twosquare: Either Ooni or Alaafin of Oyo...None is superior to the other and we all must understand this....these kings needs to put sentiments aside and do away with their differences

mikeapollo:

Please, keep quiet if you dont lnow Yoruba history.. The Ooni is far far ahead of Alaafin. Hostorically and culturally, several Yoruba tradtional rulers were originally far senior and ahead of Alaafin.

Alaafin was only given more prominence and relevance by the British colonial masters because Oyo had the strongest military might among the Yoruba at the tme coupled with well organised administration....

Oyo Kingdom was established by Oranmiyan, who left Ife to Benin, and later to Oyo. Even after he died....Oranmiyan's corpse was returned to Ife for burial and his mystical staff(Opa Oranmiyan) still stands in Ife till date.

Alaafin's re;evance is a creation of politics....Ooni is the spiritual leader and numero-uno among the Yoruba Obas.

Fazhy:
Is that how to address a King?

macof:

Be careful wat u read from Samuel Johnson...the man was just a British pup

mikeapollo:

Who made Ife a colony of Oyo? Where did you get your history? Ooni of Ife had never paid homage to any king in Yorubaland. IMPOSSIBLE!
How can Oranmiyan, the youngest of Odudduwa's children establish Oyo to be superior to Ife. Does that make sense to you?
Before Oyo was established, there had been other Yoruba kings and kindoms. It is not as if Oyo came immediately after Ife. Oyo was established much much later.
And if Oranmiyan's body was buried at Ife when he died.....what does that tell you?
Ooni of Ife is the undisputed numero-uno, the historical, spiritual and cultural head of the Yoruba....Alaafin became recognised by the British because of the military strenght of Oyo.At a time in ancient histroy, a new Alaafin was crowned by the Ooni.

If every kingdom in Yorubaland traces their roots to Ife, then only a drunk person would say the Alaafin is superior to the Ooni!

Praktikals: Oga leave 'class' out of this. You insult my king, you bring out the animal that is me.

twosquare: Like I said..None is superior to the other. In any society, at least two things must b in place: The Religious and the Political. Without which in ancient times no society can survive

Ife: the spiritual home of the Yorubas...these pple are the custodians of secrets and spiritual information of the Yorubas.. ..in other words Ife is the Religious institution

Oyo: the Political institution.... military might of the Yorubas which brought forth her glory via empire.

One can't do without the other.... No society not strong in Military in ancient times will survive...

Oranmiyan, first Oyo king,last of the seven grandson of Oduduwa,father of Okanbi....founded Oyo via the help of spiritual information....

Oyo derived from “ile n yo"(the ground is slippery)

Ife is seen as a sacred place...that will bring to your remembrance that it is a taboo for any king to beseige it.

Oyo is a powerful town..other towns pay taxes and homage to her....power/authority given to oyo frm Oranmiyan...Sango were later abused.

Oyo influence and prominence can't be put aside before the rebellion.. The days Of Alaafin Abiodun ,Alaafin Arogangan....and the rest...

Both played their role and importance in forging out the Yoruba history,glory and nobility.

Finito: None is superior to the other... Time and chance happens to Us all.

Cool_Flame:
Wow, u are a perfect example of one who has no inkling about his history. Try and read more and ask questions. Alaafin is a descendant of Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan was the ruler of Ife then, but he left to settle a matter in Ibini(now Benin) and instead of returning to Ife, he created a new settlement which he named Oyo under directives of the gods. Before he left Ife, a regent was elected. This regent is the ancestor of Ooni of Ife. Oranyan didn't av a son in Ife so the kingship was retained by the Ooni and his descendants. But the seat of government was later moved to Oyo from Ife by Sango, Oranmiyan's second son. Bro please read more about this to confirm.

mikeapollo:

You people are very funny. It is only in your imagination that Oyo would be superior to Ife. I am not from Ife!
All the recognition given to Oyo came from their military prowess. Military prowess leads to political relevance. That is all Oyo had. But Yoruba histotry is deeper than that.
If the Oyo kingdom/people trace their roots to Ife(Oranmiyan's home), then how can the Alaafin of Oyo(a decendant) be greater than ruler of The Source?
Why was Oranmiyan's body buried in Ife? What does that tell you? If Alaafin of Oyo cannot show you the grave/tomb of Oranmyan in Oyo, then what does that tell you? Oranamiyan'd grave is in Ife, his home!
Oranmiyan had a mystical staff(rod) called Opa Oranmiyan(Oranmiyan's Staff,which was more like his guide/power, just like Moses had. Where is the staff standing today? It is in Ife, not Oyo! What does that tell you?
Oranmiyan left Ife to Bini, before he lleft to establish Oyo. How does Oyo become superior to Kingdoms that had existed long before it?

It beats my imagination how people could allow petty politics to cloud their sense of judgement.

Even first generation Yoruba kingdoms like Ijesha, Ila, Egba, Ijebu, Ekiti etc all trace their roots to Ife. So how could Oyo be superior to Ife? How many Yoruba first genertaion Yoruba kingdoms originated from Oyo?.

Oyo might have expanded in territorial land mass because of military conquest. Wherever you conquer in war becomes part of your territory and you can start collecting taxes, royalities (Isakole) from the people......not because they had any historical, cultural, ancestral, or spirirtual superiority over Ife. IMPOSSIBLE

Go and cleanse yourself of bias and you would appreciate/understand your history better!

Even Yoruba in diaspora eg Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela etc know that Ife is their ancestral home. The Ga people in Ghana also have a part of theirt histroy that traces their roots to Ife......but here we are.....Nigerians who are too biased to say the truth!

Cool_Flame:
Wow, u are a perfect example of one who has no inkling about his history. Try and read more and ask questions. Alaafin is a descendant of Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan was the ruler of Ife then, but he left to settle a matter in Ibini(now Benin) and instead of returning to Ife, he created a new settlement which he named Oyo under directives of the gods. Before he left Ife, a regent was elected. This regent is the ancestor of Ooni of Ife. Oranyan didn't av a son in Ife so the kingship was retained by the Ooni and his descendants. But the seat of government was later moved to Oyo from Ife by Sango, Oranmiyan's second son. Bro please read more about this to confirm.

mikeapollo:

If Alaafin of Oyo is a descendant of Oranmiyan, then answer this: where was Alaafin's progenitor(Oranmiyan) buried?
Do you forget your roots just because you are doing well in a new place? PATHETIC! Can Alaafin show you the grave/tomb of Oranmiyan today?
If not, why? And why why?
Oranmiyan's staff was his symbol of authority/power. Where does the staff stand today? Can you find that staff in Oyo? Absolutely NO! The staff is standing in Ife till today. What does that tell you again?
It shows that Oranmiyan and the people around him in Oyo(chiefs etc) regarded, ranked and respected Ife to be higher than Oyo in hierachy in the scheme of things and in considering where Oranmiyan should be buried. And it was right.

Go and ask the kings (7 kids of Okanbi who became the forebearers of Yoruba Kingdom).e.g Ijesha, Ila, Egba, Apomu, Ijebu, Ekiti etc and listen to what they would tell you. Only an Alaafin would deceive himself that Oyo is equal to Ooni in Yoruba ancestry........No other king would talk that rubbish!

If you do not know, one of the reasons why Alaafin of Oya(Lamidi) is promoting all these lies is because his father was dethroned by Awolowo and the Awolowo family was very close to the Ooni of Ife......all this is part of his plans to strike back.
During his lifetime, the late Asipa of Oyo (Chief Amuda Olorunkosebi) made it clear that Ife/the Ooni is higher than Oyo/Alaafin in Yoruba ancestry

macof:

Lol all these Ife people sef.

So because Ife is our Origin land it automatically makes Ife the most important land

Wat has Ife done for the Yoruba people?

It's not like Oduduwa's grandchildren didn't meet people in Iwo, Idanre, Doromi, Ekiti before claiming the lands

Oyo is the pride of the Oodua nation. Alaafin is the son of Oranmiyan.

Oyo is Oranmiyan

He single handedly built that nation and it lasted over 600yrs and was one the greatest Empires of West Africa.

Yoruba language that u speak and learn in schools is Formed from Oyo language.

In all Ile-Oodua no Nation were as successful as Oyo.

oh well. That Oyo is gone but shouldn't be forgotten

Alaafin equal Ooni, simple!

macof:

Do u realize that Ife was once a colony of Oyo?
And the Ooni must have payed homage to Alaafin as his head

Back to Oranmiyan, he is was c
Heir to Ile-Ife and most honored in Ile-Oodua after Oduduwa's death.

He personally established Oyo to be superior to Ife, and all taxes collected from his siblings were put into Oyo's development.

I think Alaafin is superior in matters outside spirituality and traditions

macof:

Lol all these Ife people sef.

So because Ife is our Origin land it automatically makes Ife the most important land

Wat has Ife done for the Yoruba people?

It's not like Oduduwa's grandchildren didn't meet people in Iwo, Idanre, Doromi, Ekiti before claiming the lands

Oyo is the pride of the Oodua nation. Alaafin is the son of Oranmiyan.

Oyo is Oranmiyan

He single handedly built that nation and it lasted over 600yrs and was one the greatest Empires of West Africa.

Yoruba language that u speak and learn in schools is Formed from Oyo language.

In all Ile-Oodua no Nation were as successful as Oyo.

oh well. That Oyo is gone but shouldn't be forgotten

Alaafin equal Ooni, simple!

ladionline: THIS MAN HAS NOW CLAIM HIS ORIGIN IS ILE IFE, [he knew every THING THAT HAPPEN IN THE PAST JUST AS THEY HAPPEN, HE WAS THERE WITH THE CHAINED! NOW HE HAS RE-INCARNATE TO FIGHT GOD] THE ONLY UNBIAS DEFENDER OF ALL HUMANITY! END SHALL NEVER WONDER.

macof:

Wats this rubbish How more delusional and immature can you be?

macof:

U lack explicit knowledge in Yoruba history.

Most parts of Modern Yorubaland were under Oyo including Ife.
Oranmiyan was the youngest of Okanbi's sons- Orangun of Ila being the first

Why was Oranmiyan favored over his elder brothers? Nd u think Ife throne was hereditary?
Oduduwa wasn't even an Ife man but he was made king, according to Ife stories After Oduduwa's ascension(yes he didn't die) there were 4 other Kings before Oranmiyan came back.

Why didn't Oranmiyan go back to Ife immediately Oduduwa ascended?
Why did he wait that long for 4kings to pass. Oyo was certainly more important to Oranmiyan than Bini and Ife combined

How much landmass has Ooni controlled? How many Yoruba kings have ever payed him homage? Even Oba of Bini stopped a long time ago, when Bini surpassed Ife by far.

Wats Ife's significance if not land of origin? And spiritual home?

macof:

no. humans don't fall from the sky.

That story isnt literal. Oduduwa represents the dark energy in Creation.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

Our ancestors have always known wat science is just finding out.

The personality of Oduduwa in the Yoruba creation is a personification of the dark Energy

macof:

Yoruba history doesn't start from Oduduwa.
There were people living in Ile-Ife before Oduduwa.
Oduduwa's time on earth should be around the 10th century

Oduduwa didn't come from Mecca, He might have visited Mecca, but he was not Arab. It's much logical to believe he came from Igodomigodo(ancient bini) or Some other cities around the east of Ife notably Iwo

tpia@:


Not necessarily, we just have to know how to correctly read the history.

ladionline: You don't have a sound methodology.You approach issues of historical significance with despotic curves Your arguments are very unstable, fitting for scatterbrain.

macof:

Pls get to find something important to do

ladionline: The most important thing to me now is your psycho~analysis. I promise it would be honest costliest and straight. Guess what? It would come freeeee! You ask for it.

macof:
This guy and his problems wats ur beef with me?
If you don't have something important to do, you should just sleep and stop making a fool of urself