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Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by drdams: 4:08pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
Lobatan!! Plz , it seems everytin in d bible is Allegory by virtue of ur sku of thought.. Ok,.. Wen d Donkey spoke to balam, wud u say it was allegorical also? obadiah777: oh yes Jesus feeding five thousand people with 5 loaves and 2 fish is an allegory. what is fish ? ( to fish for souls ) what is oil ? what is milk ? what is bread ? what is meat ? what is oil ? they all mean THE WORD. so when he fed five thousand people with 5 loaves and 2 fishes, its allegory speech for saying 'he preached the word to 5000 people' |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by EreluY(f): 4:11pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
I keep wondering when Nigerians would wake up to the reality that the Old Testament contains ancient Hebrew mythologies and Jewish folklore--something akin to Ancient Mesopotamia, Greek and African myths. Period! From Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton to Yale, this is the view largely held by theologians and experts in the scientific study of religions, explaining why the Bible is no longer taken in the developed world as the inerrant word of God. Sadly, Nigerian religious studies departments are flooded (albeit, not exclusively) with locally trained champions! Only a few has degrees from Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, etc. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 4:11pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
TinyPurpleBaby:well dayumm. this must be 'blame my nairaland addiction on obadiah day' smdh 2 Likes |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Reference(m): 4:12pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
obadiah777: i would tell you what the fish represents but to break it down seeing as the book of jonah is 4 chapters deep would require a herculean effort. but the fish represents the roman empire. You can infer anything out of the Word rightly or wrongly but the questions still stands. Did the content of these texts actually happen in life, time and space. The answer I believe is yes. If you told Pontius Pilate that you are communicating with a group of faceless people on social media with a handheld device in real time, he'd probably order your designer cross for heresy. The natural mind unable to handle things does nothing to negate their existence. 2 Likes |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Unluvable(f): 4:12pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
obadiah777: not with philfearon around, it wouldn't. he is a clown Not really familiar with monikers. Probably you pi.ss him off with your ideologies *i created a thread on this section once and no single comment Why evils 1 Like |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 4:17pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
dr dams: Lobatan!! Plz , it seems everytin in d bible is Allegory by virtue of ur sku of thought..oh not everything is allegory. the parts that are not allegory are purely historical. like from the book of exodus down to numbers deuteronomy leviticus kings chronicles samuel esther ezra. now these books are not allegorical. the ones full of allegories are the prophetic books like genesis daniel, job, jonah, revelation, zechariah, and then the gospels matthew mark luke john. so those 10 books are the purely allegorical and symbolic books 2 Likes |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 4:20pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
obadiah777: well dayumm. this must be 'blame my nairaland addiction on obadiah day' smdh Beccause everyday is 'Scoff at Obadiah day', we decided to create this day specially for you' 1 Like |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Reference(m): 4:25pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
A-town: Then write your version and let's see how easy it will be to add, subtract, modify, modernise or anything you desire and then get it accepted as the 'WORD'. Don't you think that with all the advancement in the arts and sciences the bible would have been swept aside and replaced by a socially correct epistle. The truth is that it is not possible. The Bible tells us how it was written, by whom and when. It is open, nothing hidden. It speaks about us not some alien on Pandora. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 4:26pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
Reference: [b]ahhh but you do err sire. allegory does not mean fiction. they did happen but the events are presented to you in a different manner. for example lets take a case study. biafra during the biafran war wanted to secede from nigeria because they felt they would do better by themselves, however during the war they got defeated and re-included back into the union. now how do i present this story allegorically ? john and james are brothers but however john felt overshadowed by the paternal dominance of james and john decided that he wanted to move out of the home they share together so he can be his own man and make his own decisions. he presented the situation to james and james said he was too young to move out and he was crazy for even thinking of something like that. so they got into a brutal fight and james beat john up and unpacked his bags which he had packed ready to move out. john had no choice but to stay and not leave now that is an allegorical presentation of nigeria, biafra and the civil war and the will to secede. now does john exist ? no. does james exist ? no. however is the story true ? yes. this is allegory not fiction. real story presented as something else[/b] 2 Likes |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 4:31pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
Unluvable*:yeah i seem to piss so many people off for no reason. sound to me like they were pissed off before they opened my thread though, they just needed an excuse to vent. a trigger really ? what was the thread called ? 1 Like |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:33pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
micoco: mehn....i pity u so much. Sounding so intelligent to urself, forming bad guy, kai! I pity u bro I pity you so much. Sounding dull and actually being ignorant. I pity you bro. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 4:34pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
TinyPurpleBaby:well dayumm. scripture do say in the last days there will be scoffers. end time tinz i tell ya 2 peter 3 vs 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 1 Like |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:34pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
philfearon: Have I stopped you from posting or anything? Why don't you allow those that don't believe in this God of yours be? I'm ignorant for questioning whether a man can live in a fish for three days? Please stop exposing your gullibility to the public. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:35pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
smart134: Then I'm sorry for such a God who didn't know the shape of the earth he created. I'm also sorry that he couldn't have done a better job. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:36pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
smart134: I pity you. You need skepticism in your life. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:36pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
tosnat: Do you understand? If you do, please explain how a man can live in a fish for three days. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:37pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
SIR KOL!: No I won't have believed it. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:43pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
Its alphaa: how big do u think the biggest fishes in the world are Not big enough for a man to live in them for three days. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:44pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
hayubee: A whale is a mammal and not a fish! Me thinks its a shark cos datz the biggest fish! Do you think an adult male can live in a shark for three days? |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 4:48pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
thehomer:jonah may have been a midget though ? like aki and pawpaw JK of course. story is purely allegorical 1 Like |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 4:52pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
obadiah777: well dayumm. scripture do say in the last days there will be scoffers. end time tinz i tell ya all these for the greater good. All this to show tht you are doing the lords work. So if I were you Id have a beer for every scoffer. |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by thehomer: 4:54pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
obadiah777: jonah may have been a midget though ? like aki and pawpaw Did the writers believe it was allegorical? If so, what did they think Jonah, the boat, the sea, Nineveh and the sailors represented? 1 Like |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 5:06pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
Reference: Here's where you are wrong. At the time, people didn't know better so they had to believe and accept whatever they were fed. What you see happening nowadays is that people are more enlightened and realize they have been lied to. Back in the days, people thought the earth was flat and they didn't know how a rainbow is formed that is why they believed the stories about rainbows being a sign not to destroy the earth with floods. Tell that to a 5year old now and he/she will open up google on android and slap your face. The truth is people believed it back then out of fear. A lot of the stories are similar to the myths we have even in Africa. The only difference is that ours in Africa have been debunked. According to your last statement, you state that with all the advancements in science, that the bible would have been swept aside. Well it already is. The only thing holding it together is people living in denial, fear, and holding some sort of faith. Don't get me wrong. I believe in God and I believe that is between me and my God. I do not need anyone or any book to tell me that I need to be a good person. God gave us brains for a reason. I believe if I am good to my fellow man, that is all it takes. Also, the reason the Bible gained so much widespread popularity is because of the "Caucasian" domination of the earth through travel conquests and colonization. Why is it that we as AFRICANS never knew of most the things preached in the bible until we were colonized and enslaved? |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by 2scorehigh(m): 5:17pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
*In James Hadley Chase voice* OP, believe this; you believe anything... |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 5:30pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
Mr Imam use ur real name and stop fooling around. Ur quran is notin but lies and crap! thehomer: |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by mcfynest(m): 5:39pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
THE STORY IS ALLEGORICAL....GOD AINT NO MAGIC MAN NOR A VOODOO MAN...... LETS STOP DEBATING THINGS THAT DONT NEED.... SEA= PEOPLE FISH[ ROMAN EMPIRE(GENTILE NATION) PUT 1+1 TOGETHER..... and i belief jonah aint a person....its a nation..... obadiah what do you think.... i am still a leaning at the master's feet though... |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 6:05pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
TinyPurpleBaby:lol i did yesterday. have a lil bit left for tonight 1 Like |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 6:09pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
thehomer:jonah is israel the sea is the world population nineveh is the gentiles the sailors are the leaders of the gentile nations 2 Likes |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by wiegraf: 6:10pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
~ZN~: You believe in god? If you do that, do you actually have a problem with my belief in santa? What are you smoking? |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by philfearon(m): 6:10pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
obadiah777: modify the quote. i modified my post slightlydidnt see anytin different! |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 6:10pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
mcfynest: THE STORY IS ALLEGORICAL....GOD AINT NO MAGIC MAN NOR A VOODOO MAN...... LETS STOP DEBATING THINGS THAT DONT NEED....you right chief. jonah is israel 1 Like |
Re: Jonah & the Great Fish: Real or Allegory / Parable? by Nobody: 6:12pm On Sep 29, 2013 |
philfearon:ahh nevermind. are you coming around to my way of seeing things ? |
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