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Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Nobody: 4:03pm On Oct 07, 2013
macof: says Ifa

u've got xom questnz to ansa
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 4:05pm On Oct 07, 2013
kizmartino:

u've got xom questnz to ansa


grin grin what questions?
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Nobody: 10:58pm On Oct 07, 2013
macof: grin grin what questions?

1st letz stat wit.....wht rili do u bliv nd practice
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 11:29pm On Oct 07, 2013
kizmartino:

1st letz stat wit.....wht rili do u bliv nd practice
I believe in the religion of my ancestors and hope to follow up from where the started and also being a true Yoruba African.

I won't say I practise anything, I just give thanx to God, and follow my consciousness
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Nobody: 12:06am On Oct 08, 2013
macof: I believe in the religion of my ancestors and hope to follow up from where the started and also being a true Yoruba African.

I won't say I practise anything, I just give thanx to God, and follow my consciousness


u rili gettin me confuse yer...are u traditionalist
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by splashybone(m): 2:56am On Oct 08, 2013
God a Trinity?
The Bible’s answer
Many Christian denominations teach that God is a
Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia
Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the
explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . .
The doctrine developed gradually over several
centuries and through many controversies.”
In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as
being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:
“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—
Deuteronomy 6:4 .
“You, whose name is Jehovah, you
alone are the Most High over all the
earth.”— Psalm 83:18 .
“This means everlasting life, their
taking in knowledge of you, the only
true God, and of the one whom you
sent forth, Jesus Christ.”— John 17:3 .
“God is only one.”— Galatians 3:20 .
Why do most Christian denominations say that
God is a Trinity?
MYTH: God Is a Trinity
What is the origin of the myth?
“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian
dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century
invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The
formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not
solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated
into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior
to the end of the 4th century.”— New Catholic
Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.
“The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 [C.E.].
Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the
discussions, and personally proposed . . . the
crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to
God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one
substance with the Father.’ . . . Overawed by the
emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only,
signed the creed, many of them much against their
inclination.”— Encyclopædia Britannica (1970),
Volume 6, page 386.
What does the Bible say?
“Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into
heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus
standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see
heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man
standing at the right hand of God.’”— Acts 7:55, 56 ,
The New Jerusalem Bible.
What did this vision reveal? Filled with God’s active
force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right
hand.” Clearly, then, Jesus did not become God
again after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a
distinct spiritual being. There is no mention of a
third person next to God in this account. Despite
attempts to find passages of Scripture to support
the Trinity dogma, Dominican priest Marie-Émile
Boismard wrote in his book À l’aube du
christianisme—La naissance des dogmes (At the
Dawn of Christianity—The Birth of Dogmas): “The
statement that there are three persons in the one
God . . . cannot be read anywhere in the New
Testament.”
The dogma that Constantine championed was
intended to put an end to dissensions within the
fourth-century Church. However, it actually raised
another issue: Was Mary, the woman who bore
Jesus, “the Mother of God”?
Compare these Bible verses: Matthew 26:39; John
14:28; 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28; Colossians
1:15, 16
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Nobody: 3:22am On Oct 08, 2013
splashybone: God a Trinity?
The Bible’s answer
Many Christian denominations teach that God is a
Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia
Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the
explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . .
The doctrine developed gradually over several
centuries and through many controversies.”
In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as
being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:
“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—
Deuteronomy 6:4 .
“You, whose name is Jehovah, you
alone are the Most High over all the
earth.”— Psalm 83:18 .
“This means everlasting life, their
taking in knowledge of you, the only
true God, and of the one whom you
sent forth, Jesus Christ.”— John 17:3 .
“God is only one.”— Galatians 3:20 .
Why do most Christian denominations say that
God is a Trinity?
MYTH: God Is a Trinity
What is the origin of the myth?
“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian
dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century
invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The
formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not
solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated
into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior
to the end of the 4th century.”— New Catholic
Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.
“The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 [C.E.].
Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the
discussions, and personally proposed . . . the
crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to
God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one
substance with the Father.’ . . . Overawed by the
emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only,
signed the creed, many of them much against their
inclination.”— Encyclopædia Britannica (1970),
Volume 6, page 386.
What does the Bible say?
“Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into
heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus
standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see
heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man
standing at the right hand of God.’”— Acts 7:55, 56 ,
The New Jerusalem Bible.
What did this vision reveal? Filled with God’s active
force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right
hand.” Clearly, then, Jesus did not become God
again after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a
distinct spiritual being. There is no mention of a
third person next to God in this account. Despite
attempts to find passages of Scripture to support
the Trinity dogma, Dominican priest Marie-Émile
Boismard wrote in his book À l’aube du
christianisme—La naissance des dogmes (At the
Dawn of Christianity—The Birth of Dogmas): “The
statement that there are three persons in the one
God . . . cannot be read anywhere in the New
Testament.”
The dogma that Constantine championed was
intended to put an end to dissensions within the
fourth-century Church. However, it actually raised
another issue: Was Mary, the woman who bore
Jesus, “the Mother of God”?
Compare these Bible verses: Matthew 26:39; John
14:28; 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28; Colossians
1:15, 16


hmmm...blessed are those who enlighten,they shall never get confuse..


Well done!!! But wht do u bliv nd y

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Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Yooguyz: 10:17am On Oct 08, 2013
splashybone: God a Trinity?
The Bible’s answer
Many Christian denominations teach that God is a
Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia
Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the
explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . .
The doctrine developed gradually over several
centuries and through many controversies.”
In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as
being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:
“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—
Deuteronomy 6:4 .
“You, whose name is Jehovah, you
alone are the Most High over all the
earth.”— Psalm 83:18 .
“This means everlasting life, their
taking in knowledge of you, the only
true God, and of the one whom you
sent forth, Jesus Christ.”— John 17:3 .
“God is only one.”— Galatians 3:20 .
Why do most Christian denominations say that
God is a Trinity?
MYTH: God Is a Trinity
What is the origin of the myth?
“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian
dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century
invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The
formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not
solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated
into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior
to the end of the 4th century.”— New Catholic
Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.
“The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 [C.E.].
Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the
discussions, and personally proposed . . . the
crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to
God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one
substance with the Father.’ . . . Overawed by the
emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only,
signed the creed, many of them much against their
inclination.”— Encyclopædia Britannica (1970),
Volume 6, page 386.
What does the Bible say?
“Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into
heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus
standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see
heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man
standing at the right hand of God.’”— Acts 7:55, 56 ,
The New Jerusalem Bible.
What did this vision reveal? Filled with God’s active
force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right
hand.” Clearly, then, Jesus did not become God
again after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a
distinct spiritual being. There is no mention of a
third person next to God in this account. Despite
attempts to find passages of Scripture to support
the Trinity dogma, Dominican priest Marie-Émile
Boismard wrote in his book À l’aube du
christianisme—La naissance des dogmes (At the
Dawn of Christianity—The Birth of Dogmas): “The
statement that there are three persons in the one
God . . . cannot be read anywhere in the New
Testament.”
The dogma that Constantine championed was
intended to put an end to dissensions within the
fourth-century Church. However, it actually raised
another issue: Was Mary, the woman who bore
Jesus, “the Mother of God”?
Compare these Bible verses: Matthew 26:39; John
14:28; 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28; Colossians
1:15, 16
source of article please?
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 10:38am On Oct 08, 2013
kizmartino:


u rili gettin me confuse yer...are u traditionalist
You can say that cheesy
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Nobody: 11:15am On Oct 08, 2013
@macof..

U jux have to practice somthing..thats ur gate pass to heaven.we are so muh close to end time for anyone to claim ignorace..**my own opinion**
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 11:18am On Oct 08, 2013
kizmartino: @macof..

U jux have to practice somthing..thats ur gate pass to heaven.we are so muh close to end time for anyone to claim ignorace..**my own opinion**
pls make me understand this post better
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by ajayikayod: 11:45am On Oct 08, 2013
macof:

God isn't visible, he doesn't have a singular and personified body. every thing is from God, everything makes up God. The earth, air, waters, the whole universe, and of course the spiritual realm(heaven) is made out of God's essence, he is the source of the energy which these things exist on. Everything is God.

Bros IF EVERYTIN IS god dt u talked about that means such god is a dog, god is a goat, god is a pencil, d sand we march on too, even ur hair is god.
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Nobody: 12:09pm On Oct 08, 2013
ajayikayod:

Bros IF EVERYTIN IS god dt u talked about that means such god is a dog, god is a goat, god is a pencil, d sand we march on too, even ur hair is god.

i dnt tink datz wht he meant...GOD's presence cn b felt in nature..everytin dat has life(my own view)

@macof..i meant ...u nid to practice somtin...cus its smhw lyk a pathway/gate to heaven
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 1:56pm On Oct 08, 2013
ajayikayod:

Bros IF EVERYTIN IS god dt u talked about that means such god is a dog, god is a goat, god is a pencil, d sand we march on too, even ur hair is god.
You really dont understand a thing undecided
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 1:57pm On Oct 08, 2013
kizmartino:

i dnt tink datz wht he meant...GOD's presence cn b felt in nature..everytin dat has life(my own view)

@macof..i meant ...u nid to practice somtin...cus its smhw lyk a pathway/gate to heaven
grin u sound as if u want me to create a religion
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by ajayikayod: 4:57pm On Oct 08, 2013
macof: You really dont understand a thing undecided

Rabbi, u dont need to abuse, we are discussing intelligently.
Pls answer wat i asked before

U said god is everytin. And i ask if d god u talked about is also a goat and can be a pencil too, or possibly d sand under ur feet.
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 5:30pm On Oct 08, 2013
ajayikayod:

Rabbi, u dont need to abuse, we are discussing intelligently.
Pls answer wat i asked before

U said god is everytin. And i ask if d god u talked about is also a goat and can be a pencil too, or possibly d sand under ur feet.

Before I answer ur questions. are u Jewish?
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by ajayikayod: 5:55pm On Oct 08, 2013
macof:
Before I answer ur questions. are u Jewish?
Nigerian
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 6:36pm On Oct 08, 2013
ajayikayod:
Nigerian
a Nigerian practising Judaism?
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by ajayikayod: 6:53pm On Oct 08, 2013
macof: a Nigerian practising Judaism?

I dont practise religion, i m a christian.
U still havent answered me.
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Nobody: 8:17pm On Oct 08, 2013
Sometimes too much knowledge hinders our progress...never take for granted d tins of God...

Any JW..cum ansa som questn jawe
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 8:36pm On Oct 08, 2013
ajayikayod:

I dont practise religion, i m a christian.
U still havent answered me.
ok then ur use of the word "Rabbi" can't make me take u seriously
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by ajayikayod: 4:28pm On Oct 09, 2013
macof: ok then ur use of the word "Rabbi" can't make me take u seriously

Well, u r the Rabbi (Master, Teacher) because u told me dt i kno nothing. So my Rabbi talk to me, Lets discuss on point.
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 5:34pm On Oct 09, 2013
ajayikayod:

Well, u r the Rabbi (Master, Teacher) because u told me dt i kno nothing. So my Rabbi talk to me, Lets discuss on point.
your username is AJAYI so I assume you are my brother being a Yoruba. And it wud make more sense to use Yoruba words instead of Hebrew words
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by ajayikayod: 9:41pm On Oct 09, 2013
macof: your username is AJAYI so I assume you are my brother being a Yoruba. And it wud make more sense to use Yoruba words instead of Hebrew words

Ok, sometin lik OLUKO AGBA. Actually God is not in everytin.
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 2:47pm On Oct 10, 2013
ajayikayod:

Ok, sometin lik OLUKO AGBA. Actually God is not in everytin.
God is the the very reason evrything and anything exist. his Energy is present in everything and even more is present in us Humans. You once asked if it applies to animals like dog, goat etc. and the answer is YES!. when our bodies were formed, God deposited more of his Energy into us making us come alive, our souls are part of Gods essence because they are directly from him.

Normally God shouldnt be attributed as a male or female by using "He" or "She" but for the purpose of Christians who have been taught about God as a male figure, I would continue.
God is pure and living Energy with consciousness, that is why everything in existence is formed from Him. It is more appropriate to state that He is the Ultimate form of Energy, where other energies are formed from.

Everything as Energy, and those Energies have a Source= God
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by khaleb(m): 3:16pm On Oct 10, 2013
They believe in armagedon? Who does that! Until I figure out what they are smoking, I will continue to...............I don't really know
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by Nobody: 6:43pm On Oct 10, 2013
khaleb: They believe in armagedon? Who does that! Until I figure out what they are smoking, I will continue to...............I don't really know

wht do u believe?
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by ajayikayod: 11:04pm On Oct 10, 2013
macof: God is the the very reason evrything and anything exist. his Energy is present in everything and even more is present in us Humans. You once asked if it applies to animals like dog, goat etc. and the answer is YES!. when our bodies were formed, God deposited more of his Energy into us making us come alive, our souls are part of Gods essence because they are directly from him.

Normally God shouldnt be attributed as a male or female by using "He" or "She" but for the purpose of Christians who have been taught about God as a male figure, I would continue.
God is pure and living Energy with consciousness, that is why everything in existence is formed from Him. It is more appropriate to state that He is the Ultimate form of Energy, where other energies are formed from.

Everything as Energy, and those Energies have a Source= God

If u ar a Christian, i need to let u kno dt all ds u wrote doesnt hav a place in d Word of God
If u r not, then first thing i need to let u kno is dt thr is a creator and a savior. We can pick from thr when u r clear on ds two.
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 9:13am On Oct 11, 2013
ajayikayod:

If u ar a Christian, i need to let u kno dt all ds u wrote doesnt hav a place in d Word of God
If u r not, then first thing i need to let u kno is dt thr is a creator and a savior. We can pick from thr when u r clear on ds two.
wat word of God? have u heard God talk that u say u know the word of God? word of Jewish men u call word of God. Am sorry for ur gullibility, u really need to advance past ur current level of intelligence.

Am aware of the creator, that's wat I explained in my last post, but that saviour u talk abt doesn't save anything. U can believe u would go to hell unless u worship ur Jewish master, u can believe the words of men are the words of God, U can believe only Jews know God. But don't preach nonsense and deviate people from intelligent reasoning
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by ajayikayod: 9:34am On Oct 11, 2013
macof: wat word of God? have u heard God talk that u say u know the word of God? word of Jewish men u call word of God. Am sorry for ur gullibility, u really need to advance past ur current level of intelligence.

Am aware of the creator, that's wat I explained in my last post, but that saviour u talk abt doesn't save anything. U can believe u would go to hell unless u worship ur Jewish master, u can believe the words of men are the words of God, U can believe only Jews know God. But don't preach nonsense and deviate people from intelligent reasoning

U see, such intelligence u claim is referred to vanity in d Word, the best of d knowledge of ds world is darkness, vanity and foolishness. I m not here to argue wit u on whether thr is God or Savior. I will rather strife 2get u saved in Christ wit every opportunity given to me by God than engage in unending fallacy/argument. Anytin i need to discuss outside ds wont benefit d unsaved.

See, ppl wit lik tot dt u portrayed ar fully identified in d scriptures even b4 we were born and d more i hear u, d more i see God's grace and power abounding to save u thru d Gospel of Christ. Definitely macof, u wont escape ds grace because b4 ur rejection and acquiring of knowledge, He has loved u. Ur struggling wit it or trying hard to prove it wrong cant nullify His desire for u - "To be saved and come to d knowlegde of His glory".
Re: Religious debate: Do you Shun Jw(s)&why? (2)what do you beleive&practice?. by macof(m): 12:00pm On Oct 11, 2013
ajayikayod:

U see, such intelligence u claim is referred to vanity in d Word, the best of d knowledge of ds world is darkness, vanity and foolishness. I m not here to argue wit u on whether thr is God or Savior. I will rather strife 2get u saved in Christ wit every opportunity given to me by God than engage in unending fallacy/argument. Anytin i need to discuss outside ds wont benefit d unsaved.

See, ppl wit lik tot dt u portrayed ar fully identified in d scriptures even b4 we were born and d more i hear u, d more i see God's grace and power abounding to save u thru d Gospel of Christ. Definitely macof, u wont escape ds grace because b4 ur rejection and acquiring of knowledge, He has loved u. Ur struggling wit it or trying hard to prove it wrong cant nullify His desire for u - "To be saved and come to d knowlegde of His glory".
Some questions for you. pls answer them as I know christians usually leave my questions unanswered
1. Who told you u needed a saviour, that u had to believe in a Jew before you can get to heaven?
2. What are you suppose to do to make heaven? just believe in jesus?
3. What did your ancestors say about heaven, and how to make it to heaven??
4. did your ancestors preach about any messiah?
5. Are your ancestors going to hell for not worshipping the Jew?
6. why did Jesus not go round the world preaching? since you claim he came for the world why did he not preach to the world, why only Jews?
7. why do u Believe Jesus in the first place? wats makes u so convinced that u cant get to heaven unless u worship him?
8. would people who dont worship the Jew go to hell?
9. Why is the bible about the Jews, why don't I see any righteous attributes allocated to the gentiles?
10. Why is it that God showed himself only to the Jews?
11. Why was it only Israel that was referred to as God's own nation? so Egypt and the rest were for Satan abi?

I think I should stop here, I really have a lot of questions to put forward but maybe as time goes on I would, but Christians should answer this questions

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