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Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Gbawe: 9:59am On Oct 06, 2013 |
I really don't understand Nigerians. What is worth discussing about a topic that is one of the worst demonstration of the excesses, sheer wickedness and inhumanity of Nigerian leaders in comparison to their peers worldwide? Talking about the PAF with anything but outright condemnation is truly perverse. http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17147:budget-2011-presidency-to-spend-n18bn-on-fleet&catid=76:hot-topic&Itemid=564 Budget 2011: Presidency to spend N18bn on fleet |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 11:31am On Oct 06, 2013 |
CFCfan: THE PRESIDENTIAL AIR FLEET UNDER SANI ABACHA I think there is some inconsistency here... The pilot was in Abacha's PAF detail and was arrested for coup plotting against IBB? How? IBB came before Abacha and Shehu Yar'adua was arrested during Abacha's tenure... Pls clarify 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Fkforyou(m): 11:37am On Oct 06, 2013 |
Thanks for the lecture OP....although I think our politicians are very wasteful. |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by BB013(m): 11:39am On Oct 06, 2013 |
I was hoping to see pics not comprehension that I'm reading.. wen will I finish reading this? |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by slimfit1(m): 11:43am On Oct 06, 2013 |
Symphony007: What a bloody waste. Who are you impressing abroad with all this nonesense when they a majority of your people are poor. Say alot about our disfuctional nation when our president owns a multitude of aircraft, meanwhile when tony blair wanted to buy a boeing for him and the queen to use for international travels, parliament struck it down saying they can't afford it. Wastefull nation! The person that wrote this rubbish must be a childish stupid |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 11:44am On Oct 06, 2013 |
Gbawe: I really don't understand Nigerians. What is worth discussing about a topic that is one of the worst demonstration of the excesses, sheer wickedness and inhumanity of Nigerian leaders in comparison to their peers worldwide? Talking about the PAF with anything but outright condemnation is truly perverse. I completely agree with you. This topic should be thrown in the bin and there's absolutely nothing to celebrate. The country has some of the worst airports in Africa, no national airliner, and the Nigerian airforce's inventory has to be one of the worst in Africa. Yet we're talking about the presidential air fleet when those who have ruled naija from independence are some of the worst of ever walk this planet. smh They need to sell all those darn planes and at least use the funds to buy 4th generation fighter jets for the Nigerian airforce, if aircrafts are the only things they care about, to be honest. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Reference(m): 11:51am On Oct 06, 2013 |
ballabriggs: You all can see how evil IBB threw professionalism to the winds and manipulated Nigerian Airways for his own selfish needs. Sadly it is the same issue plaguing most organisations in Nigeria. Leadership! If I tell you what this man did you will not believe it. He single handedly ruined the military. Some of its core institutions are permanently damaged and most of its core professionals he either murdered or sacrificed. Let's not even talk about Military Intelligence. He was very, very bad. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by slimfit1(m): 11:53am On Oct 06, 2013 |
Symphony007: What a bloody waste. Who are you impressing abroad with all this nonesense when they a majority of your people are poor. Say alot about our disfuctional nation when our president owns a multitude of aircraft, meanwhile when tony blair wanted to buy a boeing for him and the queen to use for international travels, parliament struck it down saying they can't afford it. Wastefull nation! The person that wrote this rubbish must be a childish stupid idiot can imagine how many hospitals the money to maintain these flights would have built and put drug. CComplete waste of research how about this guy researching on a proper life changing research. Now we know that we have 10 planes what should we do about it. |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by slimfit1(m): 11:57am On Oct 06, 2013 |
Symphony OO7 waste full nation clueless researcher imagine if this idiot had spend is time on a proper research we all care about. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 12:16pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Irrespective of what we think individually, the safety of the President of Nigeria is paramount, I suggest that the Presidential Fleet should always have the best of nextgen Aircraft fortified with missile defense system. I do not care who is President at any point in time, but Presidents work too hard and need the very best care that we can afford, loss of any President brings rounds of turmoil on uncertainties, and we do not want that. Do we ? 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 12:23pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
shymexx: Shymexx, I love you like a friend, but I am here to tell you the truth. People can only see what they want to see, if you chose not to see the good but the bad, you will always see the errors. Permit me to also add that people always see their realities in other people, events and places. What I mean is, a poor man sees poverty even when there is glaring wealth all over the place. Nigeria has progressed and we are witnessing monumental changes, cos we chose to see it. I believe you see so much evil and bad things about anything Nigeria because it is your reality. Some of us see challenges as opportunities for problem solving which means potential for cash. Rubbish Nigeria for all you can, you CAN NOT alter your Nigerian DNA. You are part of the mess for ever except you chose to work to improve instead of blaming the world for woes. Shymmex, is it that bad over there, why not come here and join me in business lets work for change instead of attacks and image smearing of your country. 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Symphony007: 12:25pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Billyonaire: Irrespective of what we think individually, the safety of the President of Nigeria is paramount, I suggest that the Presidential Fleet should always have the best of nextgen Aircraft fortified with missile defense system.the british prime minister and the president of nigeria, who needs more security? But the british prime minister has no plane. He hires british airway for he and his staff to travel. 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 12:28pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Symphony007: the british prime minister and the president of nigeria, who needs more security? But the british prime minister has no plane. He hires british airway for he and his staff to travel.The British Prime minister is not a paradigm of what should be. What makes you rationalize the use of Britain as a yardstick to measure Nigeria ? Use USA as a Yardstick, please give this comparison a break, because as far as I am concerned, our realities and destinies are different as a people. When you compare Nigeria to Britain, have you realized that you are comparing a father to a son ? What happened in 1914 ? Do you remember that Britain was here ruling us from 1900 and Amalgamated us in 1914 and went ahead to rule us until 1960 ? You are comparing a baby to his grandfather ? Give me a break this Sunday morning young man. As a matter of fact, a Nigerian President needs more Security than a British "Prime Minister". Should be comparing Nigerian President to the Queen. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 12:28pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Sheer waste of resources for vanity.... This is not the type of thread worth celebrating. |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by rodeo0070(m): 12:31pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Quite educating... |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 12:34pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
BabaAlabi: Are you saying that if I send one missile to the president's plane nothing will happen? yes, that's what we are saying... |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 12:42pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Billyonaire: Irrespective of what we think individually, the safety of the President of Nigeria is paramount, I suggest that the Presidential Fleet should always have the best of nextgen Aircraft fortified with missile defense system.Your foolishness is in a billion fold. So because the President needs safety billions of naira should be lavished all in the name of purchasing aircrafts. How many aircrafts can the President fly in in a particular time? Rubbish. As if the planes purchased for him are not enough, he has helicopters in different regions that he usually use to shuttle the regions. Some of these helicopters belong to the NAF, meant for the training of their staff. For example the one that crashed in Bayelsa State was one of such. 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Gbawe: 12:42pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
shymexx: ilugunboy: Sheer waste of resources for vanity.... This is a serious problem for Nigeria that many of us simply fail to acknowledge i.e the bastardized ethos that leads to the perverse celebration of what is wrong, retrogressive, inhuman, undesirably outdated and categorically rejected everywhere else. Very obvious that the evolution of Nigerian minds is needed to save Nigeria just as much as good leadership. When I read some things here, I have to wonder if Nigerians live in a perverse parallel Universe of lunacy, greed, criminality, fraud and evil. |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 12:43pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
B_B013: I was hoping to see pics not comprehension that I'm reading.. wen will I finish reading this? when you finish secondary school... 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 12:51pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Ola Johnson:I know that most of you on this forum are not educated beyond Primary 6. So it might be difficult to evoke civility during a discourse. As always, I want to educate you about debate. when discussing a topical issue. Focus on the thread and criticise constructively and not the personality. I hope you pass that education to your class. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by badmeat(m): 12:52pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Nice post!informative 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Mobsync(m): 1:02pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
And can we say same of the Nigerian Air force wing not under the presidential air fleet? Flying Chengu F-7's (which is already out of production in China) and Dornier/Dassault Alpha jets (which are glorified trainer jets?). Let the government upgrade the air force then we can talk business. |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 1:02pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Billyonaire: Brother, thanks for the message. Ok, let's just agree that Nigerian people are the source of their own misfortunes; the extreme poverty that they're reveling in; and the country has best infrastructures in the world. However, if the Nigerian president deserves one of the best air fleet in the world - don't you think the Nigerian air-force, that's in-charge of protecting the Nigerian airspace, also deserve the best? How about the airports? Regardless, I don't critique Nigeria just for the sake of it. However, I abhor incompetence, greediness, and anything that's fake and superficial. My Nigerian DNA will always be there and I won't trade it for anything in the world. I'm proud of my Nigerian roots - so proud that I've got it tatted on my shoulder. However, patriotism to me means: asking questions and wanting the best for Nigeria. And I believe if Nigeria must attain its full potentials - we must question our leaders and their methods. |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by rill: 1:03pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
#Cfcfan na ur topics make frontpage pass. Abeg which soap u dey use bath, abi u get shares for nairaland ni 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Symphony007: 1:07pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Billyonaire: The British Prime minister is not a paradigm of what should be. What makes you rationalize the use of Britain as a yardstick to measure Nigeria ?with all due respect sir, you just said nothing. The fact remains that a fleet of jets is the least of nigeria's problems. The country has serious problems and we need every penny to solve them. Is'nt the son suppose to learn from the father to better himself? Britain is miles richer than nigeria but it says it can't afford the frivolity of a plane for their head of state and head of government. If i should'nt compare nigeria with britain then tell me another country, that spends so much on trivial things while a majority of it's citizens suffer, should i compare nigeria with north korea, or zimbabwe? Call out wrong when you see the:. Not everything is defensible. 4 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 1:14pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Billyonaire: I know that most of you on this forum are not educated beyond Primary 6. So it might be difficult to evoke civility during a discourse.If taking sides with the President or wanting to be like 'Sincere' 9gerian is what you call constructive criticism then your case is a sorry one. |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Gbawe: 1:25pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Symphony007: with all due respect sir, you just said nothing. The fact remains that a fleet of jets is the least of nigeria's problems. The country has serious problems and we need every penny to solve them. Is'nt the son suppose to learn from the father to better himself? Britain is miles richer than nigeria but it says it can't afford the frivolity of a plane for their head of state and head of government. If i should'nt compare nigeria with britain then tell me another country, that spends so much on trivial things while a majority of it's citizens suffer, should i compare nigeria with north korea, or zimbabwe? Call out wrong when you see the:. Not everything is defensible. As simple as that. What is wrong with our President having one, or at most, two planes in his PAF? Are we uneducated not to appreciate the vast sum of money that will be available to plough elsewhere if our President is a responsible man ready to lead by example? There is no argument at all, whether flight frequency or volume of travellers, that justifies a PAF of even 2 planes let alone 10 for GEJ or any other Nigerian President. President Kufour of Ghana is considerably capitalist in leaning and I was privileged to see Ghana flush with cash, precipitation an acquisition and property boom, during his reign. Yet even he sold of one of the two Planes he inherited in the Ghana PAF to leave one !!!! We should call a spade a spade. Apart from the issue of the vast cost of the fleet, there is the monumental yearly maintenance cost which the NASS must approve as part of the Nigeria budget. This is unacceptable for a very poor nation that , as you stated, has serious problems she needs every kobo to tackle. What we see now is the result of hosting 'accidental' Presidents devoted to crude greed than to ideas. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 1:26pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Symphony007: with all due respect sir, you just said nothing. The fact remains that a fleet of jets is the least of nigeria's problems. The country has serious problems and we need every penny to solve them. Is'nt the son suppose to learn from the father to better himself? Britain is miles richer than nigeria but it says it can't afford the frivolity of a plane for their head of state and head of government. If i should'nt compare nigeria with britain then tell me another country, that spends so much on trivial things while a majority of it's citizens suffer, should i compare nigeria with north korea, or zimbabwe? Call out wrong when you see the:. Not everything is defensible.The purpose of this thread to my knowledge is expository, educative and historical. It is not to critique which President does what or not. No country is without a problem, and I want to add that no country will EVER be without a problem, even the world power has shutdown. The poor will always be amongst us and the poor will always blame the rich for their woes even though they spend greater of their times watching TV. The President deserves a robust and secure fleet, not because we enjoy spending but because we need to protect the head cos without the head the body is but a madman. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by manny4life(m): 1:37pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
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Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 1:40pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
Billyonaire: The purpose of this thread to my knowledge is expository, educative and historical. It is not to critique which President does what or not. I honestly don't think there's anything historical and educative about wasteful spending. And the only thing expository about it, is the fact that, Nigerian leaders - both past and present - are the scums of the earth. These people were selected and elected, either through the barrel of a gun or by elections, to serve the people - not themselves. So evidently if the people they are/were there to serve are in abject poverty, despite all the country's huge resources - then the head should know how to cut it coat according to its cloth. Yes, the poor would always blame the rich - however, in a situation where the rich is culpable, then justice must be served and served cold. 5 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Gbawe: 2:08pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
shymexx: Thank you. The question to ask is that will the availability of one of two planes, rather than 10 as is the case currently, means the President's ability to travel effectively will somehow be compromised? No !! Not at all !!! There is no difference between 1 and 10 plane if we are talking of the travel of the President and a few essential aides while all others fly commercially. The problem is that Nigerian Presidents will not give up the excesses o travelling with as many hangers on as possible while even sending a 'spare plane', as if Nigeria is an air taxi service, to pick up a President who had sold the sole one at her disposal for her people (see below). Those, and nothing to do with the real needs of the President, are the sort of vaingloriously callous excesses that necessitate a ten plan fleet literally bleeding Nigeria dry. Now imagine such waste everywhere else and you gleen the sad reality of Nigeria and why she needs an immaterialistic and personally austere reformer heading the centre. The reality we see today is underpinned by the 'throwback' greed and inconsideration of Nigerian Presidents, one after the other, that sees them unwilling to compromise minimally and usher in a progressive order the leaders of the other nations have declared as a 'new' and pro-people reality going forward. If malawi becomes a great nation tomorrow, with her average citizens far better off than their Nigerian peers, would you be surprised given the choice their current leader took and that our own president abides with? http://www.punchng.com/editorial/nigerian-jet-for-malawian-president/ Nigerian jet for Malawian President 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Presidential Air Fleet In Abuja by Nobody: 2:15pm On Oct 06, 2013 |
When I read the story and saw pictures of these fleet, I saw sheer waste and plunder. |
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