malvisguy212: @ Rilwayne. GOD BLESS YOU.

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Rilwayne001:

and you too

proo212: @Rilwayne001, that is why I started from verse 15 for context. You chose to ignore that.



I'm sure you know that in this case the Ishmaelites were not in the midst of the Israelites. Also the brethren in their midst is not an Arab. They are fellow Israelites

Please think about this verse.

For verse 18, the Israelites at that time had 12 tribes and multitudes of people. How come not one King over Israel and Judah came from Midian?

Deuteronomy 18:15-22 (NIV)
15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.

16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die."

17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among THEIR brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

proo212: Actually there's no need to touch on the other points you raised.

proo212: You prophet did not fulfill any of the criteria in verses 15-22.

If you can prove without a shadow of a doubt, I will tackle the rest of your questions

FYI, we use scripture to interpret scripture. Over to you

Let us take the verse again..
Deuteronomy 18:15-22 (NIV)
15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.

Parallel Verses
New International Version
The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.

New Living Translation
Moses continued, "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.

King James Bible
The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

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proo212: Rilwayne001, You still will not address the context of the passage by starting from verse 15 and I quote again because you are deliberately trying to turn scripture on its head by omitting part of the text.

This is your quote.


This is what the verse says, the same NIV that you quoted and quietly omitted part of the text



This what the Hebrew text says


Again, I will not even attempt to answer any more questions until you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that an Arab or Ishmaelite is the prophet that will be raised for the Israelites.

I will not even address Exodus 24 and 33 because you want to insert a context and a meaning that is not intended by the scripture

proo212: Rilwayne, You still will not address the context of the passage by starting from verse 15 and I quote again because you are deliberately trying to turn scripture on its head by omitting part of the text.

This is your quote.


This is what the verse says, the same NIV that you quoted and quietly omitted part of the text



This what the Hebrew text says


Again, I will not even attempt to answer any more questions until you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that an Arab or Ishmaelite is the prophet that will be raised for the Israelites.

I will not even address Exodus 24 and 33 because you want to insert a context and a meaning that is not intended by the scripture

Rilwayne001: Within the multitude of religions that exist in the world today are three which consider themselves tocbe monotheistic--that is, faiths in which belief is centered around the One God.

A closer look, at two of these religions--Judaism and Islam- will show this to be true: both Jews and Muslims worship One God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

The other religion, that of Christianity, presents a problem,however, when it comes to the definition of monotheism as opposed to what Christianity stands for. Instead of making God the center of their faith, the Christians have turned their focus on Jesus, who is known to them as "Jesus Christ", or "Jesus the Anointed One". To the Jews, Jesus was "a nice Jewish boy"; to the Muslims, Jesus was a human prophet; one of God's Chosen Messengers. To the Christians, however, Jesus is much!!! more.

Christianity is focused on Jesus Christ. The religion takes its name from Jesus Christ. All Christian doctrines are centered Wxaround Jesus Christ. Major Christian holidays mark events in the life of Jesus Christ. The symbol of the Christian faith, a cross, is indicative of Jesus Christ. Prayers of the Christians
are addressed to Jesus Christ, as they consider God Himself to be unapproachable by a mere man.

According to Christian author Fritz Ridenour, "the key to Christianity is that Jesus Christ really is the reason for it all and that he is holding it all together."[1]

Many Christians today are unable to comprehend the existence of God without Jesus Christ standing there in the foreground for them. Mr. Ridenour says that Christianity is " .. a relationship with a person, Jesus Christ"[2], and all too many Christians are in this position: they know God in no other way but through Jesus Christ.

The Christians say they worship God, but Jesus is also right there in the picture. As they see him-- in addition to God--as being divine, Christianity is a religion with TWO gods, not one;and a religion with more than one God is not monotheistic.How did this situation come to be? How did the religion of Christianity turn a human prophet from God into a god himself?

Macelliot:
Galileans and Samaritans are the brethens of the Jews(making them all Israelites).
They are the one Moses was reffering to in that passage...
Israel has 12 tribes, After King Solomon's reign, Israel divided in two groups namely the Israelites(samaritan) and the Judeans/Judah(Jews).
ISRAELITES( Reuben, simon, Issachar, zebulun, gad, ashar, neptali, dan, manasseh and Eprahim 10 tribes).....
JUDAH( Judah and Benjamin 2 tribes)
Jews are the Judah/benjamin tribes. Israelites and Judeans are decendant of Jacob.

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Israelites are Jews, Galileans and Samaritans..
Joseph was a Galilean, Mary was a Jew(both are Israelites) so Jesus was half Galilean and half Jew......

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If Moses was reffering to then brethren among Israelites then it must be among the three(Jew, Galilean, Samaritan)...
Jesus was an half-Jew and half-Galilean(nazareth)....
The verse was reffering to Jesus Christ....
Jews, Samaritans and Galileans are all brethrens making up the Israelites.....
Thanks!

Rilwayne001:
Hogwash

Macelliot:
Hmm! Thanks 4 that!
God bless you!

Rilwayne001: You still have to counter claim my points about those point i raise about the phrase prophet like unto thee

Then you still have to tell me the prophet after christ, that the jew are talking about in john 1:20-21

Emusan:

In fact @Proos212 has done a good job already but I just want to remove small from your brainwashed brain of your below statement.

Emusan: Firstly, it's assumption at part of Muslims that the question is sequencial, that's why they always add 'AFTER CHRIST' to the question that the Jews asked John the Baptist.

Secondly, most Muslim scholars have linked this statement with Deu 18:18 in other to reinforced their fallacious claim. When they always fail in given a good answer to this simple question. Why did the Jews ask an Israelites (John the Baptist) and not any tribes? Since the prophecy didn't specify the location of prophet.

Emusan: Lastly, Muslims are found of bashing into Bible and pick whatever verse(s) they think it suit them and neglect others even within the same context.
They quoted the word of JEWS with John the Baptist but neglect the same testimony of this same JEWS in another part.

Emusan:
These are their testimony!

[color=blue]"Philip found Nathanael and said to him, ‘We have found him of whom Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.’" John 1:45
Remember Philip is a Jew

When the people saw the sign that he had done, they said, ‘This is indeed the Prophet who is to come into the world!’ Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself." John 6:14-15

Emusan:

Finally, Jesus Christ Himself said Moses wrote about Him. John 5:45-47[/color]

Emusan:
Note: Asking such question from John which seems as if the Christ to come is strictly different from the prophet Moses spoke about shows that they(the Jews) don't study their scriptures very well because they(the Jews) also thought that NO prophet will arise from Galille (which I believe is the point you're going to raise next) but FORGOTTEN that Jonah is a prophet from Gath which is in Galille.

Emusan: Stop following a wrong path which the end is destruction but the way, the truth and the life Jesus Christ which leads to eternal life.

Emusan: Shalom.

The.Big.Urban:


I hate this thread

Rilwayne001:
Attention seeker

Rilwayne001:
Matthew, chapter 16:”
14 They replied, "Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
Reading the above verses reveals the following:
1) Some of the Jews are confused about the identity of Jesus
2) Jesus admits he is the Messiah.

Examining the verses above reveals the following:
1) Some Jews thought he was The Prophet.
2) Others thought he was The Messiah.
3) The Jews are definitely confused.

We understand from the above verses that the Jews expected two characters; some other passages reveal three characters.

John 6:”14 When the people saw the sign he had done, they said, "This is truly THE PROPHET, the one who is to come into the world."
Now can we assume that the Jews were correct when they thought he was THE PROPHET? Were they not confused about his identity? The Jews were indeed confused.

We notice the following:
1) The Pharisees asked him about three characters. Presumably, they are well versed with the Old Testament.

2) We see the clear distinction between “The Prophet” and “The Messiah”.

3) John the Baptist did not object to their reasoning about the three characters and this is important to remember.

Reviewing the above we conclude:
1) Most of the Jews were in confusion about the identity of Jesus, was he The Prophet or The Messiah?

2) When they though he was The Prophet they tried to declare him as king but he escaped indicating that he is not that Prophet they were looking for and also for the reason mentioned by Jesus that he has no kingdom here on earth.

3) The Pharisees knew exactly who they were asking about when confronting John the Baptist

4) Jesus admitted that he was the Messiah.

Now Mr. Emusan kindly tell me who the PROPHET is?

Rilwayne001: Jesus never claimed to be THE PROPHET,

but according to the verses above he did claim that Moses wrote about him.

Could Jesus be one of those many prophets who would be sent to the Israelites? Yes he could.

We then could assume that Moses spoke about Jesus through the verses above.

Indeed Jesus called himself a prophet but he did not
call himself “The Prophet”.

Sadly though, according to the Trinitarians, this prophet of God (Jesus) was killed.

Now if we assume Deuteronomy (18:20) to be a true verse,

we are left with two choices, either Jesus was not a prophet and that is why he was killed

or he was indeed a prophet and was not actually killed. As a Muslim, I would take the second choice.

John should have been the one to correct them and not you,

he knew what the Pharisees were asking about and he answered them accordingly...

If otherwise he would have corrected them the way you are correcting them now.
Thus, makes your point baseless

Confutionist

May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon you

Rilwayne001: @emusan, i'll reply you later am very busy ryt now

Emusan:


Don't even border to reply because your comments always show that you don't want to tell yourself the truth.

The.Big.Urban:




Seeker of truth......thats a better title