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Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by CoolFlame(m): 11:47am On Dec 11, 2013 |
twosquare: Either Ooni or Alaafin of Oyo...None is superior to the other and we all must understand this....these kings needs to put sentiments aside and do away with their differencesAlaafin is superior heritage-wise. Ile-Ife is more important historically than Oyo but Alaafin is a direct descendant of Oduduwa whereas Ooni isn't. Though i do agree both kings have a great role to play in preserving our cultural heritage. |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by CoolFlame(m): 12:04pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
mikeapollo:Wow, u are a perfect example of one who has no inkling about his history. Try and read more and ask questions. Alaafin is a descendant of Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan was the ruler of Ife then, but he left to settle a matter in Ibini(now Benin) and instead of returning to Ife, he created a new settlement which he named Oyo under directives of the gods. Before he left Ife, a regent was elected. This regent is the ancestor of Ooni of Ife. Oranyan didn't av a son in Ife so the kingship was retained by the Ooni and his descendants. But the seat of government was later moved to Oyo from Ife by Sango, Oranmiyan's second son. Bro please read more about this to confirm. 3 Likes |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by mamaafrik(m): 12:35pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
Fazhy:dis writa lack c'mon sense. |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by Okikiade(m): 1:06pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
macof:Samuel Johnson an Oyo man? Since when did he wrote the book? Why didn't they raised the dust then to disclaim his write-up? What we judge will judge! |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by macof(m): 1:22pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
mikeapollo: U lack explicit knowledge in Yoruba history. Most parts of Modern Yorubaland were under Oyo including Ife. Oranmiyan was the youngest of Okanbi's sons- Orangun of Ila being the first Why was Oranmiyan favored over his elder brothers? Nd u think Ife throne was hereditary? Oduduwa wasn't even an Ife man but he was made king, according to Ife stories After Oduduwa's ascension(yes he didn't die) there were 4 other Kings before Oranmiyan came back. Why didn't Oranmiyan go back to Ife immediately Oduduwa ascended? Why did he wait that long for 4kings to pass. Oyo was certainly more important to Oranmiyan than Bini and Ife combined How much landmass has Ooni controlled? How many Yoruba kings have ever payed him homage? Even Oba of Bini stopped a long time ago, when Bini surpassed Ife by far. Wats Ife's significance if not land of origin? And spiritual home? |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by PAGAN9JA(m): 1:26pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
I dont think the Alafin or Ooni really care about superiority. In my opinion, they are both equal as Yoruba men. 1 Like |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by aventura: 4:34pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
Praktikals: Oga leave 'class' out of this. You insult my king, you bring out the animal that is me. |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by tpia5: 4:37pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
Its enough, he already said he's an animal, let him be while he attempts to rejoin the world of humans. |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by twosquare(m): 9:22pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
Like I said..None is superior to the other. In any society, at least two things must b in place: The Religious and the Political. Without which in ancient times no society can survive Ife: the spiritual home of the Yorubas...these pple are the custodians of secrets and spiritual information of the Yorubas.. ..in other words Ife is the Religious institution Oyo: the Political institution.... military might of the Yorubas which brought forth her glory via empire. One can't do without the other.... No society not strong in Military in ancient times will survive... Oranmiyan, first Oyo king,last of the seven grandson of Oduduwa,father of Okanbi....founded Oyo via the help of spiritual information.... Oyo derived from “ile n yo"(the ground is slippery) Ife is seen as a sacred place...that will bring to your remembrance that it is a taboo for any king to beseige it. Oyo is a powerful town..other towns pay taxes and homage to her....power/authority given to oyo frm Oranmiyan...Sango were later abused. Oyo influence and prominence can't be put aside before the rebellion.. The days Of Alaafin Abiodun ,Alaafin Arogangan....and the rest... Both played their role and importance in forging out the Yoruba history,glory and nobility. Finito: None is superior to the other... Time and chance happens to Us all. 1 Like |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by Okikiade(m): 8:55pm On Dec 12, 2013 |
twosquare: Like I said..None is superior to the other. In any society, at least two things must b in place: The Religious and the Political. Without which in ancient times no society can surviveYour opinion is salient that I'll put as very okay,but Alaafin's title is "numero uno"! |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by mikeapollo: 12:03pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Cool_Flame: You people are very funny. It is only in your imagination that Oyo would be superior to Ife. I am not from Ife! All the recognition given to Oyo came from their military prowess. Military prowess leads to political relevance. That is all Oyo had. But Yoruba histotry is deeper than that. If the Oyo kingdom/people trace their roots to Ife(Oranmiyan's home), then how can the Alaafin of Oyo(a decendant) be greater than ruler of The Source? Why was Oranmiyan's body buried in Ife? What does that tell you? If Alaafin of Oyo cannot show you the grave/tomb of Oranmyan in Oyo, then what does that tell you? Oranamiyan'd grave is in Ife, his home! Oranmiyan had a mystical staff(rod) called Opa Oranmiyan(Oranmiyan's Staff,which was more like his guide/power, just like Moses had. Where is the staff standing today? It is in Ife, not Oyo! What does that tell you? Oranmiyan left Ife to Bini, before he lleft to establish Oyo. How does Oyo become superior to Kingdoms that had existed long before it? It beats my imagination how people could allow petty politics to cloud their sense of judgement. Even first generation Yoruba kingdoms like Ijesha, Ila, Egba, Ijebu, Ekiti etc all trace their roots to Ife. So how could Oyo be superior to Ife? How many Yoruba first genertaion Yoruba kingdoms originated from Oyo?. Oyo might have expanded in territorial land mass because of military conquest. Wherever you conquer in war becomes part of your territory and you can start collecting taxes, royalities (Isakole) from the people......not because they had any historical, cultural, ancestral, or spirirtual superiority over Ife. IMPOSSIBLE Go and cleanse yourself of bias and you would appreciate/understand your history better! Even Yoruba in diaspora eg Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela etc know that Ife is their ancestral home. The Ga people in Ghana also have a part of theirt histroy that traces their roots to Ife......but here we are.....Nigerians who are too biased to say the truth! 2 Likes |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by macof(m): 12:24pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
mikeapollo: It's settled Alaafin and Ooni are equal simple! |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by mikeapollo: 12:32pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Cool_Flame: If Alaafin of Oyo is a descendant of Oranmiyan, then answer this: where was Alaafin's progenitor(Oranmiyan) buried? Do you forget your roots just because you are doing well in a new place? PATHETIC! Can Alaafin show you the grave/tomb of Oranmiyan today? If not, why? And why why? Oranmiyan's staff was his symbol of authority/power. Where does the staff stand today? Can you find that staff in Oyo? Absolutely NO! The staff is standing in Ife till today. What does that tell you again? It shows that Oranmiyan and the people around him in Oyo(chiefs etc) regarded, ranked and respected Ife to be higher than Oyo in hierachy in the scheme of things and in considering where Oranmiyan should be buried. And it was right. Go and ask the kings (7 kids of Okanbi who became the forebearers of Yoruba Kingdom).e.g Ijesha, Ila, Egba, Apomu, Ijebu, Ekiti etc and listen to what they would tell you. Only an Alaafin would deceive himself that Oyo is equal to Ooni in Yoruba ancestry........No other king would talk that rubbish! If you do not know, one of the reasons why Alaafin of Oya(Lamidi) is promoting all these lies is because his father was dethroned by Awolowo and the Awolowo family was very close to the Ooni of Ife......all this is part of his plans to strike back. During his lifetime, the late Asipa of Oyo (Chief Amuda Olorunkosebi) made it clear that Ife/the Ooni is higher than Oyo/Alaafin in Yoruba ancestry 2 Likes |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by macof(m): 5:23pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
mikeapollo: Lol all these Ife people sef. So because Ife is our Origin land it automatically makes Ife the most important land Wat has Ife done for the Yoruba people? It's not like Oduduwa's grandchildren didn't meet people in Iwo, Idanre, Doromi, Ekiti before claiming the lands Oyo is the pride of the Oodua nation. Alaafin is the son of Oranmiyan. Oyo is Oranmiyan He single handedly built that nation and it lasted over 600yrs and was one the greatest Empires of West Africa. Yoruba language that u speak and learn in schools is Formed from Oyo language. In all Ile-Oodua no Nation were as successful as Oyo. oh well. That Oyo is gone but shouldn't be forgotten Alaafin equal Ooni, simple! 2 Likes |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by Nobody: 10:09am On Dec 15, 2013 |
macof: To all posters. This issue has been dealt with like a thousand time especially by Katsumoto and finally laid to rest. please, it would do you a lot of good if all posters can read through the threads below. There are still plenty of them if you google. https://www.nairaland.com/1134725/alaafin-tackles-ooni-yoruba-history/3 https://www.nairaland.com/125398/alaafin-oyo-sijuade-ife/3 https://www.nairaland.com/1134725/alaafin-tackles-ooni-yoruba-history |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 2:15pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
macof:THIS MAN HAS NOW CLAIM HIS ORIGIN IS ILE IFE, [he knew every THING THAT HAPPEN IN THE PAST JUST AS THEY HAPPEN, HE WAS THERE WITH THE CHAINED! NOW HE HAS RE-INCARNATE TO FIGHT GOD] THE ONLY UNBIAS DEFENDER OF ALL HUMANITY! END SHALL NEVER WONDER. |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 2:22pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
macof: |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by macof(m): 3:32pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
ladionline: THIS MAN HAS NOW CLAIM HIS ORIGIN IS ILE IFE, [he knew every THING THAT HAPPEN IN THE PAST JUST AS THEY HAPPEN, HE WAS THERE WITH THE CHAINED! NOW HE HAS RE-INCARNATE TO FIGHT GOD] THE ONLY UNBIAS DEFENDER OF ALL HUMANITY! END SHALL NEVER WONDER. Wats this rubbish How more delusional and immature can you be? |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 7:21pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
macof:You don't have a sound methodology.You approach issues of historical significance with despotic curves Your arguments are very unstable, fitting for scatterbrain. |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 7:24pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
macof: |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 7:48pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
macof: |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 7:50pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
macof: |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 7:56pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
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Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 8:02pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
tpia@:This is the most salient point on this thread. They know better who know how to learn. Miss you tpia. Kudos. |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by macof(m): 9:13pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
ladionline: You don't have a sound methodology.You approach issues of historical significance with despotic curves Your arguments are very unstable, fitting for scatterbrain. Pls get to find something important to do |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 8:29am On Dec 22, 2013 |
macof:The most important thing to me now is your psycho~analysis. I promise it would be honest costliest and straight. Guess what? It would come freeeee! You ask for it. |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by macof(m): 10:23am On Dec 22, 2013 |
ladionline: The most important thing to me now is your psycho~analysis. I promise it would be honest costliest and straight. Guess what? It would come freeeee! You ask for it.This guy and his problems wats ur beef with me? If you don't have something important to do, you should just sleep and stop making a fool of urself |
Re: Ooni Of Ife Warns Against Distortion Of Yoruba History by ladionline: 11:22am On Dec 22, 2013 |
macof:My problem with you? I don't have any with you, I am here in the house of God. I request you read Radoillo's thread on AWKA to learn how to prosecute historical prose without attacking your readers. Better still, read Isaac Asimov's works to be a non-fiction, scientific writer. You are writing a whole 'YORUBA HISTORY' isn't it? Is your mood at ease with 'Yoruba philosophy' or the need to break Yoruba to TRIBAL shreds here and celebrate the almighty igodomingo. WHAT DO YOU STAND FOR? |
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