Bidam: Lol,no wonder you keep eating your tithe..see im big belle

EMILO2STAY: when has the storehouse which is used to store food turned into the church of christ, and pls let me know of this other point paul was referring to when he wrote romans 8.32. Malachi 3. Was not written to christians, read the whole of malachi so you can get a simple unstanding of the book. Study to show thyself approved. You sound so naive.

Omo-Awori:
@ Uche ernest


I believe a proper understanding of what a 'Storehouse' is will be very useful to everyone.
The origin of the 'Storehouse' in the Temple mentioned in Malachi 3:10 was not part of the original design of the Tabernacle or Temple; they were built during the time of nationwide revival under King Hezekiah to hold the tithes (food products, not money) that should have been coming in every year (2 Chronicles 31:4-11). We should be aware that before this period, the Israelites were not tithing as required under the tithing mandate given by God to support the Levitical tribe and the Priests. Hezekiah commanded his people to prepare 'rooms' in the house of the Lord to bring in all the surplus tithes.

In its original context, the book of Malachi was not written to all of Israel. It was directed at the tribe of Levi and particularly the Priestly clan.
The primary emphasis of Malachi is not the sin of the people in failing to tithe, but the sin if the Levities and Priests in dereliction of duties and misappropriation of the peoples' tithes and sacrificial offering. Malachi is basically an oracle of judgement, which was directed at the Levities and Priests but not the people of Israel. A thorough and deep study of the four chapters of Malachi is very essential in understanding this.

The Church is a spiritual people under grace, not the Law. The tithing mandate was for the natural people in a physical land under a theocratic government.

Uche ernest: always ask the holy spirit for understanding when u read the bible, cos with ur natural mind, u cn't grab it,(this is out of context).

Bidam: Lol,no wonder you keep eating your tithe..see im big belle

EMILO2STAY: all you need to understand the bible is a good working brain and a conscience.

Pastor Kun:

But the bible makes it clear in deut 14:22-26 that we should eat our tithes

EMILO2STAY: all you need to understand the bible is a good working brain and a conscience. Maybe the spirit that told you God needs money before he can bless you financialy is not a true spirit afteral, why dont you test the spirit by studying your bible more than you listen to your pastors.

Bidam: Oh! So you are now claiming to be a farmer abi? Shey you said it's only farmers that pay tithe.

Candour:

ROM 8:32
'He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?'

God bless you my brother. The above verse opened my eyes to the immeasurable love God has towards me and proved that I don't need to pay him to get my needs met. If I didnt pay my earthly parents to get their love, why should I pay God almighty the father of love? God demands I share my abundance with the needy, whether clergy or laymen, Christian or pagan. This is the giving that pleases him. Read Matt 25:35-40 to know more.

Getting this truth into my spirit helped obliterate the lie that things will be tight for me if I stopped succumbing to extortioners on the pulpit. Then it dawned on me that if they lied about this, then there might be other lies I've been told that needed to be corrected. So started my resolve to embark on intensive personal bible study. The rest as they say is history.

Christ didn't save me from the clutches of sin to now put me in bondage to my fellow men whose only qualification is their boldness and lack of conscience in twisting scriptures for financial gain.

God bless you as you continue to study his word.

Bidam: Nobody has said in this forum that you are to offer money to be saved.If they did..point it out.
May be you are like simon the socerer who thought he could offer a bribe to peter for the gift of th Holy Spirit.

Bidam:
We have already told you that tithe is not an obligation but a form of giving to God.Christians tithe by Faith and not because someone said they should do so.Thanks.

Bidam: God bless you for the slanders and lies against believers here.It goes to show you salvation is not authentic.Am done speaking with an unbeliever here.

Uche ernest: I dn't think that There is any church(true in-depth church) which do not engage in humanitarian services, all the rich churches in quote do help the needy with the tithes,ask questions, sometimes we need to get our facts right nt jst come and say stuffs u aren't sure abt.

EMILO2STAY: u should have written this to pastor chris when he said this; ''So you MUST give Him your tithes and your offerings, as God. Actually, you pay your tithe; you don’t
give it, as you would your
free-will offering. So your tithe is not a gift, because you don’t pay a gift.
Keep decieving urself.

truthislight:

How can a liar and a thief inherite God's kingdom ?

EMILO2STAY: actually i have nothing personal against you or the two other popular tithe supporters in this forum, but not just i, jesus said that liars like you and the rest of your likes are of your father the devil who started lying from the begining. It is not an insult call you a fraud, it is what you are, a liar and a deciever. You and the rest of the tithe proponent have been proven wrong over and over again, But instead of admitting the truth, you jump like a frog from malachi 3 to abraham giving a tenth of war spoils and now you have jumped into saying that tithe is a seed. When u sow ten percent you reap ten percent right?
Just know this, there are some people you just cant decieve. We are not all fools.

EMILO2STAY:

actually i have nothing personal against you or the two other popular tithe supporters in this forum,

but not just i, jesus said that liars like you and the rest of your likes are of your father the devil who started lying from the begining.

[size=16pt]It is not an insult (to) call you a fraud, it is what you are, a liar and a deciever.[/size]

You and the rest of the tithe proponent have been proven wrong over and over again, But instead of admitting the truth, you jump like a frog from malachi 3 to abraham giving a tenth of war spoils and now you have jumped into saying that tithe is a seed.

When u sow ten percent you reap ten percent right?

Just know this, there are some people you just cant decieve. We are not all fools.

Bidam: I thought it is your small shrines littered all over the place that you have inherited.You that you don't believe in the deity of Christ and hell. Why should you think..you are gonna be a part of that kingdom.?

Bidam: I thought it is your small shrines littered all over the place that you have inherited.You that you don't believe in the deity of Christ and hell. Why should you think..you are gonna be a part of that kingdom.?

truthislight:

Hehehehe, you are really struggling to find what to hold onto.

Liars will not inherit God's kingdom, why are you so unsettled by that biblical statement ?

Image123:

i understand that you're not subject to the word of God but can you try to be subject to the rules guiding the forum? That we disagree on a particular teaching or view does not call for insults. i'm not here to deceive anyone. i simply answer questions for clarifications and i often notice that such is achieved. The unfortunate thing is the average antitither pratice of engaging in CIRCULAR arguments, running from pillar to post, hole seeking, and resorting to mudslinging and unchristian behaviour.

Bidam: Lol.They ganged themselves as bands throwing tantrums and insult.Thus derailing and defeating the purpose of the thread.

Rules 2 and 3 are being broken with impunity with attacks on persons.May God have mercy on their souls jare.Best ignore folks who use fleshy emotions to argue in debates.

Demain_man:

With all the teachings I have learnt on this forum and many others like this, I have no doubt that I am not required to pay any money for salvation. IT IS FREE!!

Bidam: Nobody has said in this forum that you are to offer money to be saved.If they did..point it out..

Uche ernest: i mean, if u dn't want to pay, no jst worry urself... As for me i will pay.

Uche ernest: i mean, if u dn't want to pay, no jst worry urself... As for me i will pay.

Bidam: I am not holdin onto anything. I know whom i believe and i am fully persuaded about HIM.

I am telling the truth that you and your cohorts have already gotten the inheritance they deserve on earth.

So the soon coming kingdom is out of the question.Ok?

Image123:

The antitithers do not like this oh. They will hunt and haunt you to obey their law of thou shall not tithe. They hate that word like demons hate to hear Jesus.

Candour:

8. Don't post false information on Nairaland.

Your thesis on tithes is false so i'm trying to use Oyaks devotional to correct your erroneous postulations. I'm not spamming at all

He has a lot of members and apologists even on this forum. That means plenty people love and respect him. It doesn't mean i do. The same way millions of Germans loved and respected Hitler even though you probably regard him as a villain.

I'm just stating the obvious. I don't have to like him to say this truth.

With that devotional, Oyaks proved what i and others have been telling you for a long time. So you can imagine my joy when i saw he knows exactly what tithe is: a COMPULSORY practice in the LAW of Moses. It has nothing to do with Abraham and surely has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with a Christian saved by grace.

The widow gave freely. She wasn't following a law when she cast in all and that is the principle there.

That is the exact type we Christians are asked to follow by Christ and the Apostles. If only Ananias and Sapphira had known this, they wouldn't have tried to impress the apostles and get the immediate judgement they got. I have had cause to issue a draft for almost 3/4 of my monthly salary once to support a dire need in church. It was in mine power to do it or not to do.

God didn't stipulate it. It was of my own volition and that is what the bible means by 'every man as he purposed in his heart, so let him give.....'. A Christian shouldn't give to fulfill all righteousness. That is what Pharisees do. We should give as the need arises even if it takes all we have and that is what i live by.

If you live by the 10% threshold, my dear brother image, you have a lot to learn about Love for God and love for your neighbour. If you believe God truly owns all you have, you'll not be rating him or his righteous causes on a meager and miserly 10%.

You're right that freewill giving is commanded in the law of Moses. Christ and the apostles also asked us to give. The problem is that no percentage was stipulated. As i purpose in my heart and as the Lord has blessed me, so i give. read Matt 25:35-40, 1Cor 16:1-2; 2Cor 9:6-8; James 1:27 to get an idea of the kind of giving expected of a Christian. It has nothing to do with the law of Moses.

You can see the bolded. This is talking about a vow you made freely. It has no resemblance to what you drop into the collection bag.

Omo-Awori:
@ Image 123

Be very aware nobody is making a mockery, we all need to have a solid based foundation and understanding about our christian faith.

What are the tithing principles? i do not know if the jews are still paying tithes, do you?

The Jews do not tithe today because they're fully aware that tithing in this present time is against the 'biblical law'. Reason being that there are no Levites, Priests or even a Temple to worship in Jerusalem. The Temple was destroyed around AD70 by the Romans, burnt down completely with all tribal records which held details of who are Levites or priests.

i do not know. If you know, kindly share using the criteria you stated in the last line.

The only people in the old testament that are commanded to tithe were those who inherited the promised land with everything on it, mainly the men. They got the land, animals, crops, houses etc. All these are free, no mortgage payment or rent are paid for these lands. These people were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who weren't allowed to inherit the promised land, but were instead given the priviledge of inheriting the tithes. So because women, slaves (servants), gentiles are not allowed to owned landed properties, hence they are not required to tithe. Furthermore, no one else tithed, wage earners did not tithe.
- It will be interesting to note that Jesus didn't tithe as a carpenter, a trade he learnt from his earthly father - Joseph.
- Paul did not tithe as a tent maker, likewise Peter did not tithe as a fisherman, only people who farm the land are required to tithe.
- The Jews/Rabbis asserted the dignity of manual labour, all Rabbis had to have a secular job because it was considered 'sinful' to recieve money for teaching God's truth (can this be said about our present pay Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists etc) who have arrogated themselves to be the all-in-all in the teaching of God's truth.
- Levites which have been twisted to mean Pastors is wrong teaching, biblically, Levites is a tribe in Israel, one of Jacob's 12 sons. So tithing was strictly a Jewish Mandate.

There are many teachings, the question cannot be asked generally. People teach on everything almost, in different ways. Holy Spirit, heaven, Righteousness, Tithe, Baptism, Worship, Deliverance, Prayer etc. There are different teachings by different people. What we need is what the Bible says, not what people say. Let God be true and every man a liar.

Well the question asked was this: (In our present dispensation, are we being taught the right way to tithe, as according to the bible in the old testament, there are 'three types' of tithes).

There have been differs teaching on tithing, but are we been taught correctly in our churches today or are we just following our pastors' doctrines on this subject. I believe we have not been taught that there are 'three types' of tithing, unfortunately these are not explained to us as Malachi 3:8-10 has been the most quoted verse in the bible.

3 types of tithes:
The 1st tithe - Leviticus 27:30-33, defines tithe as a tenth of crops and animals in herds and flocks.
Numbers 18, gives the ordinances or instructions for the tithe and commands this tithe to be taken to the Levites.
The purpose of this type of tithe is to support the Levital Priesthood.

The 2nd tithe - Deuteronomy 14:22-27, (the festival tithe) - a tenth of crops, plus add to the firstborn animals and take for the yearly feast.
The purpose of this tithe is to learn to fear the Lord God always.

The 3rd tithe - Deuteronomy 14:28-29 (also known as the three-year tithe or the 'poor tithe') - a tenth of crops kept at homes to be given to the Levites, widows, orphans and strangers to eat. The purpose of this tithe is to feed the poor.
We should also be aware that there is a 'seven-year sabbath', when the landed Israelites do not tithe as the lands are left to fallow. Has any of our churches given us a free time or sabbath not to pay tithes?

Tithing is an OT Mandate, this was a requirement of the law which all Israelites were to give 10% of everything that comes from the land to the Tabernacle / Temple. In fact, the OT law required multiple tithes which would have pushed the total to around 23.3% not the 10% which is generally required or considered the tithe amount today. Tithing can be understood as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the Levites and the Priests in the sacrificial system.
Christians are not required to give a set percentage of our income regardless of how it is required. Our giving should be generous, with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ.
2 Corinthians 9:7 - each man should give what he has decided in his heart, not relunctantly, or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. This is one of the key principles in spiritual giving. Spiritual giving must be voluntary and with the proper motive. Because of God's basic nature, which is grace, we should also give, by doing so we reflect the family characteristics of God.

christemmbassey: Bidam, u never cease to amaze me, u whey dey pursue ppl wages n salaries to buy jets n d man who refuses to join d scamboree, who is looking for earthly inheritance? Bros, u've proved, time without number, dat, u know, d truth about this fraud, but u lack d grace to let it go, eg u said tithe is not obligatory, this has shown dat bc u are a beneficiary of this fraud, u av refused to preach d truth u know, what is d dif between u and naija police/politician. Bidam u are commiting sin o, Jm4:17. THEREFOR TO HIM THAT KNOWETH TO DO GOOD BUT DOEDH IT NOT, TO HIM IT IS SIN, (KJV) Bidam, repent o.