azjaponnaisnoir: I advise use to better stay in Uk; their also as tolerant as USA 4 me; USA too tolerant but the crime rate and the fear really scares me; I live in auckland; i remenber when i went to america on holidays January 2013 i was supposed to stay for 2 weeks; just behind my appartement; there were gang shootin' (new york) damn i left after 1 week i was so scared lol;neer heard gun shootin' in my life that was the first time lmao; i prefer UK just for that

Did you by any means took part in an English testing Exam before Leaving for auckland cos your written tbh is very poor

Tensor777

Here is a classic example of institutionalised racism. It's easier for an international student of any ethnicity to get into Oxbridge, than a black briton.

Dearth of Blacks at Oxford and Cambridge

David Lammy, a former higher education minister and Labour member of Parliament, has used figures obtained under Britain’s Freedom of Information Law to reveal a dearth of black and other minority students at either of the country’s two oldest universities.

According to Mr. Lammy, last year the whole of Oxford University admitted just one black Caribbean student, and Cambridge University does not have a single black faculty member.

“We’re talking about universities which receive £560 million of British taxpayers’ money,” or $885 million, Mr. Lammy said in an interview.

Both universities challenged Mr. Lammy’s arguments; Oxford said it had admitted 27 British black students of African, Caribbean and ‘‘other’’ descent in 2009.

The son of Guyanese immigrants, Mr. Lammy is a graduate of the School of Oriental and African Studies in London and Harvard Law School. He contrasted the aggressive outreach efforts of elite private U.S. universities with Britain’s publicly financed institutions.

His anger was not solely focused on race. “If Britain has become a ‘classless society’ then Oxford hasn’t got the message,” he said. “David Cameron's alma mater, Brasenose College, Oxford, recruits 92 percent of students from the top three social classes.” Mr. Lammy also pointed out that the prosperous London borough of Richmond received only 18 fewer Oxford offers of admission than the whole of Scotland.

He faulted the British practice of allowing tutors at each Oxford and Cambridge college to control admissions, rather than having a university-wide central admissions office.

“We need American-style needs-blind admissions,” he said. “The lesson from the U.S. is not to compromise on excellence, but to search harder for those who are capable of it.”

A spokeswoman for Oxford said that Mr. Lammy’s arguments “don’t stack up.” In a statement, the university said lack of success in secondary school was the biggest barrier to blacks’ admission, noting that “in 2009, 29,000 white students got the requisite grades for Oxford compared to just 452 black students.”

“Black students apply disproportionately for the most oversubscribed subjects,” it said, further reducing their chances of success.

Ann Donovan, a spokeswoman for Cambridge, said Mr. Lammy was mistaken to claim the university had no black academics, although when asked for a precise figure she replied: “We don’t know, because we have no way of knowing. We have a form which asks your ethnicity, but it isn’t compulsory. If someone doesn’t want to declare their ethnicity, what would you do?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/world/europe/13iht-educBriefs13.html?_r=0

^^^The article was copied from the Guardian UK by New York Times but I can't find the Guardian UK link.

arsbeauty: Which Country Is More Racist-America Or England?

Any Nigerians who have lived or been to both America and England? Which country is more racist?

definitely america

I don't think oyinbo owes us any favour apart from the reparations for the evil of slavery and colonialism.The only reason why we worry about oyinbo being racist [b]is because we have not been able to make our own rules that suits us and define who we are as a people.We live by whiteman's rules and pace,that is why we tend to take everything they do [/b]and what they think of us seriously.

GBAM for the bold!

You are freed bro! May you continue to grow in wisdom.

shymexx: Tensor777

Here is a classic example of institutionalised racism. It's easier for an international student of any ethnicity to get into Oxbridge, than a black briton.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/world/europe/13iht-educBriefs13.html?_r=0

^^^The article was copied from the Guardian UK by New York Times but I can't find the Guardian UK link.

The article says nothing that we don't know. How come only 452 Afro Carribean black secondary school students met the 2009 Oxford University admission requirements compared to 29000 white students who were prepared to go for a wide spectrum of courses.
It also says that those 452 tended to subscribe to the highly competitive courses like law and medicine meaning that those blacks were already top performers in their schools but even they could not get in to the courses of their choice.
It goes back to under-performance in secondary schools of black students.
The real question is why this segment of the population is under-performing in high school?
It is not even about just Oxford and Cambridge but the whole university system sees a gross under-representation of Afro Caribbean students.

Afam4eva:
I give you Oprah Winfrey who's a media giant aand i give you Denzel Watshington who is a Holywood star. pls, name me one very big Black British movie star in the UK.

Edun somthing somthing. He stared in Merlin. Guenivere's brother, sir elyan

tensor77:
The article says nothing that we don't know. How come only 452 Afro Carribean black secondary school students met the 2009 Oxford University admission requirements compared to 29000 white students who were prepared to go for a wide spectrum of courses.
It also says that those 452 tended to subscribe to the highly competitive courses like law and medicine meaning that those blacks were already top performers in their schools but even they could not get in to the courses of their choice.
It goes back to under-performance in secondary schools of black students.
The real question is why this segment of the population is under-performing in high school?
It is not even about just Oxford and Cambridge but the whole university system sees a gross under-representation of Afro Caribbean students.

Blame the school system in the inner cities for that. Hence why most black parents are sending their kids to schools in white areas. However, there should be some form of affirmative action as it's in America for black britons.

You can argue all you want but I'm sure a lot of under-qualified white students were admitted despite not considering the black ones. Especially the ones who went to Eton and other top private colleges.

Let Nigerians develop Nigeria. Let us stop waiting for "manna" from the West. With the huge human and natural resources in Africa, we are still looking up to them to "help" us. Racism or no racism, let us leapfrog development and racism will not matter to us. If u are very successful, racism will turn to admiration.

after I don win lottery,i go Ansa u. Bt now, I can not categorically tell u..... Dats all.

Murder_X: I have lived in both places and will tell you confidently that the US is by far more racist. Even the Black Americans are racist to Africans. It is horrible there. The UK is more tolerant to Africans. I would rather not recount my nasty racist experiences in the US even though I stayed there less than half as long as I stayed in the UK. I really could not believe it, I always thought they will be more tolerant since it is supposed to be a free land - I was so so wrong. You can see hatred in their eyes, don't even ask for directions. Anybody that has lived in both will not even think of an answer to the question.

Thank you my brother. You really don't know what racism is until you encounter some of these racist white Americans.

This is a very cynical-topic. Its provocative. Its also
Insulting. Why generalise a whole nation becos of scanty individuals? U shouldn't be over-conscious of these kind of things, Or else u would end up being a victim at those times that racism wasn't even an issue.

This is a very cynical-topic. Its provocative. Its also
Insulting. Why generalise a whole nation becos of scanty individuals? U shouldn't be over-conscious of these kind of things, Or else u would end up being a victim at those times that racism wasn't even an issue.

As a Nigerian living in the US, I find this topic very disturbing. It is completely wrong to identify a country as racist. For all those that say the US is more racist, there is a very high percentage that you are racist yourself. The US is a very diverse place and people will treat you differently based on their personal experience. That does not make a country racist!
And oh by the way, Nigerians are some of the most sensitive people I have ever seen. Ask a fellow Nigerian here in the US and they will tell you they don't even want to live in a neighborhood with a lot of fellow Nigerians.
Bottom line, if you want to travel abroad, go with purpose and you will be respected. Don't come here depending on government assisted living and hope to be treated like a king.

azjaponnaisnoir: I advise use to better stay in Uk; their also as tolerant as USA 4 me; USA too tolerant but the crime rate and the fear really scares me; I live in auckland; i remenber when i went to america on holidays January 2013 i was supposed to stay for 2 weeks; just behind my appartement; there were gang shootin' (new york) damn i left after 1 week i was so scared lol;neer heard gun shootin' in my life that was the first time lmao; i prefer UK just for that

They must not speak English in Auckland, I guess..
because the post was soliciting opinions on racism comparison not crime.
Also wherever you stayed in Ny. and heard gunshots must be the deep hood or bad poor areas. if you had stayed in Manhattan or most parts of any of the boroughs you would not have witnessed that. its like staying in okokomaiko in Lagos instead of lekhi and then saying that Lagos is full of crime.....and sorry..you write terrible English......brush up on it, take a course.

cap28:

WEstern education merely transformed us into docile robots who unquestioningly follow the dictates of our white masters. Christianity came along and put the final nail in the coffin of our collective psyches. We are nothing more than glorified slaves of the white men. WEstern education taught us not to question anything and accept the white man as our lord and saviour.

What can you do with an education that was designed to keep you in perpetual slavery? Don't you see how our leaders behave when they are in the presence of Europeans and americans?

Development in South Korea would never have got off the ground if the united states was not in support of it - how come the same helping hand was not extended to Nkrumah when he approached Eisenhower for financial assistance in the development of the Volta dam in the 1960s ? Why was Nkrumah railroaded into accepting a world bank loan which put Ghana onto the road of indebtedness and financial ruin? Unless you want to tell me that Park Chung Hee was a greater visionary than Nkrumah. Please lets stop lying to ourselves and face up to the reality, Nkrumah had grand plans for Ghana which were openly scuppered by the United States govt along with the CIA.

How about Burkina Faso - why was Thomas Sankara assassinated by French intelligence operatives? Do you think it might have had something to do with his plans to make Burkina Faso an economically independent country and loosen France's control over its economy?

Congo had problems , but who created the problems? Wasn't it King Leopold of Belgium that annexed this country in 1885 and transformed it into his personal property?

Wasn't it this same Leoopold who enslaved millions of Congolese and forced them to work on rubber plantations? Wasn't this rubber exported to Belgium and the proceeds of its sale used to develop Belgium whilst Congo was left undeveloped?

Don't get me started on the genocide that he perpetrated on that country which resulted in the deaths of over 10 million Congolese people. In a nut shell Belgium, the US and the rest of Europe owe Congo a huge debt and the least they could have done was help rebuild the country but instead they chose to destroy it with the help of one of their puppets. Mobutu was recruited and assisted by Europe and America what is the point of talking about the way he looted, the issue is not how he looted but WHY he was even allowed into that position in the first place.

Indonesia is not a country that I think you would wish to emulate, are you aware that Suharto under instructions from the CIA eliminated over 2 million people in a space of less than a year?

The CIA drew up lists of people who were suspected of being communist sympathisers and these lists were handed to Suharto who instructed his thugs to systematically torture and kill these people - this is well documented in a documentary/film called "The Act of Killing" google it and see the horrors that were perpetrated on innocent people in that country. Anyone who wanted a fair chance in life by way of a more equitable system under a socialist/communist govt was butchered by Suharto's killers - is that what you wish for Nigeria? By the way this was done so that the US and Europe could implement neo liberal economic policies without having to worry about opposition groups within the country.

Yes, Suharto developed the country but only because he was told that in doing so he would be given a big share of money that would be generated from foreign investment, Suharto's regime was one of the most corrupt and brutal dictatorships in the world but the west turned a blind eye because of the huge returns they were making on their investments.

Have you asked about the price the indigenous people had to pay - the only beneficiaries were Suharto and his cronies and thugs while ordinary people (that is the ones who survived the death squads) ended up working in sweat shops making products for western multinationals - is that your idea of progress?

If the US truly wished for a more developed Congo why did they assassinate Lumumba who for all intents and purposes was more than willing to go down the route of development of the country?

Black countries do not prefer to flog their resources to the highest bidder - sankara of Burkina faso wanted to control the resources of his country himself and this earned him a bullet in the head, Lumumba the same thing, Gbagbo wanted to limit france's involvement in ivory coast's economic devt , this ended up with ivory coast being invaded by france and his subsequent arrest and deportation and imprisonment.

Qadaffi though not a black African incurred the wrath of Europe and America when he refused to allow their oil companies set his crude oil prices and take over the running of Libya's banking system. Prior to the invasion and devastation of Libya by NATO, Libyans enjoyed the highest standard of living on the African continent.


The pattern is the same throughout Africa - European and American exploitation of black Africans.

I love the way you think, I wish more people thought like you.

Nelly Ghenghen: Here we go again! black man with s.tupid talks on racism. really who is more racist than Africans? would we allow a white man to be the president of Nigeria? Can we allow a white man/woman to be a minister or a senator in Nigeria? or even local govt chairman?? Can a white person win MBGN? most times you even hear stuff like "she's too light skinned, she shouldn't win MBGN, she doesn't rep Africa".

Few months back your coach told someone to go back to belgium "white dude" and it was okay, if reverse was the case you'll see all black people crying offence.

We Africans are racists too, the only thing is other races don't give us the opportunity to shi.t them.

Thank you!! the hypocrite of some Nigerians is unbelievable

benom: As a Nigerian living in the US, I find this topic very disturbing. It is completely wrong to identify a country as racist. For all those that say the US is more racist, there is a very high percentage that you are racist yourself. The US is a very diverse place and people will treat you differently based on their personal experience. That does not make a country racist!
And oh by the way, Nigerians are some of the most sensitive people I have ever seen. Ask a fellow Nigerian here in the US and they will tell you they don't even want to live in a neighborhood with a lot of fellow Nigerians.
Bottom line, if you want to travel abroad, go with purpose and you will be respected. Don't come here depending on government assisted living and hope to be treated like a king.

A+++++

benom: As a Nigerian living in the US, I find this topic very disturbing. It is completely wrong to identify a country as racist. For all those that say the US is more racist, there is a very high percentage that you are racist yourself. The US is a very diverse place and people will treat you differently based on their personal experience. That does not make a country racist!
And oh by the way, Nigerians are some of the most sensitive people I have ever seen. Ask a fellow Nigerian here in the US and they will tell you they don't even want to live in a neighborhood with a lot of fellow Nigerians.
Bottom line, if you want to travel abroad, go with purpose and you will be respected. Don't come here depending on government assisted living and hope to be treated like a king.

Nigerian in US depending on government assistance ?
Are you really sure?
less than 1% of Nigerian in the US are doing it
If you want to talk of Nigerian depending on government assistance
great number of Nigerian might be doing it More likely in Canada and UK

very stupid comparism...of course America is more racist considering the size of the nation and the diversity of he nation.....stayed in uk 1 year and been here like 8yrs and will take the racism here which i know its white vs black than the stupid racism in my country that we stylishly call tribalism...how can feloow black men be racist towards each other

benom: As a Nigerian living in the US, I find this topic very disturbing. It is completely wrong to identify a country as racist. For all those that say the US is more racist, there is a very high percentage that you are racist yourself. The US is a very diverse place and people will treat you differently based on their personal experience. That does not make a country racist!
And oh by the way, Nigerians are some of the most sensitive people I have ever seen. Ask a fellow Nigerian here in the US and they will tell you they don't even want to live in a neighborhood with a lot of fellow Nigerians.
Bottom line, if you want to travel abroad, go with purpose and you will be respected. Don't come here depending on government assisted living and hope to be treated like a king.

Hey yo from what you said that Nigerians don't like staying in sane neighborhood with fellow naija folks it depend on personal experiences like when I went to a Nigerian church most of em were carrying themselves like demi gods damn this is America when nobody dey look your naija face Some Nigerians have very stinky attitude

Mr Mac-10:
Hey yo from what you said that Nigerians don't like staying in sane neighborhood with fellow naija folks it depend on personal experiences like when I went to a Nigerian church most of em were carrying themselves like demi gods damn this is America when nobody dey look your naija face Some Nigerians have very stinky attitude

Sorry to say,I really dont fuq with Nigerians here for some very simple and sensible reasons
1: when one knows where you stay,expect that one to bring about 3 more people to your house
2: too fuqing loud
3: broke people who act like they own the world
4: too many Nigerians in the same place is bound to bring cop activity
5: over posing when most of them no even get any paper
6: Back stabbing your fellow Nigerians all for paper (not happened to mebut heard numerous stories)

Milehigh u said it all though not all are like that but most especially Yoruba's treat ibos like outsiders in america again haba and backstabbing issue that one is crazy I tell you bro

Mr Mac-10:
Milehigh u said it all though not all are like that but most especially Yoruba's treat ibos like outsiders in america again haba and backstabbing issue that one is crazy I tell you bro

actually,allNigerians are at fault forthis...yoruba's do to felow yorubas almost if not worse than they will do to other ibos...its not about tribe but the greed and that has been beaten into us by our leaders and numerous years of poverty

milehigh06:

actually,allNigerians are at fault forthis...yoruba's do to felow yorubas almost if not worse than they will do to other ibos...its not about tribe but the greed and that has been beaten into us by our leaders and numerous years of poverty

bro u still dey Yankee