets say Uzzah was actually a stubborn person, he remembered the law of not touching the ark but refused to obey....infact he got sick and tired of people telling him not to touch the ark and decided not only to touch it but push it to the ground just for the fun of it to see how God wld react. Isnt it more logical then for God at that point to get really pissed and strike quickly? Or maybe u dont see my point. Anyway, you cant deny the fact that as time went by God seemed to have taken some sort of anger management classes/ gone into anger rehab. The new testament is clear evidence that he decided to tone down. No more flash killings n stuff....in the old testament, someone touched his box(stopped it from stumbling off) and he went berserk. In the new testament, his only begotten son is tortured and killed, instead he watches on....amazing transformation i must say

johnnyblakes: and JESUS said if I AM LIFTED UP I WILL DRAW ALL MEN TO ME,halleluya,have u nt tot of it? he cud have been killed and buried in the bush! or stab to death,or shot to death,but no,he had to be lifted up high where all men cud see him.thats a divine setup that u and satan dont know,u r talking trash today is because of grace.repent and be saved

johnnyblakes: only a fool will say there is no GOD,thats why the wisdom of men is folishness before GOD,ITS a shame that u are still so so very blind to see the truth.humanism will be the cause of ur destruction.GOD help ur dieing soul.

Mintayo:

I think you u r right,its no points answering a question when you already have d answer in mind,no?
Btw,how are you doing?

tony_runo:

Oh I'm definitely chilled ...Stopped arguing about these sorta things long ago. dunno why i got started on it again...i think twas because of the comment haibe made about real atheists having no morals. Coming from someone who endorses every nasty act permitted or carried out by god in the bible, i found such a statement laughable!

Taylor184: @op,are u an atheist?


I would have love to answer you,but I don't like arguing with someone who is devoid of knowledge...Shalom

Elantracey: ....u re very correct ...she is ignorant of wat d bible talks about n moreover notin dere is from d new testament it wil be a waste of tym tryin to convince u cos u re already blinded 4rm truth

nnofaith: how ironic!

Elantracey: ....u re very correct ...she is ignorant of wat d bible talks about n moreover notin dere is from d new testament it wil be a waste of tym tryin to convince u cos u re already blinded 4rm truth

Elantracey: ...the truth is u cant understand it not matter how u try,the mystery of the gospel is only revealed to d believin one thru d holy spirit even many christians find it hard to understand dis

nnofaith: your holy spirit is incompetent cos he inspired a lot of BS in the bible.

Elantracey: ....my dear mind wat u say because all sins can be forgiven except blasphemy against d holy spirit

Taylor184: The word of the cross is Folly to them who are perishing,but to us who are being saved it is the power of God....1st Corinthians 1:18
The Bible is not just a Book,it is filled with power and authority,filled with life and blessings,filled with knowledge and wisdom...If you don't believe in the scriptures sir,you are Doomed already#no offence
But,Jesus loves you,Come to him and you shall have understanding

Rossikk:

You're a complete dolt. Peddling a ridiculous, stupi.d book.

Sure, ''if you don't believe in him you are doomed already''.

''OH but he LOVES you! He really LOVES you!!!''

He WILL TORTURE you eternally (ie for trillions of centuries) in a monstrous inferno, for a 70 year 'sinful' life.

BUT HE ''LOVES'' YOU!!!!!!!

He really, truly ''LOVES'' you!!!!!!!

[size=15pt]FCU.K OFF FROM HERE WITH THAT CONTRADICTORY COMBINATION OF HORSESHIIT AND BULLSHIIT.[/size]

Ray McBlue:

To reach a certain point of decision, there is always a reason. To become an atheist, there is a reason, a reason that questions the existence of a supernatural being that couldn't be seen or proved.

When a lightening strikes, you see it, you even know what caused it, so thus lightening can be proved. When a breeze blows, you feel the touch even though it's invisible to the naked eyes. Not believing in all this scientifically proven and physical manifestation of nature could only be construed as foolhardy or pride or just plain foolishness.

Your god on the other hand is not only invisible but doesn't manifest in anyway, so then how could you accuse me of being too proud of admitting that I believed in something that wasn't really there to begin with? Something that is only based on faith and sentiments, and not logic?

How does that make sense?

Elantracey: ....my dear mind wat u say because all sins can be forgiven except blasphemy against d holy spirit

oladele-luqman:

can u see or touch d brain u are using in writing al diz misguidance...N.B..am not a xtrian, but a MUSLIM, and i would like to convince u about islam...islam is science, it z a religion of prove, and i thnk u bliv in wat can b proved?. @quiva, i came here purposly coz of u. I would like to chat wit u. Pls giv me ur contact...preferably 2go, my i.d z 'luqman1914'

oladele-luqman:

can u see or touch d brain u are using in writing al diz misguidance...N.B..am not a xtrian, but a MUSLIM, and i would like to convince u about islam...islam is science, it z a religion of prove, and i thnk u bliv in wat can b proved?. @quiva, i came here purposly coz of u. I would like to chat wit u. Pls giv me ur contact...preferably 2go, my i.d z 'luqman1914'

Uyi Iredia:

Th en it will be wrong to say God is all-forgiving and whether you don't like it the fact is that a God who sends people to eternal torture for not receiving His Son when he left many gaps for doubts, an allowed the Devil (as you excuse) run riot with deceptive religion isn't a Fod worth serving. Madam will you respect a human father who tortures his child for disobedience ?

folagbade23: all I have to say is that the moment you start doubting God's existence and going against God's personality then you are already doomed. A word is enough for the wise..... It is written in the Bible already that when the world is coming to an end, people who will speak against God and doubt God's existence will rise up, they will do these thinking they know what is right and that they are being truthful... It wont be their fault coz they are already blinded by the devil and it will take God's grace for them to come out of it.....

So I urge others to stop arguing with people who speak against God, the holy spirit and the Bible because they will end up making you to sin since that is their main purpose that the devil has bestowed upon them. Dont let them succeed. Beware of the antichrist!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case

folagbade23: all I have to say is that the moment you start doubting God's existence and going against God's personality then you are already doomed. A word is enough for the wise..... It is written in the Bible already that when the world is coming to an end, people who will speak against God and doubt God's existence will rise up, they will do these thinking they know what is right and that they are being truthful... It wont be their fault coz they are already blinded by the devil and it will take God's grace for them to come out of it.....

So I urge others to stop arguing with people who speak against God, the holy spirit and the Bible because they will end up making you to sin since that is their main purpose that the devil has bestowed upon them. Dont let them succeed. Beware of the antichrist!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case