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@Empire, really as far as NL dialogue/argument is concern, the biggest problem has always been: Many don't know how to separate politics from basics of religion.

Message of Imam khomeini after Islamic revolution of 1979 was UNITY OF MUSLIMS to defeat the zionist. He was tagged "shi'a - kufr" by the zionist created takfiri.

His successor, Ayatullah Ali khameini and many other leading Shi'a Mar'ji are also doing the same time immemorial. Yet the campaign is "shi'a - kufr".

Hizbullah (party of God) is the ONLY organization that has defeated Israel twice. A scholar of repute like Yusuf Qaradawih said "they are Hizbu-shaytan" (party of satan).

Where exactly are we heading?

Lol shia and predeliction for barefaced dishonesty, shia states anybody who does not believe in their system of imamah is a kufr, but it is worse khoemini with the same mouth he proclaimed unity he used to attack and slander pious companions of the prophet calling them names, even a mad man would not antagonise the same person who he wants to help me still he reffered to the Saudi regime as illegitimate yet he wanted them to hug after his many thoughtless remarks. It does not stop there khomeini went ahead and said the prophet pbuh is a failure as he failed in establishing justice on earth. Khomeini was not tied he turned around and said the Qur'an is not complete if this isn't kufr what is? From my understanding the fact that khomeini supporters almost stripped him naked during his burial is a sign that all is not well! Lol hezbo-shaytan is termed such because it has deliberately sided with a shia tyrant to murder Syrians who demanded better rights and dignity! And sorry hezbo-shaytan defeated who? Israel, this guy baqir is a joker, do u know what defeat means? The last time the evil Israel was in Lebanon they left behind cluster bombs which I heard still kills people in Lebanon south, upon that a flatened Lebanon southern most border and many civilian casualties, it is true Israel didn't gain a decisive victory but I don't think it means we should start making up stories to please ourselves with over 1119 casualty victory was far from hezbo-shaytan. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

AlBaqir: Message of Imam khomeini after Islamic revolution of 1979 was UNITY OF MUSLIMS to defeat the zionist. He was tagged "shi'a - kufr" by the zionist created takfiri.

His successor, Ayatullah Ali khameini and many other leading Shi'a Mar'ji are also doing the same time immemorial. Yet the campaign is "shi'a - kufr".

Hizbullah (party of God) is the ONLY organization that has defeated Israel twice. A scholar of repute like Yusuf Qaradawih said "they are Hizbu-shaytan" (party of satan).

Where exactly are we heading?

Ayataollah Khamenei talks unity while Iran of which he is the supreme leader murders sunni all the time
An Iranian doctor who had been very critical of Sunnis suddenly says that Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman are good men and the curses and abuses started to rain down on him
If you are preaching and a man from your side does not renkiunce his faith but just says the other side has a point, do you start cursing him?

If it is not Sunni V Shia, why are Iraqi soldiers murdering sunni PRISONERS? 250 at a go!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28274742

Iraqi security forces and government-affiliated militias appear to have executed at least 255 prisoners since 9 June, a human rights group says.

The killings appeared to be retaliation for attacks by the jihadist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis), Human Rights Watch said in a statement.

The prisoners were all Sunni Muslims, while the majority of security forces and militia were Shia, they added.

Meanwhile, Iraqi Kurds have reportedly taken over two oilfields in the north.

Most of the executions took place as Iraqi forces fled advancing Isis fighters, HRW said in a statement.

The killings took place in six Iraqi villages: Mosul, Tal Afar, Baquba, Jumarkhe, Rawa and Hilla, HRW reported.

'Killing sprees'
"The mass extrajudicial killings may be evidence of war crimes or crimes against humanity, and appear to be revenge killings for atrocities by Isis," the statement said.

Last month, Isis insurgents seized huge swathes of north-western Iraq. The group has gained a reputation for brutal rule in the areas that it controls.

Joe Stork, HRW's deputy Middle East director, said: "While the world rightly denounces the atrocious acts of Isis, it should not turn a blind eye to sectarian killing sprees by government and pro-government forces."

AlBaqir: @Empire, really as far as NL dialogue/argument is concern, the biggest problem has always been: Many don't know how to separate politics from basics of religion.

And you don't play politics
Iranian forces and other shia militants are fighting sunnis in Syria and Iraq
When will Shias fight fight Israel?

AlBaqir: Shabbir Rahmatullah Hassanally says
"It was very interesting a number of things that happened in the run up to this onslaught in Gaza.

Firstly, al-Baghdadi the BS so-called "caliph" of the Izlamic State (a Zionist creation no doubt) makes his appearance,
ZIONISM == NAZISM == FACISM == TAKFIRISM == ITS ALL THE SAME DAMN THING.

Oh yes, and above all - MADE IN THE USA.

End.

ISIS are thuggish murderers. PERIOD
I have nothing in common with mass murderers

Just like Shiism is also a Zionist creation


http://www.thestate.com/2014/07/08/3551948/un-islamic-state-executed-imam.html

GENEVA — The Islamic State’s executions of 13 Sunni Muslim clerics last month in Mosul, Iraq’s second largest city, were a move by the radical Sunni movement to silence moderate voices among Iraq’s Sunnis, and they deserve greater attention than they’ve received, the top United Nations expert on religious freedom said.

“Here a Sunni movement is executing Sunni religious leaders. That should make us think,” Heiner Bielefeldt, the U.N.’s special rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief, told McClatchy. “It’s important to focus more attention on these particular killings, because here we are not talking about Sunnis versus Shias. This is a very clear case of atrocities committed against their own people, against religious leaders from Sunni Islam who probably have a less simplistic understanding of what Islam means.”

The executions are particularly poignant after the appearance Friday of the Islamic State’s leader, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, leading prayers in Mosul’s Great Nurridin Mosque. One of the first clerics executed in Mosul, according to the United Nations, was the imam of that very mosque, Muhammad al Mansuri.

Mansuri was killed June 12, the U.N. said, for failing to pledge allegiance to the Islamic State. A 21-minute video the Islamic State released Saturday showed Baghdadi preaching from the same minbar, or pulpit, that Mansuri once occupied.

Twelve other Sunni clerics were executed June 14, the U.N. says.

Baghdadi has asserted that all Muslims owe allegiance to the Islamic caliphate _ which the Islamic State declared June 29 in the areas it controls in Syria and Iraq _ and to Baghdadi, who now calls himself Caliph Ibrahim.

Bielefeldt, a professor of human rights and human rights politics at the University of Erlangen-Nurnberg in Germany, said the purpose of such executions was to silence critics of extreme movements. Those who oppose the movement, he said, “don’t dare to say this publicly because it can be a matter of life and death.”

As for shiism
They never fight the Zionists for obvious reasons. Don't take my word for. Ayatollah Kamal Hydari has said it
Attempt will be made to refute Ayatollah Hydari but we recall that when Ayatollah Habeeb got angry with his shia brethrens, he confessed that Shia can lie so much that Iblis will take lessons from them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUKtIVVeVSc

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ISIS are thuggish murderers. PERIOD
I have nothing in common with mass murderers

Just like Shiism is also a Zionist creation


http://www.thestate.com/2014/07/08/3551948/un-islamic-state-executed-imam.html


As for shiism
They never fight the Zionists for obvious reasons. Don't take my word for. Ayatollah Kamal Hydari has said it
Attempt will be made to refute Ayatollah Hydari but we recall that when Ayatollah Habeeb got angry with his shia brethrens, he confessed that Shia can lie so much that Iblis will take lessons from them



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUKtIVVeVSc

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And you don't play politics
Iranian forces and other shia militants are fighting sunnis in Syria and Iraq
When will Shias fight fight Israel?

Now I fully understand how fanaticism affect intellect.

@bolded, Hizbullah led by Sayyid Hassan NasrAllah defeated Israeli forces TWICE.

So tell your brothers to stop killing innocent lives and forward match to Israel if dem fit.

BetaThings:
ISIS are thuggish murderers. PERIOD
I have nothing in common with mass murderers

why are they mass murderers? weren't they described as "Sunni rebels" fighting against the Shia led government in Baghdad?

Just like Shiism is also a Zionist creation
http://www.thestate.com/2014/07/08/3551948/un-islamic-state-executed-imam.html

if you say Shi'ism is a "Jewish creation", i can imagine the Abdullah Ibn Saba fable you have been taught and spoon fed. but to say it is a "Zionist creation", how did you come up with that?

As for shiism
They never fight the Zionists for obvious reasons. Don't take my word for. Ayatollah Kamal Hydari has said it

Syria is being attacked by Sunni Salafist/Wahhabi terrorists from around the world, backed by the zionist west, because Syria's Assad (who is Alawite, an offshoot of Shia Islam) refused to back down support for the palestinian resistance movements fighting israeli occupation. he also refused to make peace with israel, something that 2 Sunni led arab countries have done openly and many sunni led arab countries do secretly. just yesterday, i read an article how the saudi intelligence chief, a prince from the royal family, wrote an article in an israeli newspaper,haaretz, detailing his dreams of flying over to israel and also welcoming the zionist jews to saudi arabia.

your great hero, the one considered the most prominent sunni cleric, yusuf al-qaradawi was begging america to bomb syria. he has been tagged "the NATO sheikh".

Attempt will be made to refute Ayatollah Hydari but we recall that when Ayatollah Habeeb got angry with his shia brethrens, he confessed that Shia can lie so much that Iblis will take lessons from them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUKtIVVeVSc

it is unfortunate that many threads have been lost when nairaland suffered a cyber attack. otherwise these silly videos have been refuted. videos that deliberately mistranslate speeches of Shia clerics and then take the message out of context. throughout the video, i didnt hear a Shia cleric utter the word "Zionist" (Suhyooni) in arabic once! how does some Shia marji getting publicity on arabic or persian language western medias translate to the "zionist west choosing" our maraji? do you know that before a Shia scholar becomes a marji, conferred with the title of Ayatollah, he needs to study and get the approval seal of two other contemporary maraji? how did they manage to interject and place the word "zionist"? Ayatollah Kamal al-Haidary was posing a rhetorical question, obviously in a context. there are many ahadiths in the books of the Sunnis that are called "ISRA'ILIYYAT" (or "tales of the israelites" ) which are fictitious stories that crept into the body of Sunni hadith literature. take note: these Isra'iliyyat were not even just hadiths transmitted by Jews or Ahlul-Kitab. they were hadiths based on fictitious stories or Jewish beliefs that crept into your ahadith. check what is "Isra'iliyyat". on the other hand, Ayatollah Haidary is talking of hadiths "narrated" by Ahlul-Kitab. we Shia dont cal our hadith books "sahih" (authentic) like you sunnis do. we are honets enough to accept the fact that an entire book of hadiths cannot be "sahih" and only the Holy Quran as an entire book is "sahih". what was the context of the sentence of Ayatollah Haidary the wahhabis who made that video cut out? it is a catastrophe when your intellect is sold to the devil. you obviously live your life brainwashing yourself with doctored videos that teach you on how to hate the Shia and spread propaganda about their scholars.

and for people who would dare not fight israeli occupation or defend their sunni palestinian brothers and have submitted their lives, i wonder if it truly hurt you for the Shia to stand with the west or the zionists. your brothers, as we type, are being torn into pieces in gaza. they are using weapons that the Shia of Iran, Lebanon and Syria have supplied them with to defend themselves. where are the saudi and sunni weapons given to your sunni brothers in gaza to defend themselves? the Shia have been demonized simply because they stood for the palestinian rights and against israeli occupation. yet, we have fools who would thank the Shia by blowing them up in Iraq, Pakistan, Syria and Lebanon. and otherwise who would doctor clips to attack Shia scholars. actually, with the enmity and hatred the Sunnis have for the Shia, whether the Shia support the palestinians or not, why should the Shia nations even support the palestinians against israel? this is the same israel that was taking in sunni fighters in syria's golan across the border to receive treatment inside israel.yet, the same hamas that got iranian support and Shia weapons to fight occupation ended up backstabbing the Shia and went to join the Sunni terrorists and alqaeda in syria to fight against the Shia groups like hezbollah that are supporting bashar al-assad's syrian government forces.

this (the below video) is what bashar al-assad did to then israeli PM while Sunni rulers were rushing to kiss his a**, and for this reason bashar has paid enormously. you are an ungrateful and ignorant nation built on hatred and who celebrate deceit and rejoice in lies:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY5Z4OKq28o

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And you don't play politics
Iranian forces and other shia militants are fighting sunnis in Syria and Iraq
When will Shias fight fight Israel?

so hezbollah of lebanon isnt Shia?

the weapons your sunni brothers in palestine use are not Shia made weapons from syria, iran and lebanon? why is the west so mad with iran if not sticking to the palestinian cause against israeli occupation? an ungrateful people you are. i am not shocked though. if you caliphate system can behead the grandson of Muhammad (sa) and you dont blink an eye, your ingratitude isnt shocking when done to any other.

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Ayataollah Khamenei talks unity while Iran of which he is the supreme leader murders sunni all the time

which sunnis did he murder? is it the likes of abdul-maliki rigi who was the head of iran's boko haram version called "jundulllah"? i am confused how in one instance you call ISIS "murderers" and on the other hand you associate terrorists fighting the Shia as "Sunnis". even ISIS was initiallly labeled "sunni rebels" before they launched their caliphate which became a threat to sunni led countries themselves. it is alright for terrorists to murder Shias and Christians, but they become murderers when they start lynching Sunnis. when you support injustice, oppression and bloodshed against others who have different beliefs, your injustice will one day come back to haunt you. remember this. now ISIS is knocking on the doorsteps of saudi arabia and jordan (sunni led countries).

An Iranian doctor who had been very critical of Sunnis suddenly says that Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman are good men and the curses and abuses started to rain down on him

any reference to back that up? an iranian doctor saying this or that wouldnt change the fact of who abu bakr and umar and usthman were. who murdered Malik Ibn Nuwayrah (ISIS-style)? who massacred the Banu Yerbo for refusing to pay zakat to abu bakr's usurped caliphate and declared an entire clan as "apostates"? what is the difference between Abu Bakr, your first caliph, and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the caliph of ISIS you call "murderers"? i see no difference. the only difference is that there was no internet back then to exposing the atrocities of your heroes and many records were banished. however, not enough was banished to eliminate the truth.

If you are preaching and a man from your side does not renkiunce his faith but just says the other side has a point, do you start cursing him?

If it is not Sunni V Shia, why are Iraqi soldiers murdering sunni PRISONERS? 250 at a go!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28274742

Iraqi soldiers are not "murdering" Sunni prisoners. these Sunni prisoners are murderers who were arrested in anti-terrorist operations. you quickly convert those you describe as "murderers" and "terrorists" when they are being dealt with by the Shia. is it a crime for Shia security forces in Iraq or elsewhere to combat Sunni terrorists? how was Muhammmad Yusuf of boko haram and his men exterminated by Sunni Umaru Musa Yaradua's government? even though that was extra-judicial killing, terrorists dont deserve any better treatment. wasting time and money to try them and feed them in prison only emboldens them.

i am really confused how someone like you (of course an hypocrite) is quick to sound the alarm about Sunnis in Iraq, when Shias have been targeted and killed by Sunni suicide bombers since the fall of saddam. their mosques and holy places have been desecrated and bombed and Shia civilians killed in their hundreds of thousands. have you forgotten this thread:

"A Timeline Of Sectarian Terrorism Against Shia Muslims"
https://www.nairaland.com/961495/timeline-sectarian-terrorism-against-shia

do you condemn those attacks too that have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shias since 2003? do you have any shame? what silly "islam" are you preaching? or what have you benefitted from religon as a whole if you are as filthy as a beast and so inhumane to ignore the sufferings your terror brothers inflict on others? when would you start supporting boko haram terrorists and claim the christian administration of Goodluck is targeting SUnnis? oh wait!!!! your likes have already tried to vindicate the terrorists by claiming your northern brothers are "marginalize". how can you claim marginalization when northerners have ruled this country the most? i am not supporting any government or party, and i try to stay clear of politics.however, the attempt to make yourselves look the victims and to manipulate every incident into a religious or sectarian feud is sick. members of your community and in the name of your religion (unfortunately they speak in the name of Islam at large which they dont represent) commit the most atrocities but yet you are quick to claim to be the victims.

vedaxcool: Lol shia and predeliction for barefaced dishonesty, shia states anybody who does not believe in their system of imamah is a kufr, but it is worse khoemini with the same mouth he proclaimed unity he used to attack and slander pious companions of the prophet calling them names, even a mad man would not antagonise the same person who he wants to help me still he reffered to the Saudi regime as illegitimate yet he wanted them to hug after his many thoughtless remarks. It does not stop there khomeini went ahead and said the prophet pbuh is a failure as he failed in establishing justice on earth. Khomeini was not tied he turned around and said the Qur'an is not complete if this isn't kufr what is? From my understanding the fact that khomeini supporters almost stripped him naked during his burial is a sign that all is not well! Lol hezbo-shaytan is termed such because it has deliberately sided with a shia tyrant to murder Syrians who demanded better rights and dignity! And sorry hezbo-shaytan defeated who? Israel, this guy baqir is a joker, do u know what defeat means? The last time the evil Israel was in Lebanon they left behind cluster bombs which I heard still kills people in Lebanon south, upon that a flatened Lebanon southern most border and many civilian casualties, it is true Israel didn't gain a decisive victory but I don't think it means we should start making up stories to please ourselves with over 1119 casualty victory was far from hezbo-shaytan. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

you type lot of nonsense. just two sentences are enough to reply your nonsense:

the people of Gaza are resisting israeli occupation and defending themselves against the Zionist onslaught using (Shia) Iranian and Syrian made weapons.

your (Sunni) heroes fighting against Assad are using American and Israeli weapons and are being treated in Israeli hospitals across the border from the Syrian occupied Golan Heights.

do you still need more explanation to understand the conflict in Syria? do you need more to realize that there is a deliberate attempt to ignite a Sunni-Shia war in the middle east? when would Sunnis get a little smarter? are all of you the same all over the world?

Sunni led countries have either shied away from their responsibility towards the Palestinians, or have joined the American-Israeli bandwagon to submit to Zionist schemes. you have abandoned Imam Hussain (as) and today you have abandoned the people of Gaza and Palestine. they haven't only abandoned, they behave as if it doesn't even concern them!!! Imam Hussain (as) cried and said: is there any helper to help us? today the people of Gaza are crying: is there any helper to help us? and only the Shia of Muhammad, Ali and Hussain (as) have answered their calls while Sunni powers are complicit in flaming sectarian flames and giving support to terrorist groups targeting the Shia civilians in Iraq and fighting Assad in Syria. you guys should wake up!!! the ummah is in trouble and non-Muslim powers are happy we are killing ourselves, and also, they are happy with those terrorist groups that commit havoc and kill innocent civilians, who are different from them in beliefs, and then, they attribute their act to Islam.

Patrick Cockburn

Sunday 13 July 2014

Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country

A speech by an ex-MI6 boss hints that it has been the Saudis' plan all along

How far is Saudi Arabia complicit in the Isis takeover of much of northern Iraq, and is it stoking an escalating Sunni-Shia conflict across the Islamic world? Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: "The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them."

The fatal moment predicted by Prince Bandar may now have come for many Shia, with Saudi Arabia playing an important role in bringing it about by supporting the anti-Shia jihad in Iraq and Syria. Since the capture of Mosul by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) on 10 June, Shia women and children have been killed in villages south of Kirkuk, and Shia air force cadets machine-gunned and buried in mass graves near Tikrit.

In Mosul, Shia shrines and mosques have been blown up, and in the nearby Shia Turkoman city of Tal Afar 4,000 houses have been taken over by Isis fighters as "spoils of war". Simply to be identified as Shia or a related sect, such as the Alawites, in Sunni rebel-held parts of Iraq and Syria today, has become as dangerous as being a Jew was in Nazi-controlled parts of Europe in 1940.

There is no doubt about the accuracy of the quote by Prince Bandar, secretary-general of the Saudi National Security Council from 2005 and head of General Intelligence between 2012 and 2014, the crucial two years when al-Qa'ida-type jihadis took over the Sunni-armed opposition in Iraq and Syria. Speaking at the Royal United Services Institute last week, Dearlove, who headed MI6 from 1999 to 2004, emphasised the significance of Prince Bandar's words, saying that they constituted "a chilling comment that I remember very well indeed".

He does not doubt that substantial and sustained funding from private donors in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, to which the authorities may have turned a blind eye, has played a central role in the Isis surge into Sunni areas of Iraq. He said: "Such things simply do not happen spontaneously." This sounds realistic since the tribal and communal leadership in Sunni majority provinces is much beholden to Saudi and Gulf paymasters, and would be unlikely to cooperate with Isis without their consent.

Dearlove's explosive revelation about the prediction of a day of reckoning for the Shia by Prince Bandar, and the former head of MI6's view that Saudi Arabia is involved in the Isis-led Sunni rebellion, has attracted surprisingly little attention. Coverage of Dearlove's speech focused instead on his main theme that the threat from Isis to the West is being exaggerated because, unlike Bin Laden's al-Qa'ida, it is absorbed in a new conflict that "is essentially Muslim on Muslim". Unfortunately, Christians in areas captured by Isis are finding this is not true, as their churches are desecrated and they are forced to flee. A difference between al-Qa'ida and Isis is that the latter is much better organised; if it does attack Western targets the results are likely to be devastating.

The forecast by Prince Bandar, who was at the heart of Saudi security policy for more than three decades, that the 100 million Shia in the Middle East face disaster at the hands of the Sunni majority, will convince many Shia that they are the victims of a Saudi-led campaign to crush them. "The Shia in general are getting very frightened after what happened in northern Iraq," said an Iraqi commentator, who did not want his name published. Shia see the threat as not only military but stemming from the expanded influence over mainstream Sunni Islam of Wahhabism, the puritanical and intolerant version of Islam espoused by Saudi Arabia that condemns Shia and other Islamic sects as non-Muslim apostates and polytheists.

Dearlove says that he has no inside knowledge obtained since he retired as head of MI6 10 years ago to become Master of Pembroke College in Cambridge. But, drawing on past experience, he sees Saudi strategic thinking as being shaped by two deep-seated beliefs or attitudes. First, they are convinced that there "can be no legitimate or admissible challenge to the Islamic purity of their Wahhabi credentials as guardians of Islam's holiest shrines". But, perhaps more significantly given the deepening Sunni-Shia confrontation, the Saudi belief that they possess a monopoly of Islamic truth leads them to be "deeply attracted towards any militancy which can effectively challenge Shia-dom".

Western governments traditionally play down the connection between Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabist faith, on the one hand, and jihadism, whether of the variety espoused by Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida or by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's Isis. There is nothing conspiratorial or secret about these links: 15 out of 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, as was Bin Laden and most of the private donors who funded the operation.

The difference between al-Qa'ida and Isis can be overstated: when Bin Laden was killed by United States forces in 2011, al-Baghdadi released a statement eulogising him, and Isis pledged to launch 100 attacks in revenge for his death.

But there has always been a second theme to Saudi policy towards al-Qa'ida type jihadis, contradicting Prince Bandar's approach and seeing jihadis as a mortal threat to the Kingdom. Dearlove illustrates this attitude by relating how, soon after 9/11, he visited the Saudi capital Riyadh with Tony Blair.

He remembers the then head of Saudi General Intelligence "literally shouting at me across his office: '9/11 is a mere pinprick on the West. In the medium term, it is nothing more than a series of personal tragedies. What these terrorists want is to destroy the House of Saud and remake the Middle East.'" In the event, Saudi Arabia adopted both policies, encouraging the jihadis as a useful tool of Saudi anti-Shia influence abroad but suppressing them at home as a threat to the status quo. It is this dual policy that has fallen apart over the last year.

Saudi sympathy for anti-Shia "militancy" is identified in leaked US official documents. The then US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote in December 2009 in a cable released by Wikileaks that "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qa'ida, the Taliban, LeT [Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan] and other terrorist groups." She said that, in so far as Saudi Arabia did act against al-Qa'ida, it was as a domestic threat and not because of its activities abroad. This policy may now be changing with the dismissal of Prince Bandar as head of intelligence this year. But the change is very recent, still ambivalent and may be too late: it was only last week that a Saudi prince said he would no longer fund a satellite television station notorious for its anti-Shia bias based in Egypt.

The problem for the Saudis is that their attempts since Bandar lost his job to create an anti-Maliki and anti-Assad Sunni constituency which is simultaneously against al-Qa'ida and its clones have failed.

By seeking to weaken Maliki and Assad in the interest of a more moderate Sunni faction, Saudi Arabia and its allies are in practice playing into the hands of Isis which is swiftly gaining full control of the Sunni opposition in Syria and Iraq. In Mosul, as happened previously in its Syrian capital Raqqa, potential critics and opponents are disarmed, forced to swear allegiance to the new caliphate and killed if they resist.

The West may have to pay a price for its alliance with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies, which have always found Sunni jihadism more attractive than democracy. A striking example of double standards by the western powers was the Saudi-backed suppression of peaceful democratic protests by the Shia majority in Bahrain in March 2011. Some 1,500 Saudi troops were sent across the causeway to the island kingdom as the demonstrations were ended with great brutality and Shia mosques and shrines were destroyed.

An alibi used by the US and Britain is that the Sunni al-Khalifa royal family in Bahrain is pursuing dialogue and reform. But this excuse looked thin last week as Bahrain expelled a top US diplomat, the assistant secretary of state for human rights Tom Malinowksi, for meeting leaders of the main Shia opposition party al-Wifaq. Mr Malinowski tweeted that the Bahrain government's action was "not about me but about undermining dialogue".

Western powers and their regional allies have largely escaped criticism for their role in reigniting the war in Iraq. Publicly and privately, they have blamed the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for persecuting and marginalising the Sunni minority, so provoking them into supporting the Isis-led revolt. There is much truth in this, but it is by no means the whole story. Maliki did enough to enrage the Sunni, partly because he wanted to frighten Shia voters into supporting him in the 30 April election by claiming to be the Shia community's protector against Sunni counter-revolution.

But for all his gargantuan mistakes, Maliki's failings are not the reason why the Iraqi state is disintegrating. What destabilised Iraq from 2011 on was the revolt of the Sunni in Syria and the takeover of that revolt by jihadis, who were often sponsored by donors in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and United Arab Emirates. Again and again Iraqi politicians warned that by not seeking to close down the civil war in Syria, Western leaders were making it inevitable that the conflict in Iraq would restart. "I guess they just didn't believe us and were fixated on getting rid of [President Bashar al-] Assad," said an Iraqi leader in Baghdad last week.

Of course, US and British politicians and diplomats would argue that they were in no position to bring an end to the Syrian conflict. But this is misleading. By insisting that peace negotiations must be about the departure of Assad from power, something that was never going to happen since Assad held most of the cities in the country and his troops were advancing, the US and Britain made sure the war would continue.

The chief beneficiary is Isis which over the last two weeks has been mopping up the last opposition to its rule in eastern Syria. The Kurds in the north and the official al-Qa'ida representative, Jabhat al-Nusra, are faltering under the impact of Isis forces high in morale and using tanks and artillery captured from the Iraqi army. It is also, without the rest of the world taking notice, taking over many of the Syrian oil wells that it did not already control.

Saudi Arabia has created a Frankenstein's monster over which it is rapidly losing control. The same is true of its allies such as Turkey which has been a vital back-base for Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra by keeping the 510-mile-long Turkish-Syrian border open. As Kurdish-held border crossings fall to Isis, Turkey will find it has a new neighbour of extraordinary violence, and one deeply ungrateful for past favours from the Turkish intelligence service.

As for Saudi Arabia, it may come to regret its support for the Sunni revolts in Syria and Iraq as jihadi social media begins to speak of the House of Saud as its next target. It is the unnamed head of Saudi General Intelligence quoted by Dearlove after 9/11 who is turning out to have analysed the potential threat to Saudi Arabia correctly and not Prince Bandar, which may explain why the latter was sacked earlier this year.

Nor is this the only point on which Prince Bandar was dangerously mistaken. The rise of Isis is bad news for the Shia of Iraq but it is worse news for the Sunni whose leadership has been ceded to a pathologically bloodthirsty and intolerant movement, a sort of Islamic Khmer Rouge, which has no aim but war without end.

The Sunni caliphate rules a large, impoverished and isolated area from which people are fleeing. Several million Sunni in and around Baghdad are vulnerable to attack and 255 Sunni prisoners have already been massacred. In the long term, Isis cannot win, but its mix of fanaticism and good organisation makes it difficult to dislodge.

"God help the Shia," said Prince Bandar, but, partly thanks to him, the shattered Sunni communities of Iraq and Syria may need divine help even more than the Shia.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html

LagosShia:
you type lot of nonsense. just two sentences are enough to reply your nonsense:

Your opinion after all my post on page 1 made u logout for a period of reflection!

LagosShia:
the people of Gaza are resisting israeli occupation and defending themselves against the Zionist onslaught using (Shia) Iranian and Syrian made weapons.

Really? that means Iran supplied Hamas with weapons that are largely ineffective. In essence the two you mentioned gave help that brought no change instead has guaranteed the un-aveneged deaths of many Palestines, but we both known you are a victim of propaganda, Hamas produces most of its weapons, instead of acting like a droid, maybe for once in your adult life, learn to confirm what every your handlers tell you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_domestic_weapons_production

LagosShia:
your (Sunni) heroes fighting against Assad are using American and Israeli weapons and are being treated in Israeli hospitals across the border from the Syrian occupied Golan Heights.

Yawns!! I wonder how different it is from Khomeini who hid his butt in France to save himself? and have you watched betathings video? You really need to see how corrupt your Ayatollahism is!

LagosShia:
do you still need more explanation to understand the conflict in Syria? do you need more to realize that there is a deliberate attempt to ignite a Sunni-Shia war in the middle east? when would Sunnis get a little smarter? are all of you the same all over the world?

Going by the threads you and your buddies open on nl, it seems the bold is your objective here! As for being smart, I think sunnis are doing better than people who follow the line of the thinking below:



So much for being smart

vedaxcool:
Your opinion after all my post on page 1 made u logout for a period of reflection!

dont flatter yourself. often times you are not responded to because you dont deserve the honor of a reply. so dont be surprised when you dont get replies.

Really? that means Iran supplied Hamas with weapons that are largely ineffective. In essence the two you mentioned gave help that brought no change instead has guaranteed the un-aveneged deaths of many Palestines, but we both known you are a victim of propaganda, Hamas produces most of its weapons, instead of acting like a droid, maybe for once in your adult life, learn to confirm what every your handlers tell you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_domestic_weapons_production

and who passed the technology to them? read online or try google for help. Iranian Shia scientists have crossed the border into Gaza to teach your brothers how to do these things (instead of smuggling these weapons all the times through tunnels form Gaza to Egypt that your Sunni Egyptian brothers often times would demolish when they discover them to please israel). and the link you presented is of very old projectiles that the palestinians dont even use presently with the exception of the al-qassam rockets. on the news, you only hear of al-qassam rockets, grad missiles, and the indigenous iranian fajr 5 missiles.

again, ungrateful people. tell your terrorist ISIS caliph and his saudi wahhabi terror sponsors to send them his "effective" missiles. or may be he should sell his swiss watch he was flaunting in his khutbah to buy the palestinians weapons. silly!

Yawns!! I wonder how different it is from Khomeini who hid his butt in France to save himself? and have you watched betathings video? You really need to see how corrupt your Ayatollahism is!

look at your manners. and you claim to be fasting, right? it is just a matter of time before you declare your apostacy. i have long doubted your faith in Islam, even as a Sunni. i have watched the video and i have responded. do you want videos that would expose your government employed muftis who trade on fatwas? have you forgotten the silly fatwas in the below thread, or you want to claim your ulama are all geniuses and honorable men?:

https://www.nairaland.com/976055/tomatoes-christian-egyptian-salafist-group

Going by the threads you and your buddies open on nl, it seems the bold is your objective here! As for being smart, I think sunnis are doing better than people who follow the line of the thinking below:

So much for being smart

those people who inflict harm on their bodies out of love, guided by philosophical arguments and rationality, are still better than those your Sunni fanatics who blow themselves and others-who dont believe as them- up out of pure hatred. and the percentage of those Shia who carry the act of self-flagellation in commemorating the Tragedy of Karbala your caliph committed against the Household of the Porphet are not up to 5%. and this act has greatly being discouraged by the consensus of Shia ulama. you should be happy though the Shia are cutting themselves. they are helping your brothers who has made it their job to blow up Shia and Christians and all those who disagree with their silly extremist ideologies, different from the rationality of the Quran presented in verse 16:125 and 2:156.

the problem is you cannot set a line between what is religion and what is politics. that is because you are like cattle but more astray (as the Holy Quran describe your likes). everything and every nonsense,off-topic, red herring, insult, and garbage are to score points and make cheap shots at others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCVU24GX3J4&feature=youtu.be

LagosShia:

which sunnis did he murder? is it the likes of abdul-maliki rigi who was the head of iran's boko haram version called "jundulllah"? i am confused how in one instance you call ISIS "murderers" and on the other hand you associate terrorists fighting the Shia as "Sunnis". even ISIS was initiallly labeled "sunni rebels" before they launched their caliphate which became a threat to sunni led countries themselves. it is alright for terrorists to murder Shias and Christians, but they become murderers when they start lynching Sunnis. when you support injustice, oppression and bloodshed against others who have different beliefs, your injustice will one day come back to haunt you. remember this. now ISIS is knocking on the doorsteps of saudi arabia and jordan (sunni led countries).
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LagosShia:

so hezbollah of lebanon isnt Shia?

the weapons your sunni brothers in palestine use are not Shia made weapons from syria, iran and lebanon? why is the west so mad with iran if not sticking to the palestinian cause against israeli occupation? an ungrateful people you are. i am not shocked though. if you caliphate system can behead the grandson of Muhammad (sa) and you dont blink an eye, your ingratitude isnt shocking when done to any other.

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LagosShia:

why are they mass murderers? weren't they described as "Sunni rebels" fighting against the Shia led government in Baghdad?



if you say Shi'ism is a "Jewish creation", i can imagine the Abdullah Ibn Saba fable you have been taught and spoon fed. but to say it is a "Zionist creation", how did you come up with that?

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Rafidi: Sunni led countries have either shied away from their responsibility towards the Palestinians, or have joined the American-Israeli bandwagon to submit to Zionist schemes. you have abandoned Imam Hussain (as) and today you have abandoned the people of Gaza and Palestine. they haven't only abandoned, they behave as if it doesn't even concern them!!! Imam Hussain (as) cried and said: is there any helper to help us? today the people of Gaza are crying: is there any helper to help us? and only the Shia of Muhammad, Ali and Hussain (as) have answered their calls while Sunni powers are complicit in flaming sectarian flames and giving support to terrorist groups targeting the Shia civilians in Iraq and fighting Assad in Syria. you guys should wake up!!! the ummah is in trouble and non-Muslim powers are happy we are killing ourselves, and also, they are happy with those terrorist groups that commit havoc and kill innocent civilians, who are different from them in beliefs, and then, they attribute their act to Islam.

Please tell me show much Iran spends in Palestine and how much does Saudi Arabia spends in the same place
They are miles part
If A spends more than B and is still accused of abandoning the recipient of the financial support, then it is clear that we are not dealing with the truth and sincerity
But propaganda

I have always asked why just Palestine, What do the Shias do to support oppressed Muslims in Myamar, Sri Lanka and China
And why are Shias so close to Russia, a country that has always vowed to be cruel to Muslims in Chenchya
At least Russia is not a Muslim country - you don't have to choose sides
I only see propaganda because people don't follow international news closely

Again, I challenge you to please IN THE NAME OF ALLAH tell us how much each of the TWO countries (Saudi Arabia - Sunni country - And Iran - Shia country)) spend to support Palestinians

LagosShia:
dont flatter yourself. often times you are not responded to because you dont deserve the honor of a reply. so dont be surprised when you dont get replies.

even lagosshia dey form ignore when he is the most ignored man in the Islam Section

LagosShia:
and who passed the technology to them? read online or try google for help. Iranian Shia scientists have crossed the border into Gaza to teach your brothers how to do these things (instead of smuggling these weapons all the times through tunnels form Gaza to Egypt that your Sunni Egyptian brothers often times would demolish when they discover them to please israel). and the link you presented is of very old projectiles that the palestinians dont even use presently with the exception of the al-qassam rockets. on the news, you only hear of al-qassam rockets, grad missiles, and the indigenous iranian fajr 5 missiles.

Now it is passing them technology not weapons? LMAO you can keep restating your conjectures, if it allows u to sleep well at night this same Egyptian regime you were celebrating is now bad for demolishing the tunnels? You see why you simply lack principles, hence you swerve on every issue!!!

LagosShia:
again, ungrateful people. tell your terrorist ISIS caliph and his saudi wahhabi terror sponsors to send them his "effective" missiles. or may be he should sell his swiss watch he was flaunting in his khutbah to buy the palestinians weapons. silly!

Why don't you tell him, since he is the leader of shia al qaeda

LagosShia:
look at your manners. and you claim to be fasting, right? it is just a matter of time before you declare your apostacy. i have long doubted your faith in Islam, even as a Sunni. i have watched the video and i have responded. do you want videos that would expose your government employed muftis who trade on fatwas? have you forgotten the silly fatwas in the below thread, or you want to claim your ulama are all geniuses and honorable men?:
https://www.nairaland.com/976055/tomatoes-christian-egyptian-salafist-group

Your blind fanaticism is blocking your understanding of figure of speech! it is ironic that one as manner-less as you would be making such claim. My point remains khomeini your hero hid in France to save his neck, where he was given protection etc, what is wrong if rebels use weapons from the west in pursuing their goals? If you can't answer say pass!! Responded to what Video? I didn't see any response About silly fatwas, i remeber posting just one by a shia last ramadan, you almost went mad with rage, there are countless fatwa that seems to dwell on fatansies of certgain shia ayatollahs! that if I were to post, this section will quake! https://www.nairaland.com/1366968/shia-ayatollah-issues-fatwa-permitting do need more

LagosShia:
those people who inflict harm on their bodies out of love, guided by philosophical arguments and rationality, are still better than those your Sunni fanatics who blow themselves and others-who dont believe as them- up out of pure hatred. and the percentage of those Shia who carry the act of self-flagellation in commemorating the Tragedy of Karbala your caliph committed against the Household of the Porphet are not up to 5%. and this act has greatly being discouraged by the consensus of Shia ulama. you should be happy though the Shia are cutting themselves. they are helping your brothers who has made it their job to blow up Shia and Christians and all those who disagree with their silly extremist ideologies, different from the rationality of the Quran presented in verse 16:125 and 2:156.
the problem is you cannot set a line between what is religion and what is politics. that is because you are like cattle but more astray (as the Holy Quran describe your likes). everything and every nonsense,off-topic, red herring, insult, and garbage are to score points and make cheap shots at others.

I thought we were talking of people being smart not justification for foolishness?

BetaThings:
Please tell me show much Iran spends in Palestine and how much does Saudi Arabia spends in the same place
They are miles part
If A spends more than B and is still accused of abandoning the recipient of the financial support, then it is clear that we are not dealing with the truth and sincerity
But propaganda
I have always asked why just Palestine, What do the Shias do to support oppressed Muslims in Myamar, Sri Lanka and China
And why are Shias so close to Russia, a country that has always vowed to be cruel to Muslims in Chenchya
At least Russia is not a Muslim country - you don't have to choose sides
I only see propaganda because people don't follow international news closely
Again, I challenge you to please IN THE NAME OF ALLAH tell us how much each of the TWO countries (Saudi Arabia - Sunni country - And Iran - Shia country)) spend to support Palestinians

two points you raised there. first, comparing saudi and iranian aid to the palestinians. the western countries which are not Islamic donate more than what muslim countries donate to the palestinians. they send blankets, tents, and food. the iranians send both cash and weapons. raw cash, and not bags of rice, flour or wheat (or whatever is the staple food for palestinians). your saudi MAY be sending dates and other food stuffs. i really dont have figures to give you. what the palestinians need is to free their land and stop being beggars for food. the iranians provide the much needed means for them to resist occupation with the hope of freeing their land. otherwise, israel will continue building settlements and expelling more palestinians from their land. the palestinian cause is kept alive through the palestinians being able to maintain their ground and keep their cause alive for freedom. at a point when hamas won the election and took contorl of gaza, the west and its puppets like saudi cut of aid to hamas controlled gaza. the iranian aid wasnt cut off.

on why the Shia powers are close to Russia. the Shia dont believe in civil wars or dividing nations or tearing them apart and then mislabel the destruction as "jihad". the russian-chechnyan conflict is a civil war. those so called "jihadists" (backed by the same people backing the terrorists in syria) do not represent the chechnyan people. they are fighting their so called "jihad" just as boko haram also imagine the destruction it is carrying out is "jihad". the russians and chechyans are living side by side and indigenes of their lands. the case of chechnya isnt the same as that of palestine. the israelis were europeans who left their countries after world war 2 to settle in palestine and evict others. the chechnya is autonomous and russian ruled. they are an ethnicity in russia. if you want to condemn the russian administration, then you'd have to condemn Umar for taking over persia and palestine and having the arabians administer their rule over those lands. the main difference between israel and russia/umar is the people are living on their land and are not told to leave or replaced by foreigners as the case with the israeli invasion and occupation of palestine. it is not every time an ethnicity wants self rule that you take up arms to fight the central government, plunder lives and property and then in the name of Islam you want to blackmail me into supporting salafist terror groups. do you support biafra? i am sure you will type pages to oppose biafra. by the way, what are chechnyan (salafi/wahhabi mercenaries/terrorists) doing fighting in syria and iraq? are they fighting against russia? or they are fighting against other muslims for sectarian and terror aims? as for places like burma, the Shia are in full support of any oppressed people, whether muslim or even non-muslim. you should use google to answer most of these questions you ask. search for the positions of Shia personalities on the genocide in burma.

AlBaqir:

Now I fully understand how fanaticism affect intellect.

@bolded, Hizbullah led by Sayyid Hassan NasrAllah defeated Israeli forces TWICE.

So tell your brothers to stop killing innocent lives and forward match to Israel if dem fit.

Defeated?
Let us stop deceiving ourselves
Since you talk about intellect,we can delve deeper into this matter
Do you believe that Hezbollah is stronger than Syria?
On the 2 occasions that Israel attacked Syria within the past 3 years, Syria did not fight back
Do you think that Syria is stupid?

Fighting some terrorists within a country is different from fighting a country
If Hezbollah really threatens Israel, you will see a real war
And I really pray that it does not come about at this time
Because we know the result
Even Iran, the mightiest of the Shias, cannot defeat Israel now

BetaThings:

Defeated?
Let us stop deceiving ourselves
Since you talk about intellect,we can delve deeper into this matter
Do you believe that Hezbollah is stronger than Syria?
On the 2 occasions that Israel attacked Syria within the past 3 years, Syria did not fight back
Do you think that Syria is stupid?

Fighting some terrorists within a country is different from fighting a country
If Hezbollah really threatens Israel, you will see a real war
And I really pray that it does not come about at this time
Because we know the result
Even Iran, the mightiest of the Shias, cannot defeat Israel now

Turkey is the only Muslim country with superior military strength to Israel according to global rankings.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

But we know wars are not just won by rankings, The early muslims faced impossible odds and were victorious. Victory comes from Allah.

It will take an excellent strategy to defeat a stronger army. If the gap is not too wide, it is achieveable.

BetaThings:
Defeated?
Let us stop deceiving ourselves
Since you talk about intellect,we can delve deeper into this matter
Do you believe that Hezbollah is stronger than Syria?
On the 2 occasions that Israel attacked Syria within the past 3 years, Syria did not fight back
Do you think that Syria is stupid?
Fighting some terrorists within a country is different from fighting a country
If Hezbollah really threatens Israel, you will see a real war
And I really pray that it does not come about at this time
Because we know the result
Even Iran, the mightiest of the Shias, cannot defeat Israel now

let your Sunni palestinian brothers answer your nonsense. a foolish brainwashed salafist/wahhabi skull somewhere in west africa is running his mouth on what he doesnt know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoO9sDyJPNY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKHpTTvfAIQ

Rafidi:
on why the Shia powers are close to Russia. the Shia dont believe in civil wars or dividing nations or tearing them apart and then mislabel the destruction as "jihad". the russian-chechnyan conflict is a civil war. those so called "jihadists" (backed by the same people backing the terrorists in syria) do not represent the chechnyan people. they are fighting their so called "jihad" just as boko haram also imagine the destruction it is carrying out is "jihad". the russians and chechyans are living side by side and indigenes of their lands. the case of chechnya isnt the same as that of palestine. the israelis were europeans who left their countries after world war 2 to settle in palestine and evict others. the chechnya is autonomous and russian ruled. they are an ethnicity in russia. if you want to condemn the russian administration, then you'd have to condemn Umar for taking over persia and palestine and having the arabians administer their rule over those lands. the main difference between israel and russia/umar is the people are living on their land and are not told to leave or replaced by foreigners as the case with the israeli invasion and occupation of palestine. it is not every time an ethnicity wants self rule that you take up arms to fight the central government, plunder lives and property and then in the name of Islam you want to blackmail me into supporting salafist terror groups. do you support biafra? i am sure you will type pages to oppose biafra. by the way, what are chechnyan (salafi/wahhabi mercenaries/terrorists) doing fighting in syria and iraq? are they fighting against russia? or they are fighting against other muslims for sectarian and terror aims? as for places like burma, the Shia are in full support of any oppressed people, whether muslim or even non-muslim. you should use google to answer most of these questions you ask. search for the positions of Shia personalities on the genocide in burma.

It will be useful to
stick to facts

Let us deal with the digression first
You don't believe in civil wars; but sadly, your Russian friend avidly does. Otherwise they would not have taken over Crimea, and now trying to take over Eastern Ukraine, and before then South Ossetia and Abkhazia
Russia is also promoting the breakaway of Transnistria in Moldova
I am not sure you ever told anyone to confront Russia for causing civil wars in other countries. You never even voiced disapproval of the persistent clvil wars that Russia instigates
So the all the Chechens are Wahhabis? Very convenient. I know that the Wahhabis are the worst specimen that Allah has created. Is that not so
All we need to do is label anyone we dislike Wahhabi and any injustice done against them will be lawful
I am also quite sure that the Taiwanese are Whhabis just like the Biafrans
The Czech and Slovaks who agreed to separate are Wahabis
It is always difficult to understand why a group invoking the name of religion can be so comfortable with oppression
Anyway let me tell you the error of your analysis


Chechens dislike Russia
Palestinians dislike Israel

Hamas believe in armed confrontation = Shias say they are freedom fighter and
ALL Palestine should be supported
Chechen separatists believe in armed struggle = Shias say they are terrorists and ALL Chechens are Wahhabis

See the history of the people you call Wahhabis
How some people sleep at night is a mystery!

This is from wikipedia

Operation Lentil began on October 13, 1943, when about 120,000 men were moved into the Republic of Checheno-Ingushetia by the Soviet government, supposedly for mending bridges. On February 23, 1944 (on Red Army day), the entire population was summoned to local party buildings where they were told they were going to be deported as punishment for their alleged collaboration with the Germans.

Some 40% to 50% of the deportees were children.[79] Unheated and uninsulated freight cars were used. The inhabitants rounded up and imprisoned in Studebaker trucks and sent to Central Asia (Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan).[80][81] Many times, resistance was met with slaughter, and in one such instance, in the aul of Haibach, about live 700 people were locked in a barn and burned to death by NKVD general Gveshiani, who was praised for this and promised a medal by Lavrentiy Beria. Many people from remote villages were executed per Beria's verbal order that any Chechen or Ingush deemed 'untransportable should be liquidated' on the spot

Recognition of genocide

Forced deportation constitutes an act of genocide according to the IV Hague Convention of 1907 and the Convention on the prevention and repression of the crime of genocide of the UN General Assembly (adopted in 1948) and in this case this was acknowledged by the European Parliament as an act of genocide in 2004

Ethnic tensions

When the Chechens and Ingush returned to their homeland, they found other peoples living, quite literally, in their houses, and on their land. Unsurprisingly, the returnees viewed the other ethnicities -Ossetes, Russians, Laks, Kumyks and Avars- that had been moved onto the lands that had been theirs before with hostility.

The goal of this (and, indeed, adding Shelkovskaya and Naursky to Checheno-Ingushetia) was to try to forcefully assimilate the Chechens by keeping them away from the mountains and reminders of "their ancient struggles", and to keep them mixed in with supposedly more loyal Russians so they could not rebel without a counter-force present.

Do I support Biafra?
Muslims are supposed to fight oppression
Why would I not support Biafra if they are oppressed
Nobody has the right to oppress another. Allah forbids that
There is enough on earth to go round. People are just selfish
If you run a very good system, people will embrace you and want to be part of you
There is no compulsion in religion, Why should there be in nationality?

Read the story of Aral Sea. It is a geographical disaster - the result of the policy of Russia
The people whose environment and means of livelihood are destroyed would be justified in bailing out of Russia
Would they not?

Chechen mercenaries are mercenaries
Just like Iranian mercenaries will be mercenaries.
Or are all Iranians now illegal migrants given that two Iranians with forged documents in that Malaysian plan?
Are we going to criminalise every Chechen because of that?

My question is this
When somebody spoke about the massacre of Muslims in Srebrenica here on NL, Shias asked him to shut up
What was the offence of the Muslims massacred in Srebrenica that we cannot talk about it
But If I talk about the toppling of Musseqique of Iran, I am a good man

My point - Shias are moved by politics - not Islamic brotherhood
You are the allies of people who are systematically trying to erase the identity of the Chechens
and you justify with lies
in Ramadan
And you ally with communists
May Allah give us guidance - but you need to rethink your ideas

I will not use google to waste my time
If Shias support muslims elsewhere, let us know

tbaba1234:
Turkey is the only Muslim country with superior military strength to Israel according to global rankings.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
But we know wars are not just won by rankings, The early muslims faced impossible odds and were victorious. Victory comes from Allah.
It will take an excellent strategy to defeat a stronger army. If the gap is not too wide, it is achieveable.

Turkey is a member of NATO, the "crusader alliance". the moment Turkey chooses to be "Islamic", "Muslim" or independent, and decides to use its "strength" in support of the oppressed Palestinian people, that is when the "superior military strength" will evaporate like hot air. so the strength you are boasting of is not Turkish by any means. it is like a kid being given an AK without bullets.

the two strongest Muslim countries militarily, with indigenous made weapons and know-how and independent policies, are Iran and Pakistan. the rest are all a pack of cards.

LagosShia:

let your Sunni palestinian brothers answer your nonsense. a foolish brainwashed salafist/wahhabi skull somewhere in west africa is running his mouth on what he doesnt know.

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BetaThings:
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"Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return [to the right path]." (Holy Quran 2:18)