babatgtr: Pls nd pls I wnt to beg every1 here nt to abuse a servant of God,wether wat he did is right or wrong jst leav him wif God, pls in other nt to face d̶̲̥̅̊ God's anger. Thanks

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All have sinned (including Mary, Okotie, Adeboye, Abraham, Isaac Jacob, Adam, You ..... Myself!
- Bible (the Greatest authority in Heavens and Earth). Puncture this Truth, and you puncture your space in Heaven!
On Praying to/Worshipping Mary

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God..."

(Exodus 20:4-5)

We are forbidden from praying or even bowing to any type of image or statue. The Catholic religion centers around breaking God's commands, especially the 2nd commandment not to bow to an image (Mother Mary). It is a sin to bow to an image of Mary, whether you pray to her or not.

Notice that the Bible forbids us to even "bow" to a graven image. All of the Catholic people who keep defending themselves by saying that they don't really pray to Mary need to read the Bible better. It's an abomination unto God for anyone to even BOW before a statue or painting and pray. We are not to bow to ANY image. If you bow down in front of a statue of Mary, you are committing wickedness. It is as simple as that!

clefstone: don't rily undastnd d final part of this ur comment but i'l try nd reply u. First of all, wen Mary got wind of d wine situation, she immediately went to her son, Jesus. His reply was, 'woman, dont u know my time has not yet come? She ignored his response nd commanded d servants to do whatever Jesus tells them. This tells 2 important tins, 1. Mary knew Jesus could do sometin about the situation(unshaken belief in Christ). 2. She knew Jesus would not deny what she requested even if it means rearrangement of d divine plot as his time had not come.
Whether u lyk it or not, Mary is not ordinary. Do you ever imagine a woman pregnant with God. Thats what Mary was. Though she was born ordinary, by God's grace and by her co-operation with God, she was made the mother of God. She deserves all the reverence afterall she said it herself that all generation shall call her blessed

free radical: And you think a vessel smeared with sin can house our all holy God> Or you dnt tink Jesus is God.

dejilg:

Again u let ur assumptions play right? Show us proof in d Bible where it is stated that "Mary isn't Ordinary"........what of Elijah? Enoch? according to ur standards too, are they ordinary? Why haven't u been honouring dem? I hv pointed so many times on this thread dat Jesus ddnt even consider Mary as important as David, so hv u been honouring David too?

clefstone: Catholics don't honour Mary alone but ALL the holy people who hv gone before us. Do u know that the Feast of Ss Peter and Paul is a Catholic holiday for example, if u attend Catholic school any whr in d world that day is a school free day. The above people u just mentioned; David, Elijah nd Elisha, r worth reverence but i'm telling you that they would rather be Mary if given d option. Who wouldn't? Remember tht Moses begged to see God. Compare tht with the woman who bore him, cared for him, lived with him and remained with him until his final hour.
As for whether she was ordinary, yes she was born an ordinary Jewish girl like millions before her nd after her. But wen the immaculate conception occured, she became the Mother of God. Now do u call that person ordinary?
As for assumptions, i wud lyk u to point out whr i hv assumed anytin here.

dejilg:

Again u have told us abt what u want the so called people to feel and not actually what they feel and who dey are. I have showed u dat even according to Jesus, David had a more special place than Mary, Jesus made no reference to Mary after His resurrection and even did less during His lifetime on earthly ministry! Yet u come wit these ur false allusion of David, and Elijah optin to be Mary bla bla! Now how many of these other that have "gone before us" do u have a prayer to and statues for in every Catholic church just like that of Mary?

dejilg:

seems dis ppl dnt knw why Jesus had no earthly
Father and Mary has earthly father, a very good
distinction here! Jesus was sinless cos He isn't d
product of the normal procreation of man! but He
had to have a body and be born of a woman
because He has to partake of our humanity, and
be unda d law dat condemns us to d flesh inorder
to free us from the curse. Mary on d other hand
was a sinner like u and I (not in d sense of
committing sin) and d reason for being a virgin at
d conception of Jesus only meant it is a sign for
Israel and nothing more special about it...and Mary being a Virgin is a sign!

And am amazed that u ddnt know that its cos of Jesus' mortality in human flesh that He was being able to be crucified. Had Mary being anythin special as u suggest, Jesus wdnt have been able to be crucified, He wud have been like Adam before he ate of the tree of good and evil...Jesus had to have a mortal body, hence the purpose of Mary. This is as opposed to ur erroneous thinkin of a "holy special" Mary able to contain God...perhaps u ddnt know dat Jesus emptied Himself by eclipsing His Glory, so as to fit in dis world. Read the Carmeni Christi Phillipians 2:6-7.

Jesus after resurrecting now has an immortal human body i.e A Glorifed Human (Jesus remained a with His human body after resurrection)...this is the perfection of the Human nature that Adam lost!

So cast aside ur silly theories all in d effort of supporting catholicism, and study ur Bible!

Goodluck to u

free radical: You are funny guy. So in essence you are saying that Jesus Christ was not God when he came into this world. Well the catholic church teaches otherwise that he was true God and true man. Read the entire gospel together and you will see there are times where he spoke as God and other times he spoke as man. I think say na una protestants na e read bible how come una no see all this ones. Abi una eyes dey see only wetin una want make e see. Even me wey dey read only missal i sabi say scripturally you cannot separate the divinity fo Christ from his Humanity .

Then about the crap u spewed that mary is just ordinary i will also refer you to go backand read your bible again. Read the book of genesis chapter 3 and tell me who you think is 'the woman' whose offspring will crush the head of the serpent?

Annaka: u lyk askin dumb questions o,if u want 2 learn abt d church join them

dhensity:

lol see another confused person, honour to Mary, Glory to Jesus..smh, where in d bible was Mary said 2 be honoured..in d long run u stil worshiping her...

i knw my bible was explicit about it...about making any image with the likeness of things on heaven nd on earth!!! pls open ur eyes ok

dejilg:

It seems u haven't gone through the thread well to see how dis ur "mother myth" falls apart! If u honour mary cos she is Jesus' Mother, den why don't u also honour David??

David is being regarded as "the Highest of the kings of the Earth" and Jesus Himself says (in His Glory) "I am the root and the OFFSPRING of David" --- seems David is more important here! So why dnt u "respect and honour David too"?

alextayo:

I hope I will be the one to cure you of your terminal disease called ignorance and sheer denial of the role of Mary in your life.

Read Luke 1: 46 - 55 and ponder on the commentary below. If after all these, you are not cured, then you need a trip to the world beyond for total cure.

Mary is exemplary of the humble, faithful disciple. That a woman provides such an example is significant, since first-century culture often relegated women to a secondary status. Such examples exist in the Old Testament as well (Miriam in Ex 15:21; Hannah in 1 Sam 2:1-10; Deborah in Judge 5). One of the beauties of Luke's gospel about infancy of Jesus is that different sorts of people all experience joy at the arrival of Jesus. This reveals Jesus' universal appeal. Praise for God's Word to Mary (1:46-49)

Despite her humble position, she will be honored by all generations. Here is the reason for both her honor and her praise--God the Almighty has done great things on her behalf. Generations will see her as an example of a simple human touched by divine power and presence. But it is God who is unique, as her declaration of his holiness makes clear. He is the one "set apart" who is worthy of praise. For her, his name is wonderful because his character is true. Praise for God's Acts to All (1:50-53)

dejilg:

Well sorry if ur "antidote" made up for pure lies and fantasy doesn't cure my supposed ignorance! Seems u lost ur glasses on d question! Perhaps u shld answer the question. Again stop with these shameful exergesis of the Bible, why dnt u tell us about Deborah?.....and why Jesus never mentioned anythin abt honouring Mary at all either in d Gospel or through out the New Testament? Again why dnt u honour David as u honour Mary? Cos Jesus said in His own words that "I am the root and OFFSPRING of David"...I wonder why Jesus said dis! And in the OT, God says of David, that He will make Him the Highest of the Kings of the earth!!! Why dnt u honour David?

alextayo:

All you have been doing is just blatant denial of facts. So you even denied the Gospel all because you have serious hatred issues with the Catholic church. It is ridiculous that you could call a portion of the bible lies and fantasy (Luke 1: 46-55) and that shows how desperate you are to show your hatred towards the church. Even Prophet Isaiah in the coming of the Immanuel (Isaiah 7:13-14) prophesied: …Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

Do you think Isaiah was referring to Deborah or probably the wife of your village Head. This is the only antidote I have for you.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free........otherwise your case will be like that of a little child who is restless all his life just because he wants to put all the waters of the ocean into a hole he dug on the beach.....

alextayo:

All you have been doing is just blatant denial of facts. So you even denied the Gospel all because you have serious hatred issues with the Catholic church. It is ridiculous that you could call a portion of the bible lies and fantasy (Luke 1: 46-55) and that shows how desperate you are to show your hatred towards the church. Even Prophet Isaiah in the coming of the Immanuel (Isaiah 7:13-14) prophesied: …Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

Do you think Isaiah was referring to Deborah or probably the wife of your village Head. This is the only antidote I have for you.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free........otherwise your case will be like that of a little child who is restless all his life just because he wants to put all the waters of the ocean into a hole he dug on the beach.....

Annaka: my dear dont answer him again,i wonder which prosperity church he attends

dejilg:

Again u have told us abt what u want the so called people to feel and not actually what they feel and who dey are. I have showed u dat even according to Jesus, David had a more special place than Mary, Jesus made no reference to Mary after His resurrection and even did less during His lifetime on earthly ministry! Yet u come wit these ur false allusion of David, and Elijah optin to be Mary bla bla! Now how many of these other that have "gone before us" do u have a prayer to and statues for in every Catholic church just like that of Mary?

dejilg:

See desperation! Now quote to us all dose verse u been throwing out and show us Mary in it and how d verses say we shld "honour" her! Show it to us! Seems u can't read, u talked about women been ridiculed or such in d OT...u mentioned some examples and den u try to make Mary an exception, but I mentioned Deborah and den u start frettin! U have no cure but talk rubbish just to defend ur man made doctrines that only lead to hell! The devil has cunningly deceived u through catholicism...show us where it is commanded to honour Mary na!

U mentioned the coming of "Immanuel".....what did God talked abt the Virgin birth? "Its a sign"......God ddnt say anythin abt it but just a sign of prophecy! also I explained dat Mary isn't conceived immaculately, she had parent who are sinners just like she was. Mary is a product of sexual procreation, Jesus isn't. That's why Jesus' nature is quite different from Mary's. Mary's is sinful nature, Jesus is Pure n Divine. What lies do u catholics wanna come up with again?

Again u seem to have a partial blindness.....I asked u why u dnt honour David, since Jesus Himself considers David even much more important that Mary!

clefstone: The Gospel is basically a biography of Jesus' earthly life so i don't undastnd y u expect Mary to be referenced more often than she was even though she is most likely the source of a lot of information found in it. To enlighten u, we hv prayers to all d Saints, including our own Blessed Tansi and statues of all of them too. Do u even know that mary said in d bible, ''ALL generation shall call me blessed''?

clefstone: See who is looking for Bible proof writing contra-biblical fact. Where is it written tht Jesus considered David as greater than Mary?

dejilg: Catholics and lies!

dejilg:

I have not type "David is greater than Mary" nor anythin of such. Importance doesn't mean greatness...I only said u shld read the Bible and show me where Jesus said Mary is His mother, but instead Jesus refers to the fact that He is David's Son... Hence David is more important as to Jesus' Ministry and Mission compared to Mary....even after Jesus' resurrection and revelation in Glory, He still made no mention of Mary but David...so am not d one who is doin conta-biblical facts. Its u and I hope u wake up from ur slumber. So u can stop following d man made doctrine of catholicism which sees itself higher than the authority of the Bible

dejilg:

So u do have prayer to all saints? Why dnt u type out the one for David? And if the Gospel are the biographies of Jesus Christ, y den r u using it to try prove ur Marian doctrine? And wen I asked y u dnt do d same for David, u simply ignore, even when this biographies makes David as much more important as compared to Mary

Yes I knw Mary said dat, and its in dese "biographies"... so what has dat got to do with the issue of catholics honouring/worshipping Mary? Have protestants been calling her "cursed"?

dejilg:

So u do have prayer to all saints? Why dnt u type out the one for David? And if the Gospel are the biographies of Jesus Christ, y den r u using it to try prove ur Marian doctrine? And wen I asked y u dnt do d same for David, u simply ignore, even when this biographies makes David as much more important as compared to Mary

Yes I knw Mary said dat, and its in dese "biographies"... so what has dat got to do with the issue of catholics honouring/worshipping Mary? Have protestants been calling her "cursed"?