by Coco diva: 11:33am On Jan 01
I quite understand the arguements better now. To the "debators" could you please shed light on Quran 16: Vs 44
There are several verses in the Qur'an that are similar to it,but let's start from here.
@cloudstar raised an issue as well,where was 5 daily mentioned as per salat in the Qur'an. And I'l like to add, where are the instructions concerning the postures and what to recite in the different postures of salat mentioned as well?
I wouldn't want to use hadiths , since you don't believe in the books of hadiths.

Chapter 16. An-Nahl Verse 41 - 50 (of 128) Section 6 of 16
[16:41] As for those who have forsaken their homes for the sake of Allah after enduring persecution, We shall certainly grant them a good abode in this world; and surely the reward of the Hereafter is much greater. If they could but know (what an excellent end awaits) [16:42] those who remain steadfast and put their trust in their Lord. [16:43] (O Muhammad), whenever We raised any Messengers before you, they were no other than human beings; (except that) to them We sent revelation. So ask those who possess knowledge if you do not know. [16:44] We raised the Messengers earlier with Clear Signs and Divine Books, and We have now sent down this Reminder upon you that you may elucidate to people the teaching that has been sent down for them, and that the people may themselves reflect. [16:45] Do those who have been devising evil plans (against the mission of the Messenger) feel secure that Allah will not cause the earth to swallow them up or that chastisement will not come upon them from a direction that they will not even be able to imagine; [16:46] or that He will not suddenly seize them while they are going about to and fro and they will be unable to frustrate His design, [16:47] or that He will not seize them when they are apprehensive of the impending calamity? Surely your Lord is Most Compassionate, Most Merciful. [16:48] Do the people not see how the objects Allah has created cast their shadows right and left, prostrating themselves in utter submission to Allah? [16:49] All living creatures and all angels in the heavens and on the earth are in prostration before Allah; and never do they behave in arrogant defiance. [16:50] They hold their Lord, Who is above them, in fear, and do as they are bidden.

by true2god: 8:23pm
I enjoy this debate. I can see some people trying to deny the killing of apostates in muslim countries, but this is a normal occurrence. It is a treasonable offense to leave islam in most islamic countries.

Radical muslims will justify and accept the fact, moderate muslims (who see it naturally wrong) will try to deny the practice.

RoyPCain: @true2god; 'muslim countries' is not "Islam [Quran and Sunnah/Hadith]". the reason there is action considered as a sin is when muslim does something unIslamic.

RoyPCain: @true2god; be true to yourself, first. if your christianity is not considered to be fake the vatican that practices celibacy which is not recommended, to the uk that gave you kj bible, to the germans of martin luther, to the amerians that are beating the down the doors of us all, the infidels because we are not christians, how can you know about my islam when Allah is the Only One Who knows? His Prophet [SA] had the honor of being the one in his prophetic office what started with Adam[AS], all the way passing through Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus [AS] was completed and other ways are emphatically rejected.

i do not subscribe to saudi arabia though Makka and Madina are important to me, dont subscribe to iran, afghanistan, pakistan, you name it. not even the yoruba that its water was the first on my lips, and the blood of its people flows in my veins.


islam is built on 5. none f it is saudi arabia, iran, afghanistan, pakistan or yoruba. what is Islam is clear.

by true2god: 2:01pm

RoyPCain: @true2god; be true to yourself, first. if your christianity is not considered to be fake the vatican that practices celibacy which is not recommended, to the uk that gave you kj bible, to the germans of martin luther, to the amerians that are beating the down the doors of us all, the infidels because we are not christians, how can you know about my islam when Allah is the Only One Who knows? His Prophet [SA] had the honor of being the one in his prophetic office what started with Adam[AS], all the way passing through Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus [AS] was completed and other ways are emphatically rejected.

i do not subscribe to saudi arabia though Makka and Madina are important to me, dont subscribe to iran, afghanistan, pakistan, you name it. not even the yoruba that its water was the first on my lips, and the blood of its people flows in my veins.


islam is built on 5. none of it is saudi arabia, iran, afghanistan, pakistan or yoruba. what is Islam is clear.

Anytime you guys have difficulty in argument possed before you the next thing is to attack christians

Is that wat ur Imams tell u guys to do? I mentioned core Islamic countries where leaving islam is considered a treason the next is for you to start mention the vatican, uk, the germans etc. Death to apostastes is a part and parcel of islamic teachings, any cultural muslim that leaves islam is to be killed.

If you are a yoruba muslim i do not expect you to believe or accept this weird practice cos it is strange to yoruba culture but not strange to the arabs, the custodian of islamic culture and religion. Note that these countries i mentiond practice sharia law to the extreme (their ullamahs understand the quran\hadith than you).

RoyPCain: @true2god; show me where i attacked christianity in what i wrote, otherwise, you do not know the real definition of 'attack'.




core Islam simply follow Quran and Sunnah, their own make up ideology. today we do not have kalifah anywhere which shows that your core Islamic country label is not core Islamic country to this muslim. ask any muslim if core Islamic country should have anything other than what Islam recommends/what Muhammad [SA] presented from his Lord and why are core Islamic countries; Iran and Saudi Arabia, are completely different in Islamic process or did the prophet [SA] bring but 1 Islamic process if each is truly core islamic country?




i personally know many arabic scholars and none of them have complained about my Islam. i have spoken to arabs, today and i will still do so after jumu'ah prayers. so, Islam is not by ethnicity. Muhammad [SA] came for the arabs and non arabs which is why he is the prophet for all [Al Ajami].

none of these countries truly practice sharia and there are blacks who can school arabs when it comes to Islam. hope you know there is a nigerian block teaching in University of Madina?

Rilwayne001:

Sharaapp...dont try to twist things to your own satisfaction....Stooopid Kafir

If you dont have anything to say, just beat it

true2god: You dont have a point and could you tell me what i am twisting? I gave you countries where leaving Islam is considered a treason and what i expected you to do is to refute the allegations with facts. In those countries there is no separation of religion from the state. A child born in saudi arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc is automatically a muslim and if the child grows up and decide to switch religion he is going against the state. That action is considered treason and punishable by death. So hw am i twisting.

true2god:
Go through the quranic verses and the hadith i gave you, you will understand why saudi arabia and the rest made apostasy law. You dont need to deny the obvios. If you are a muslim living in Lagos, Nigeria you dont have problem converting to christianity, but it is suicidal for a muslim living in saudi arabia to do same.

true2god:
Aside from changing religion, it a death penalty if i should 'insult' mohammed (even if he did what i insulted him for) in a muslim country.

Yes even Jesus would not tolerate blasphemy. and the bible recommends execution for blasphemy, we muslims cannnot condition ourselves to like blasphemy.

vedaxcool:


Yes even Jesus would not tolerate blasphemy. and the bible recommends execution for blasphemy, we muslims cannnot condition ourselves to like blasphemy.

vedaxcool:

Usually the message is lost . . .

vedaxcool:

Usually the message is lost . . .

vedaxcool: obviously there is a communication gap, despite showing u the context of my statement, u insist on being what gronzyware labels u. I leave u with the words if your brother,

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