Ellafesta: Hmmm. D Christian replaced the pagan celebration of sun god with Christ birth, wot is wrong wt it?

What is wrong is that:

JESUS was not born on that day,
hence stop teaching kids that Jesus was born on the 25th of December
There is nothing special about December 25th
Lastly, just like so many things you ascribe to JESUS, this isn't from him.

I congratulate KUMUYI for having the guts to say this openly.

if a day that was used to celebrate a useless god is at some time changed and used for the celebration of the almighty God then that is victory!.....if a shrine is pulled down and a church is built in it's sted then that is victory!

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wats wrong wit the present crop of nigerian ministers sef. everyone wna sound controversial. First was Okotie's lewd opprobrium on catholis,now it's kumuyi again. I'm totally dismayed to ce kumuyi i hold in high esteem condescend to reason lik a cretinous brain-dead drake. Damn

Mr Olodo! U need to go n read this history urself. U don't even need Kumuyi to tell u xmass is an idolatrous practice. If u like curse him the more...u are cursing urself. Olodo ti ko gbadun ni e! Pastor, I agree with u cos I knew all about it before u even said it.

GeneralShepherd: Sometimes I wonder how some people reason!

You claim people should not celebrate xmas because it has links to roman gods, do you know that everyday of the week is dedicated and name after a roman god?

Do you the mean of SUNday?

Just one quick question 4 u, shud paganism/satanism set standards 4 God's church? In other words, shud christian celebrate a day marked by paganism/satanism, especially a day dat has no scriptural permission.
Day of d week named after roman gods didn't change d week circle, neither did it establish it just as paganism/satanism did christmas. Having said dat, I admit dat naming d week days after roman gods is evil, and shud be corrected

Princewell2012: Actualy the bible did not give us the specific date when Jesus was born. We are only guesing about about the date, nobody is 100 percent sure of, when Jesus was born, therefore i may choose a particular date, and name it chrismas , and i begin to celebrate on that day, each year, it is not an offence nor do i comited any sin .nowwhat matter most is the motive behind it.

Peter wanted to rescue Jesus by nullifying his plans of saving d whole world. James and john's mother wanted christ to permit her children sit @ his right and left hand in glory. Annias wanted to help God protect d ark dat must not be touched. All these people among others believed dey cud add their quota to God's will but ended up disappointed or rebuked. Christmas celebration is insinuating dat there is something missing in God's plan or better still, believing mortal can add or subtract in God's divine plan. If Jesus didn't not authorize us to celebrate his birth who r we to believe it is worth celebrating? Do a background check on d sacredness of rituals instituted by God and those established by men eg sabbath-sunday, communion-christmas/easter etc

On my way to Abuja Christmas funfair CELEB.

uote author=xynerise]Jesus wasnt born in March. He was born in October


Besides, we are celebrating Jesus not Idol[/quote] Hey, how sure 'яe you? Nobody recorded when christ was born, we just assumed.

What matters to me is that I know why I celebrate Christmas and who I celebrate so I don't need any man's opinion.....shikenah!!!

Victoriousvic: Abeg, what are they practicing? Religion or bondage?

Chai! What's my own sef?
Most of his members don't even have the money to celebrate it, so it makes no difference.

who in ur family has half of what pastor Kumuyi or deeperlifers has yet d man is humble and Godly with an heavenly hope smh for u

;DBible instruction is to observe the last supper not his birth!

Luke22:14-20 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.” 17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Me sef don turn bible student

Ayatullah: Kumuyi has spoken, and he has spoken the truth. Those with 'Long Throat' for Christmas Rice and Turkey may chose to ignore him, but they know it deep down them that they are only glorifying their greedy selves..........now this is not from a Muslim mouth, but a Notable and Respectable figure in Christianity.

Is it greed to like christmas rice ie good food in a country where 99% of the year, people do not eat such?

Just asking, not sure why you call it greed.

Ddy:

Who is God u celebrate? Check d meaning of God in dictioary. If u ar a christian that means u worship the God of isreal. Who is this God of Isreal,his name is YAWEH. We have many gods around. Call him by his name nt God. For me i worship YAWEH,JEHOVAH.I AM THAT I AM. Thats his name not God. Ask any isrealite the name of thier God he will tell u. i hope u have a god in ur place & pple worship it. So my dear dnt worship God bt worship YAWEH. tnx

your bible doesnt hav a new testament right?
"and may the God of peace ... "
"my God shall ... "
u must b jw.
And there's more to the cult jw thn their insistence on trvial hair splittg.

IamDebola: This post is funny.. The comment on the thread is more funnier!
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Well, I'm the funniest!

Sickness don finally hook you!

Can see some of kumuyi's church members have started posting on this thread and defending him .I wonder why they use internet n visit social forum afterall na like TV too smh. wonder why some people go look for history n start insinuating something na pagan tradition before,Christmas has been celebrated long before some pple were born yet they will keep digging n searching for reasons for this n that.Na only God sabi pple Wey dey worship am,d bible s straight forward and simple.

D problem most pple have with Christmas is with d date nd nt becos they couldn't find d word 'christmas' in d bible or where it was commanded. Afterall d word 'bible' is nt in d bible, and we celebrate easter even though its nt commanded, so dats nt d issue at all. Is it wrong to celebrate christmas? Is it idolatrous to sing 'Joy to d world, the Lord is come, let earth receive her king'? No. Its a thing of joy. The angels proclaimed d gud news to d shepherds. Even wisemen came from afar bringing gifts to pay him homage. So its perfectly right to celebrate christmas. GKS celebrate theirs in October, while others celebrate it in early January. D only issue pple have here is d date which shouldn't be a problem at all. D date might have used by pagans to worship dia gods. Bt d truth is dat good will always prevail over evil. Darkness is nt d opposite of light but rather d absence of light. When there is no light, darkness prevails. Christ is the Light. He is the conqueror. He conquered sin and death had no power over Him. The pagan sungod can NEVER overshadow d joy of Christmas. (Make we no give them level). So therefore, come all ye faithful, joyful and triumphant, come and behold Him, come let us adore Him for He is Christ the Lord, who was born to set us free!

Is this what we want to ague about now, Christmas celebrations? What does it matter? How does God see you as an individual? How much love have you shown to you neighbor? How much have you denied yourself to put a smile on the needy's faces? How much glory have you brought to Gods name. STOP all these vain arguments and ideologies, go out there and in your own little way please the most high and beneficent God.

hmmmm! I wonder wetin pereson go do now? who Is
serving christ realy? the fact that it is not written in the
bible not to celebrate christmas makes this self
acclamation untrue, I stand to be correcteg though! the
fact that christ was actally born is enuf reason to
celebrate. #justsaying. before I forget, Happy christmas
my people.

What I expect from the educated ones on this platform on issues like this is to carry out a research on Pastor W.F Kumuyi's claim before coming here to throw insult..With google,a lot of information can be gotten.Must we accept everything to be right becos it has been from the beginning?

Those of you that are bible student will agree with me that christmas was never celebrated during the life of christ neither did Christ commanded His followers to observe it unlike His teraching on Lord supper.His disciples did not observe Christmas and did not talk about it.If christmas cannot be trace to the bible,what then is its origin?when was it first observeed and who instituted it?

To so many Christmas is one very time of the year we celebrate Christ ,that is WRONG ,you may ask why?
1.Christmas was not exactly born on December 25th
2.The very worst of iniquity in the world is committed in the said month of celebration .people are initiated into evil of alcoholism ,fornication ,lies of all shape n sizes are said to acquire gifts from people ,
3.this life is just a vapour that vanishes away why concentrating much every into Christmas from January when you can use the time in living one day at a time .
5.though it might not sound pleasant but why celebrate Christ on a said day when you can do it every day

Read Please & Reason;
Gal. 4:8-11 &
Icor.10:20Read Please & Reason;
Gal. 4:8-11 &
Icor.10:20Read Please & Reason;
Gal. 4:8-11 &
Icor.10:20

CHRIST-MAX: PAGAN WORSHIP?
So many persons are hiding under the guise that they are celebrating Jesus and if possible are ready to fight in protection of December 25. But I want to ask you who say you are celebrating Jesus; the things you do on the so called Christ-day, do they actually give Jesus the glory? Do the activities that come with Christmax buttress the very purpose for which Christ came. If indeed 25th December is designated for Christ worship, then it must be the holiest days in history but records has it that the reverse is the case. How can we say that we are remembering the birth of CHRIST but glorify and exalt the devil. You that is saying all manner of things (good or bad), would you beat your chest with holy pride that Jesus would say the things you had altered? How can you say you are defending Jesus and still say and do abominable things thereby giving pagans the right to ridicule the Most Holy God. Has celebrations much value than Holiness?
Remember that the way to heaven we all are desirous of has its way so narrow that cursings, abuses, disrespect and all evil will never pass through it. The celebration of Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection are not just to be remembered once in a year but in every day of the year and the greatest way you can honour Him is through total commitment and obedience to Him. Do you love Jesus? Then this is what Jesus says -
John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:23 - Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:24 - He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
So, check up if indeed you love Jesus. If you love Him,
1. you'd never use your words like one who has no conscience - Matthew 12:36 - But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
2. You'd never celebrate the 25th of December or any other day in satanic partyings - Romans 13:13 - Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
3. You'd never defile yourself with fornications and adulteries - Acts 15:29 - That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
4. You'd consecrate yourself more to Christ than to the flesh - Ezekiel 43:26 - Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
5. You'd do good and more good - Ephesians 6:7 - With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
6:8 - Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
Therefore, lets quit defending a day but start making use of each day to the glory of Christ. And for you who had made comments that God cannot be associated with, you must desist and let the blood of Jesus consecrate you to God.
God made heaven and the earth, light and darkness and in extension the days, months and years and must be honoured in them all.
For you who had chosen to remain obstinate and disobedient, priding yourself in your wickedness, note that,
Acts 17:30 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
17:31 - Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Hebrews 10:31- It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
-You might be boasting about the fact that you had said and done evil things and because you had not been destroyed, you now think that there aren't any God but note;
Psalms 10:13 - Wherefore doth the wicked contemn God? he hath said in his heart, Thou wilt not require it.
Psalms 14:1 - The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
-Never you think that God's silence over your wickedness is a sign of non-chalancy, weakness or incapabity;
Romans 2:4 - Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
The grace of God is open to you right now but will never be for eternity.
He that has an ear, let him hear.

Kumuyi is one person I respect a lot but from recent happenings, right from his son's wedding, I began to lose my respect for him. His doctrines only lead to hypocrisy. Yes, we all know the origin of Christmas but the most important thing is that it is the essence of Christmas that we celebrate not the origin. Everybody also knows that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December, the day is just a generally accepted day to remember the birth of the saviour, nothing more. I agree Christmas might have been commercialised but that doesn't subtract from its essence. Let me also remind Kumuyi that the day he and other Christians round the world worship God in churches (i.e sunday) was named after a god. Why does he still hold services on that day? Also, did Jesus use cars when he was on earth or was there television or facebook during his time? Why does Kumuyi use all these things since they weren't used by Jesus or even the Apostles. See, the fact that something is not expressly spelt out in the Bible doesn't necessarily make it bad and it is not everytime that the crowd is wrong. The Holy Spirit is always there to guide us.

ask4chibykes: CHRIST-MAX: PAGAN WORSHIP?
So many persons are hiding under the guise that they are celebrating Jesus and if possible are ready to fight in protection of December 25. But I want to ask you who say you are celebrating Jesus; the things you do on the so called Christ-day, do they actually give Jesus the glory? Do the activities that come with Christmax buttress the very purpose for which Christ came. If indeed 25th December is designated for Christ worship, then it must be the holiest days in history but records has it that the reverse is the case. How can we say that we are remembering the birth of CHRIST but glorify and exalt the devil. You that is saying all manner of things (good or bad), would you beat your chest with holy pride that Jesus would say the things you had altered? How can you say you are defending Jesus and still say and do abominable things thereby giving pagans the right to ridicule the Most Holy God. Has celebrations much value than Holiness?
Remember that the way to heaven we all are desirous of has its way so narrow that cursings, abuses, disrespect and all evil will never pass through it. The celebration of Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection are not just to be remembered once in a year but in every day of the year and the greatest way you can honour Him is through total commitment and obedience to Him. Do you love Jesus? Then this is what Jesus says -
John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:23 - Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:24 - He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
So, check up if indeed you love Jesus. If you love Him,
1. you'd never use your words like one who has no conscience - Matthew 12:36 - But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
2. You'd never celebrate the 25th of December or any other day in satanic partyings - Romans 13:13 - Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
3. You'd never defile yourself with fornications and adulteries - Acts 15:29 - That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
4. You'd consecrate yourself more to Christ than to the flesh - Ezekiel 43:26 - Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
5. You'd do good and more good - Ephesians 6:7 - With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
6:8 - Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
Therefore, lets quit defending a day but start making use of each day to the glory of Christ. And for you who had made comments that God cannot be associated with, you must desist and let the blood of Jesus consecrate you to God.
God made heaven and the earth, light and darkness and in extension the days, months and years and must be honoured in them all.
For you who had chosen to remain obstinate and disobedient, priding yourself in your wickedness, note that,
Acts 17:30 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
17:31 - Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Hebrews 10:31- It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
-You might be boasting about the fact that you had said and done evil things and because you had not been destroyed, you now think that there aren't any God but note;
Psalms 10:13 - Wherefore doth the wicked contemn God? he hath said in his heart, Thou wilt not require it.
Psalms 14:1 - The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
-Never you think that God's silence over your wickedness is a sign of non-chalancy, weakness or incapabity;
Romans 2:4 - Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
The grace of God is open to you right now but will never be for eternity.
He that has an ear, let him hear.

mumu the last of crime is comitted during easter period .

.. you don't have a clue of this thing . so worshiping on Sunday scriptural or the decision that some certain part of the scripturs are beneficial and others are not is scriptural?? please Mr . kumuyi does not understand Christmas and I he think what does not fit his doctrine is unscriptural . since when bible form all the scope of Christianity ?? he said using tv and co are not scriptural but why is he transmitting on these worldly things ? need I remind him that the person who owns Facebook does not believe in God so why is he on Facebook clueless like Jonathan . some Africa pastor would be turning I too know just because they have many followers . was he there during the council of nicea or during council of Trent I bet if he is a historian who research bible with open mind and Christian tradition. he should know that the days of the week and month he is calling are Roman, German and Greek gods he is calling . is that scriptural people with shallow mind . even catholics are not saying the date is the original but just a day to be merry and enjoy life as a Christian . do they know that day was the day the Roman pagans were worshipping their god year and to discourage that , the Christian replace the day with the birth of their saviour. and what good can be compare to the day a saviour is born ?? the happy moment of it . mtchew . i can't go on .....

JustCurious:

Kamsy, what exactly do you mean by hero-worship? Is it wrong to have a contrary view? And, why have you been so excited over this Deeper Life issue? Does it profit you anything? Or, does it make you a better Christian? Or does it guarantee that your name would be written in the Book of Life? I am really perturbed by your display of excitement. You must be having real FUN, and not minding what would Christ Jesus do in your stead..

Pastor Kumuyi's message was for his church members.. I seriously still don't understand your gross. #backoffplease.

BUT YOU GUYS WERE ONCE TOLD THAT TV IS DEVILISH BUT YOU NOW EVEN OWN A TV STATION.IT'S EXCITING TO SEEYOU CONVERTED THE TV IDOL TO GODLY MESSAGE, VERY EXCITING

JustCurious:

Kamsy, what exactly do you mean by hero-worship? Is it wrong to have a contrary view? And, why have you been so excited over this Deeper Life issue? Does it profit you anything? Or, does it make you a better Christian? Or does it guarantee that your name would be written in the Book of Life? I am really perturbed by your display of excitement. You must be having real FUN, and not minding what would Christ Jesus do in your stead..

Pastor Kumuyi's message was for his church members.. I seriously still don't understand your gross. #backoffplease.

BUT YOU GUYS WERE ONCE TOLD THAT TV IS DEVILISH AND MUST NOT BE FOUND IN YOUR HOMES BUT YOU NOW EVEN OWN A TV STATION.
IT'S VERY VERY EXCITING TO SEEYOU CONVERTED THE TV IDOL TO DO GOD STUFF, VERY EXCITING THAT WE'RE ALL TOGETHER
WELCOME TO THE CLUB OF IDOLATERS

Ellafesta: Hmmm. D Christian replaced the pagan celebration of sun god with Christ birth, wot is wrong wt it?

A great lot is wrong with it.................the idolatry practices continue, lot of boooooz to consume on Xmas day, lot of obscene music will fill the air in the name of Christmas party and all the other nonsensicals that you know. So why chose a day associated with the celebration of sun god when Jesus ACTUALLY has his own birthday?

Ayatullah:

A great lot is wrong with it.................the idolatry practices continue, lot of boooooz to consume on Xmas day, lot of obscene music will fill the air in the name of Christmas party and all the other nonsensicals that you know. So why chose a day associated with the celebration of sun god when Jesus ACTUALLY has his own birthday?

TELL ME ONE DAY IN NIGERIA THAT IS FILLED WITH HOLINESS.
AM WAITING

As far back as 25 years ago I watched DL revival programmes on TV. This is Sensational Journalism, attempting to sell controversy by leaving the essence of the entire message and making quotations out of context. He addressed DL members in particular, not everybody. To be in DL is a choice some have made amidst varying options. There's liberty. Those there have reasons why they aren't elsewhere. There's no bondage cos in virtually every assembly people leave and at the same time many others join. You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else is. He addressed DL. Is DL your business?

Kamsy10:

BUT YOU GUYS WERE ONCE TOLD THAT TV IS DEVILISH BUT YOU NOW EVEN OWN A TV STATION.IT'S EXCITING TO SEEYOU CONVERTED THE TV IDOL TO GODLY MESSAGE, VERY EXCITING

At last, the religious leaders are begining to realise that they have been involved in what could be termed spiritual harlotry.Christmas,Easter, the doctrine of trinity are all paganistic and hence idolatrous.

jlounge: As far back as 25 years ago I watched DL revival programmes on TV. This is Sensational Journalism, attempting to sell controversy by leaving the essence of the entire message and making quotations out of context. He addressed DL members in particular, not everybody. To be in DL is a choice some have made amidst varying options. There's liberty. Those there have reasons why they aren't elsewhere. There's no bondage cos in virtually every assembly people leave and at the same time many others join. You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else is. He addressed DL. Is DL your business?

BUT DO YOU AGREE DL USED TO CONDEMN TV AS DEVILISH BUT NOW OWNS A TV STATION?
ANSWER FIRST COS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONVERTING DEVILISH STUFF TO GODLY STUFF HERE