Lmao just passing.

tchaik: bishop logic boy, what time is service today?.

Noo service today....pastor fon travel

Na wah oh, and I been dey expect service today oh. Na wah oh, and I been dey expect service today oh.

Logicboy03:


Noo service today....pastor fon travel

If to say we dey pay tithe, him for show. That is one thing theists get right, they are fully proffesional/organized with these sorts of schemes

Lol

[size=18pt]Sermon Topic- Intelligent People Win [/size]

Ladies and gentlemen; heathens and infidels, welcome to another sunday atheist sermon. We are sorry for the omission last Sunday!


before we start lets have a prayer;

Prayer to Humanity-
I wish for a better world
where we are less divided
and more united
more knowledge and less faith
more practical solutions and less prayer
a world where science is learnt
and not hated or feared




I want to tell a story which ends with a question so that I can make a deep point that is central to this sermon;

There are two brothers; Seun and Tope. Seun and Tope had good upbringing with strong morals. They grew up together but Seun went abroad to get a Phd in management while Tope only managed to get a diploma from polytechnic. When Seun came back to Nigeria, he could get a job easily and the same was for Tope who was also unemployed. Tope, being very religious started going to church and got his job as a christian motivational speaker from his church (he was a freelance sunday school teach and his teaching talent was discovered). Seun is not religious and is a skeptic- he didnt pray for a job but hustled for one on his own- he also became a motivational speaker for a management consultancy firm. Seun and Tope both spoke about business ethics and keeping integrity. Also, the both spoke on charity; Seun used a secular method of talking about corporate social responsibility while Tope used his christian ethics to talk about helping the poor.

Times were good for both brothers until Seun's company went broke. Seun didnt have job and couldnt even afford his rent. Seun had to move to a one room shack in a ghetto. Seun's fiance left him. Tope, on the other hand, was living in a luxury apartment in Lekki and driving 3 different SUVs. Tope has a wife and 3 children. Tope could practice what he preached by going to do charity with his wealth and meeting top christian pastors to engage in community projects. Seun could not practice his own charity, he had no money to give anyone and lacked the necessary connections to do projects.

The question now is- who is intelligent between the two brothers? Seun or Tope?

You see, on paper, Seun would be more intelligent and his experience would be beneficial to those who run businesses. However, in the society we live in, Seun is a failure. "What did his atheism and his intelligence plus education get him? Foolish atheist Seun! Could he achieve his dreams? Respect to the boss man Tope! The guy runs his own business and rolls in luxury. The guy only has a diploma...he crawled his way out of unemployment.....remain private jet jooo....God is blessing him!!"


The simple point from this story is that the world is unfair and intelligence on only paper (degree) only works in a fair world. I laugh sometimes when some atheists rant about how Nigeria is; they say "oh Nigeria is filled with illiterate people who just follow religion without thinking! There is no proper debate or policy on abortion! There is no separation from church and state! etc" << The reason why atheists are saying such is because we are losing in Nigeria. Talk is cheap. We are losing.

Take a look at the sermon topic "intelligent people win". Christians and muslims understand the power of numbers and politics. They use the sheer voice the religious crowd to force their religion on government policies. The few atheists then complain and cry. The atheists are only intelligent on paper, just like brother Seun. Brother Seun can do management consultancy and help you run your business but he is broke and has no job or business himself. The atheists in Nigeria need to win. Just like the American atheists, humanists etc who have pushed against religious intolerance and still continue to do so. The have succeeded in stirring up the debate about religious symbols in govt buildings. They have pushed back on creeping creationism and religion in public schools. They are winning. They are intelligent both on paper and in practice.


If you want to see Nigeria change, you have to do it. You have to win. Do you think that slavery just stopped when christian and secular abolitionists said that slavery should stop? No. There were slave uprisings, there was serious debate, there was even a civil war. Just sitting back and saying that "I dont bother with religion, I just mind my own disbelief and get on" is foolish. Why? Because a boko haram member doesnt mind his belief- unlike you who keeps your disbelief to yourself. The could bomb you and your family if you are in an international building in Abuja. A religious bigot will force you enter embarrasing situations because you want to buy birth control or contraceptives. Many religious people do not mind their business if even you mind your beliefs.


I believe that atheists should be both intelligent on paper and in practice. Play the game. Play the politics of life. If a silly church is causing a 3 hour traffic delay just because they are having revival camps (church members blocking roads with bad parking), there is nothing wrong in writing numerous letters (preferably anonymous or with pseudonyms) to the local or state government and newspapers to stop the nonsense. Or would you rather be 3 hours late and miss business opportunities because of traffic caused by some meddling church?


Note that I am not saying that it is a crime to be poor (with relations to Seun in the story). The point is that you're in a society/world where poverty is looked upon as a disease. You can only influence or achieve something when you have the means to do so. Here in Nigeria, if you are poor, you are not intelligent whether you read books or not. The illiterate pastor who has a mullti-million dollar church is the wise man.


Food for thought.

*passes around atheist tithe bag*

The sermon is ended. Please, go in peace

Logicboy03: [size=18pt]Sermon Topic- Intelligent People Win [/size]

Ladies and gentlemen; heathens and infidels, welcome to another sunday atheist sermon. We are sorry for the omission last Sunday!


before we start lets have a prayer;

Prayer to Humanity-
I wish for a better world
where we are less divided
and more united
more knowledge and less faith
more practical solutions and less prayer
a world where science is learnt
and not hated or feared




I want to tell a story which ends with a question so that I can make a deep point that is central to this sermon;

There are two brothers; Seun and Tope. Seun and Tope had good upbringing with strong morals. They grew up together but Seun went abroad to get a Phd in management while Tope only managed to get a diploma from polytechnic. When Seun came back to Nigeria, he could get a job easily and the same was for Tope who was also unemployed. Tope, being very religious started going to church and got his job as a christian motivational speaker from his church (he was a freelance sunday school teach and his teaching talent was discovered). Seun is not religious and is a skeptic- he didnt pray for a job but hustled for one on his own- he also became a motivational speaker for a management consultancy firm. Seun and Tope both spoke about business ethics and keeping integrity. Also, the both spoke on charity; Seun used a secular method of talking about corporate social responsibility while Tope used his christian ethics to talk about helping the poor.

Times were good for both brothers until Seun's company went broke. Seun didnt have job and couldnt even afford his rent. Seun had to move to a one room shack in a ghetto. Seun's fiance left him. Tope, on the other hand, was living in a luxury apartment in Lekki and driving 3 different SUVs. Tope has a wife and 3 children. Tope could practice what he preached by going to do charity with his wealth and meeting top christian pastors to engage in community projects. Seun could not practice his own charity, he had no money to give anyone and lacked the necessary connections to do projects.

The question now is- who is intelligent between the two brothers? Seun or Tope?

You see, on paper, Seun would be more intelligent and his experience would be beneficial to those who run businesses. However, in the society we live in, Seun is a failure. "What did his atheism and his intelligence plus education get him? Foolish atheist Seun! Could he achieve his dreams? Respect to the boss man Tope! The guy runs his own business and rolls in luxury. The guy only has a diploma...he crawled his way out of unemployment.....remain private jet jooo....God is blessing him!!"


The simple point from this story is that the world is unfair and intelligence on only paper (degree) only works in a fair world. I laugh sometimes when some atheists rant about how Nigeria is; they say "oh Nigeria is filled with illiterate people who just follow religion without thinking! There is no proper debate or policy on abortion! There is no separation from church and state! etc" << The reason why atheists are saying such is because we are losing in Nigeria. Talk is cheap. We are losing.

Take a look at the sermon topic "intelligent people win". Christians and muslims understand the power of numbers and politics. They use the sheer voice the religious crowd to force their religion on government policies. The few atheists then complain and cry. The atheists are only intelligent on paper, just like brother Seun. Brother Seun can do management consultancy and help you run your business but he is broke and has no job or business himself. The atheists in Nigeria need to win. Just like the American atheists, humanists etc who have pushed against religious intolerance and still continue to do so. The have succeeded in stirring up the debate about religious symbols in govt buildings. They have pushed back on creeping creationism and religion in public schools. They are winning. They are intelligent both on paper and in practice.


If you want to see Nigeria change, you have to do it. You have to win. Do you think that slavery just stopped when christian and secular abolitionists said that slavery should stop? No. There were slave uprisings, there was serious debate, there was even a civil war. Just sitting back and saying that "I dont bother with religion, I just mind my own disbelief and get on" is foolish. Why? Because a boko haram member doesnt mind his belief- unlike you who keeps your disbelief to yourself. The could bomb you and your family if you are in an international building in Abuja. A religious bigot will force you enter embarrasing situations because you want to buy birth control or contraceptives. Many religious people do not mind their business if even you mind your beliefs.


I believe that atheists should be both intelligent on paper and in practice. Play the game. Play the politics of life. If a silly church is causing a 3 hour traffic delay just because they are having revival camps (church members blocking roads with bad parking), there is nothing wrong in writing numerous letters (preferably anonymous or with pseudonyms) to the local or state government and newspapers to stop the nonsense. Or would you rather be 3 hours late and miss business opportunities because of traffic caused by some meddling church?


Note that I am not saying that it is a crime to be poor (with relations to Seun in the story). The point is that you're in a society/world where poverty is looked upon as a disease. You can only influence or achieve something when you have the means to do so. Here in Nigeria, if you are poor, you are not intelligent whether you read books or not. The illiterate pastor who has a mullti-million dollar church is the wise man.


Food for thought.

*passes around atheist tithe bag*

The sermon is ended. Please, go in peace

Pastor good morning ooo, I have some questions

GeneralShepherd:

Pastor good morning ooo, I have some questions

Ask them.....

GeneralShepherd:

Pastor good morning ooo, I have some questions

ask them....

Logicboy03: [size=18pt]Sermon Topic- Intelligent People Win [/size]

Ladies and gentlemen; heathens and infidels, welcome to another sunday atheist sermon. We are sorry for the omission last Sunday!


before we start lets have a prayer;

Prayer to Humanity-
I wish for a better world
where we are less divided
and more united
more knowledge and less faith
more practical solutions and less prayer
a world where science is learnt
and not hated or feared




I want to tell a story which ends with a question so that I can make a deep point that is central to this sermon;

There are two brothers; Seun and Tope. Seun and Tope had good upbringing with strong morals. They grew up together but Seun went abroad to get a Phd in management while Tope only managed to get a diploma from polytechnic. When Seun came back to Nigeria, he could get a job easily and the same was for Tope who was also unemployed. Tope, being very religious started going to church and got his job as a christian motivational speaker from his church (he was a freelance sunday school teach and his teaching talent was discovered). Seun is not religious and is a skeptic- he didnt pray for a job but hustled for one on his own- he also became a motivational speaker for a management consultancy firm. Seun and Tope both spoke about business ethics and keeping integrity. Also, the both spoke on charity; Seun used a secular method of talking about corporate social responsibility while Tope used his christian ethics to talk about helping the poor.

Times were good for both brothers until Seun's company went broke. Seun didnt have job and couldnt even afford his rent. Seun had to move to a one room shack in a ghetto. Seun's fiance left him. Tope, on the other hand, was living in a luxury apartment in Lekki and driving 3 different SUVs. Tope has a wife and 3 children. Tope could practice what he preached by going to do charity with his wealth and meeting top christian pastors to engage in community projects. Seun could not practice his own charity, he had no money to give anyone and lacked the necessary connections to do projects.

The question now is- who is intelligent between the two brothers? Seun or Tope?

You see, on paper, Seun would be more intelligent and his experience would be beneficial to those who run businesses. However, in the society we live in, Seun is a failure. "What did his atheism and his intelligence plus education get him? Foolish atheist Seun! Could he achieve his dreams? Respect to the boss man Tope! The guy runs his own business and rolls in luxury. The guy only has a diploma...he crawled his way out of unemployment.....remain private jet jooo....God is blessing him!!"


The simple point from this story is that the world is unfair and intelligence on only paper (degree) only works in a fair world. I laugh sometimes when some atheists rant about how Nigeria is; they say "oh Nigeria is filled with illiterate people who just follow religion without thinking! There is no proper debate or policy on abortion! There is no separation from church and state! etc" << The reason why atheists are saying such is because we are losing in Nigeria. Talk is cheap. We are losing.

Take a look at the sermon topic "intelligent people win". Christians and muslims understand the power of numbers and politics. They use the sheer voice the religious crowd to force their religion on government policies. The few atheists then complain and cry. The atheists are only intelligent on paper, just like brother Seun. Brother Seun can do management consultancy and help you run your business but he is broke and has no job or business himself. The atheists in Nigeria need to win. Just like the American atheists, humanists etc who have pushed against religious intolerance and still continue to do so. The have succeeded in stirring up the debate about religious symbols in govt buildings. They have pushed back on creeping creationism and religion in public schools. They are winning. They are intelligent both on paper and in practice.


If you want to see Nigeria change, you have to do it. You have to win. Do you think that slavery just stopped when christian and secular abolitionists said that slavery should stop? No. There were slave uprisings, there was serious debate, there was even a civil war. Just sitting back and saying that "I dont bother with religion, I just mind my own disbelief and get on" is foolish. Why? Because a boko haram member doesnt mind his belief- unlike you who keeps your disbelief to yourself. The could bomb you and your family if you are in an international building in Abuja. A religious bigot will force you enter embarrasing situations because you want to buy birth control or contraceptives. Many religious people do not mind their business if even you mind your beliefs.


I believe that atheists should be both intelligent on paper and in practice. Play the game. Play the politics of life. If a silly church is causing a 3 hour traffic delay just because they are having revival camps (church members blocking roads with bad parking), there is nothing wrong in writing numerous letters (preferably anonymous or with pseudonyms) to the local or state government and newspapers to stop the nonsense. Or would you rather be 3 hours late and miss business opportunities because of traffic caused by some meddling church?


Note that I am not saying that it is a crime to be poor (with relations to Seun in the story). The point is that you're in a society/world where poverty is looked upon as a disease. You can only influence or achieve something when you have the means to do so. Here in Nigeria, if you are poor, you are not intelligent whether you read books or not. The illiterate pastor who has a mullti-million dollar church is the wise man.


Food for thought.

*passes around atheist tithe bag*

The sermon is ended. Please, go in peace

Bravo.

Logicboy03:

[b]*passes around atheist tithe bag*

The sermon is ended. Please, go in peace

where does the tithe money go pls?

ooman:

where does the tithe money go pls?

Towards two projects;

-My Lexus 450H with "SK3PT1C" as my plate number
-An atheist billboard saying "What if God doesnt exist?"

Logicboy03:


Towards two projects;

-My Lexus 450H with "SK3PT1C" as my plate number
-An atheist billboard saying "What if God doesnt exist?"

and why should the atheist tithe money get you a lexus? or is it for evangelism?

I think "What if God doesnt exist?" sounds rather agnostic....

ooman:

and why should the atheist tithe money get you a lexus? or is it for evangelism?

I think "What if God doesnt exist?" sounds rather agnostic....

I have to ride like all the other big boy pastors. Did you not read the sermon about Seun and Tope? I must have the connections and swag to properly preach my atheist gospel.....the luxury car helps.


Also, you can go full atheists on Nigerians....some might run mad.....agnostic first, then gbam! Full atheism

Logicboy03:


I have to ride like all the other big boy pastors. Did you not read the sermon about Seun and Tope? I must have the connections and swag to properly preach my atheist gospel.....the luxury car helps.


Also, you can go full atheists on Nigerians....some might run mad.....agnostic first, then gbam! Full atheism

common LB, i thought you were against all those big pastors, now you wanna be like them?

I can send you a Lexus, if its for evangelism....

ooman:

common LB, i thought you were against all those big pastors, now you wanna be like them?

I can send you a Lexus, if its for evangelism....

Ehem.....erm....if you can't beat them.......join them


Anyhoo, I was just kidding......I will just manage my honda pilot............

Nice sermon.

But I beg to differ sha oh: Practicalise atheism in Nigeria? That has impossible written all over it. Nigerians see these religious things two ways; You're either RELIGIOUS or EVIL. Write against any religious activity and you're an agent of the devil.

In America, well yes, but Africa, especially Nigeria, NO.

* puts offering in tithe bag*

barack_o_handso: Nice sermon.

But I beg to differ sha oh: Practicalise atheism in Nigeria? That has impossible written all over it. Nigerians see these religious things two ways; You're either RELIGIOUS or EVIL. Write against any religious activity and you're an agent of the devil.

In America, well yes, but Africa, especially Nigeria, NO.

* puts offering in tithe bag*

*pockets the tithe*


This is why I said "play the politics".

Did you see how Django and his white friend went to slave plantations to get to release Django's wife? They didnt go guns blazing and announcing their intent.....they went as slave buyers.....undercover.


I appear religious but I undermine religion when undercover....


#Planting atheist dvds in near the church youth video room etc

There's something off with this narrative...

You didn't specify what made Seuns business to fail. I don't think any belief or lack thereof will make or mar any business except in cases where it is the religious connections that help or hinder(as the case may be) progress, as is the case with Nigeria.

Be that as it may, I think the strategy for now should be to get more people to question their beliefs, especially the youths. We need to gather more numbers so that in the next, say 20 years we will have enough sceptics and irreligious people that will be able to influence politics and governance; make nigeria a truly secular state in terms of its laws and operation. There is no hope for our current crop of leaders so our priority should be for the youths and younger generation...

The priority now should be education, proper all round education. The next generation should have the ability to think properly and make rational decisions irrespective of their (un)belief...

It will be a long walk, probably out living us all but wherever we are, we should at least make effort to dispel the notion that atheists are evil people who can do no good. As for me, my specific discipline and skill set have made me somewhat indispensable in the Nigerian public health sector irrespective of my unbelief. I've had 2 immediate bosses who know I'm irreligious and it had had no negative impact on our work relationship although I'm careful around co-workers and patients...

Be professional, have integrity and try not to compromise on your values and when people eventually find out that you don't go to church or mosque, it will come as a shock and your respect will double...

Mr Troll: There's something off with this narrative...

You didn't specify what made Seuns business to fail. I don't think any belief or lack thereof will make or mar any business except in cases where it is the religious connections that help or hinder(as the case may be) progress, as is the case with Nigeria.

Be that as it may, I think the strategy for now should be to get more people to question their beliefs, especially the youths. We need to gather more numbers so that in the next, say 20 years we will have enough sceptics and irreligious people that will be able to influence politics and governance; make nigeria a truly secular state in terms of its laws and operation. There is no hope for our current crop of leaders so our priority should be for the youths and younger generation...

The priority now should be education, proper all round education. The next generation should have the ability to think properly and make rational decisions irrespective of their (un)belief...

It will be a long walk, probably out living us all but wherever we are, we should at least make effort to dispel the notion that atheists are evil people who can do no good. As for me, my specific discipline and skill set have made me somewhat indispensable in the Nigerian public health sector irrespective of my unbelief. I've had 2 immediate bosses who know I'm irreligious and it had had no negative impact on our work relationship although I'm careful around co-workers and patients...

Be professional, have integrity and try not to compromise on your values and when people eventually find out that you don't go to church or mosque, it will come as a shock and your respect will double...

Seun's business didnt fail because of belief or disbelief

Mr Troll: There's something off with this narrative...

You didn't specify what made Seuns business to fail. I don't think any belief or lack thereof will make or mar any business except in cases where it is the religious connections that help or hinder(as the case may be) progress, as is the case with Nigeria.

Be that as it may, I think the strategy for now should be to get more people to question their beliefs, especially the youths. We need to gather more numbers so that in the next, say 20 years we will have enough sceptics and irreligious people that will be able to influence politics and governance; make nigeria a truly secular state in terms of its laws and operation. There is no hope for our current crop of leaders so our priority should be for the youths and younger generation...

The priority now should be education, proper all round education. The next generation should have the ability to think properly and make rational decisions irrespective of their (un)belief...

It will be a long walk, probably out living us all but wherever we are, we should at least make effort to dispel the notion that atheists are evil people who can do no good. As for me, my specific discipline and skill set have made me somewhat indispensable in the Nigerian public health sector irrespective of my unbelief. I've had 2 immediate bosses who know I'm irreligious and it had had no negative impact on our work relationship although I'm careful around co-workers and patients...

Be professional, have integrity and try not to compromise on your values and when people eventually find out that you don't go to church or mosque, it will come as a shock and your respect will double...

A belief or lack of it thereof will not change Nigeria.

infact removing religion will be like childsplay compared to serious issues like the quota-system and tribalism in Nigeria

GeneralShepherd:

A belief or lack of it thereof will not change Nigeria.

infact removing religion will be like childsplay compared to serious issues like the quota-system and tribalism in Nigeria

Tribalism would be less difficult. There is little backlash from speaking against tribalism. Furthermore, younger ones are less tribalistic these days.

GeneralShepherd:

A belief or lack of it thereof will not change Nigeria.

infact removing religion will be like childsplay compared to serious issues like the quota-system and tribalism in Nigeria

I'm not advocating for the abolishment of religion, just total separation from state.

That is one of the problems of Nigeria....

Mr Troll: I'm not advocating for the abolishment of religion, just total separation from state.

That is one of the problems of Nigeria....

Oh....now you know how it feels.

When you say that you want the religious situation in Nigeria to improve....some smartass heathen comes to say "removing all religion is wrong" as if that was what you said hat you wanted to do

Logicboy03:

Oh....now you know how it feels.

When you say that you want the religious situation in Nigeria to improve....some smartass heathen comes to say "removing all religion is wrong" as if that was what you said hat you wanted to do

Lol. Sometimes you wonder what they are scared of

Mr Troll:

Lol. Sometimes you wonder what they are scared of

I also wonder.


I want atheism to grow in Nigeria but not by force. I would love to have talk shows and debates. But still, there are some atheists that will claim that I want to remove all traces of religion like some Stalinist.

Debates only change the minds of those who are willing to learn. No amount of debate will stop Joagbaje from believing in in tithes or texting demons

Logicboy03:
No amount of debate will stop Joagbaje from believing in in tithes or texting demons

Logicboy03:


I also wonder.


I want atheism to grow in Nigeria but not by force. I would love to have talk shows and debates. But still, there are some atheists that will claim that I want to remove all traces of religion like some Stalinist.

Debates only change the minds of those who are willing to learn. No amount of debate will stop Joagbaje from believing in in tithes or texting demons

or Chibuebem aka Joshthefirst from using his own brain!

subscribing

Mr Troll: or Chibuebem aka Joshthefirst from using his own brain!

Or Olaadegbu posting christian falsehoods

Sorry I missed the latest sermon, I was at a 3 day revival at St. Mattress, where I spent almost the entire time in worship lying on my stomach, my side, and my back. Now I'm back and inspired to live the life according to our redeemer, the Holy Comforter.