GeneralShepherd: Sometimes I wonder how some people reason!

You claim people should not celebrate xmas because it has links to roman gods, do you know that everyday of the week is dedicated and name after a roman god?

Do you the mean of SUNday?

handelex: brother pls watch your mouth,think before you speak...you just called a man of God a clown..after all he was not even referring to you rather his church members.

Kamsy10:

what is this one saying?
see hero worship o
so you're concluding that God told him but you don't think God also told the ones supporting Christmas? chai

Talk about G.O worship

Idolatory alert!!!!!!!

unmask: you might be surprised to know how rich deeperlife members are..... You should have maybe said they don't show off..... But saying they are not rich..... Then you are sorely mistaken

Demain_man:

You are a stack ILLITRATE. I belief you mean MARS.

MASS = EUCHARIST = COMMUNION

It is not a Planet sir.

No wonder KUMUYI message is for dunce like you and your likes in that your country Nigeria. People who will belief anything a man like himself says just because is he called 'god of man' .

Demain_man:

And monday is MOONday i belief

Demain_man:

And you are a man of SATAN abi?

Give me a bible verse that says we shall not rebuke a 'god of man'
Jesus who we claim to be like rebuked them in his days. He even chased them out of the temple when they turned it into a den of thieves!

Please, don't infest me with your 'follow, follow' disease i beg you. I know my own level of faith. And yes, I can rebuke any 'god of man' who err anytime, anyday.

handelex: Mr Rebuker .. Mind u kumuyi was only speaking to members of his
church, he was not speaking to Christians in Nigeria, so
if you are not a member of his church I don't see the
reason why dis should b your problem.

Flautist: Youtube vid please.

Yea so many things bout the Christmas celebration suggest idolatery..think bout the red-white ish;santa clause; Christmas tree,which scripture verse instructed us to erect a statue and put stars and make it Adorable in the name of christmas??

Everyone needs to rethink,roman catholic introduced many celebrations,most many churches considered wrong and so dnt celebrate,only Christmas is generally acceptd,but general acceptance by all doesn't justify it. It seems Christmas has no spiritual relevance,even during christmas sexual immorality and oda wickdnes are rampant, hmm.
GOD HELP US

#NB.. Mind your words, you might be raining curses upon yourself.. Pastor Kumuyi is a servant of God.

Demain_man:

His kids don't even listen to him.

I know he will come round again someday. Is it not the same Kumuyi that said TV was evil? He will come round trust me. The only reason he made that comment is 'NAIRALAND'

He or his assistants are all members of the nairaland forum and they can read the CATHOLIC bashing going on and decided to take it further.


The same people who chose a date for Christmas also chose names for the weekdays and even months of the years and they were mostly names after the service of one god or the other. What are you guys going to do about it then?

dameastra: Its really sad d way pple critise odas. A man of GOD for dt mata.. Even if he is fake or not, As long as he stands up as an intermediary btw man and GOD.. He shud be respected.. Wat happened to every one is entitled to dre own opinion.. Its either u follow or u don't. Nobody forces u to take heed.. U don't need to lambast or call him names. It all depends on your understanding... Is it wen u throw parties n all dt u celebrate?? Wat happens to a complete family avin a tym out in periods like ds. N if u say deeper life members r poor, its because u r being delusional n u can't see beyond ur nose.. Comments shud be tot abt b4 bin posted.. Its very neccessary

opyzy: Iro gbu! are u a jehovah witness? By d way how is it idolatry? do xtians offer chickens or any other meat to idols?smh christmas is jus to celebrate the birth of jesus

KasaMary: “Christmas is a Pagan Celebration”
by: KasaMary

On entering the Board Room for a presentation with a colleague, we were greeted by the subject of this article. A very articulate and energetic man was saying this to two colleagues who were trying to convince him that Christmas is not a pagan celebration.

This man seemed to have more “facts” or rather knew how to present his position better than his colleagues. Being my superiors, I couldn’t join in the "debate". What I could not share with them, I share with you.

Christmas is not a pagan celebration. It is the commemoration of the birth of Our Lord rather than the celebration of His birthday.

The feast of Christmas, “the Mass of Christ”, used to be celebrated on January 6. (January 6 is now being celebrated as the Feast of the Epiphany of Our Lord. The Feast of Epiphany which originated in the Eastern Church in the Third Century is a three-fold commemoration of Our Lord’s manifestation among men: First to the gentiles, in the persons of the Magi (Matt 2:1-12), second at the time of his baptism in the river Jordan when His divinity was made manifest (Matt 3:13-17, Mk1:9-11, Lk 3:21-22), and lastly at the wedding feast in Cana where He turned water into wine at His Mother’s request (Jn 2:1-12).

In the Eastern rite, the baptism in the Jordan was particularly stressed, whereas in our Latin rite the coming of the Magi is more prominent). Celebration of Christmas became distinct in the Roman Church at about 300AD and the date was December 25, but the Church in other states kept different days for a long time. Why was the date moved from January 6 to December 25 in Rome?

Ancient Rome was a highly pagan empire with numerous gods and elaborate and “gluttonic” celebrations in their honour. December 25 was the day they celebrated the great Roman Solar Feast, Notalis Solis Invicti, (the birthday of the unconquerable sun-god), which the Roman Emperor Aurelian made compulsory throughout his empire in AD 274. It was one of their greatest celebrations with rituals and feasting everywhere.

The Elders (Magisterium) of the growing but underground Church in Rome discovered to their dismay that most new converts still joined in this stupendous celebration, to eat and wine and enjoy themselves. So the Magisterium met, discussed and prayed ernestly about this trend. At the end, they and the Holy Spirit (Whom Christ has promised that He will be with the Church to guard, guide, inspire and help her to the end of time (Jn 14:16-17; 16:12-15)) decided (Acts 15:28) to move the Feast of Christmas to December 25th to supplant the pagan feast since Christ is the true “Light of the world” (Jn 8:12). They did this so that as the pagans celebrated theirs, the Christians in the catacombs commemorated the birth of the Messiah and as such would have no reason to join in the pagan celebrations. St. John Chrysostom, Bishop of Constantinople from 397 till he died in exile in 404AD wrote and said: Who indeed is so unconquerable as our Lord? He is the Sun of Justice. So December 25 became the day to commemorate the birth of our Lord till tomorrow.

Does the supplanting of the pagan feast with Christmas make the feast of Christ’s birth (Christmas) a pagan celebration? Does the conquering of evil with good necessarily make the conqueror evil? Are we not urged in the Scripture to conquer evil with good (Rom 12:21)? On Christmas day, do we offer sacrifices to the non-existent ancient Roman sun-god or do we worship the Omnipotent God of the sun? Most Churches in the Eastern part of Nigeria are built on what used to be village shrines dedicated to certain gods; does this make worshipers in such church worshippers of the "overthrown" gods? No!

Christmas is not a pagan celebration but indeed the celebration of the conquering of evil and evil practices with the Divine and divine practices. That is what and why Christ came for: to supplant evil with good. The conquering has not only been in ancient Rome alone, but in most countries, towns and villages where Catholicism has triumphantly entered. And this conquering should also be the same in our individual lives. The gods of sexual revolution (fornication, adultery, masturbation, pornography) and materialism, the gods of gossip and lying, the gods of bribery and corruption, pride, jealousy, laziness, abortion, etc, must be conquered and burnt up by the Sun of Justice and supplanted with love for God and the godly. This is the bold statement the Church made by that singular decision. If the ancient Roman feast had subsisted and upheld by the Church, then the protestations would have been weightier. The argument is completely hollow, so long as that evil has been forever supplanted!

"Is it in the Bible?" Yes, the divine birth of Our Lord is in the Bible (Mtt1:18-25, Lk 2:1-7). What may not be explicitly stated in the Scripture is the date. And so what is the problem with that? Christ, "coming" from a humble and non-royal background, no one may have recorded the date of His divine birth. But the Church, in her wisdom and in union with the ever alive, present and active Holy Spirit have given us a date since the Third Century. And about the 19th and 20th centuries, about 1,600 (!!!) years after, people are still disputing it! (Read Gal 1:8, and be wise). The date should not bother us. Let the true celebration bother us, after all Christ lives timelessly. Even as we bother more about the true celebration of Christmas, let us realize that we still live in a timed world. A world where there is time for everything under the sun (Ecc 3:1-. And so, for the commemoration of the birth of Christ under the sun, His followers have chosen a date: formerly it was January 6, but now December 25 and they call it Christmas (Christ Mass or the Mass of Christ).

Lilimax: I've heard it several times ?
BUT,
Whether Our Lord Jesus Christ was born on Christmas
day or not is immaterial to me ?.

The most important thing is that a Saviour was born to salvage mankind from
God's wrath .

If Christ was not born, my life would have been miserable.

Thank you Lord for giving us Jesus Christ.

rabzy: For those who are mention Moonday, thors-day, Freyas-day. It is not d name dat makes d day it is d celebration. So does anyone remember or celebrate any of those gods on those days, so if xtians don't continue d practise of celebrating dem under any guise den it should nt be used as a defense for d xmas celebration.

rabzy:

The fact that it was based on a lie and it is still celebrated with the fanfare and paraphernalia of the old pagan origin is the crux of the matter. All evidence from the Bible and early church shows that birthdays were significant and important for pagans and they enthusiastically celebrate it.
To now rename, whitewash and present it as a honour to Christ is totally wrong. Its a celebration adopted from paganism which is still celebrated with pagan rites....that makes it pagan.

glimpse:

Even thursday means THORsday

PAGAN 9JA:
Why do catholics accuse us Traditionalists of Idolatory when they use idols themselves in church?

what do you gain from worship an israeli god instead of worshipping your Tribal God.