YourHealthlabs:

Disprove what i said with facts. Stop allowing your lecturers deceive you.

If you touch an American patient with your Nigerian Mbbs, oga you'll go to JAIL. Try it

phantom: lab technologists -> lab scientists
radiographers -> medical imaging scientists

we all see through the charade.all we see are lazy people trying to get what they couldn't get through the front door from the backdoor.

saxywale:
Doctors don't get poached again as the profession is heavily regulated except the poster is referring to countries like Uganda or CAR. In a country like Canada, they find regulated degrees not even as valuable as the paper they are written on especially when it's from a 3rd world country. Even doctors from almighty India would spend at least 5 years retraining to prove their worth before being allowed to touch a patient.
If it was that easy, all Nigerian doctors would have left Nigeria for better pay abroad.

note:I am not taking sides in this argument. I have a doctor as sister, a registered nurse as sister and pharmacist as wife.

phantom: this is false. those countries have NEVER REALLY POACHED our graduates.even in the 70s and 80s.what you actually mean to say is that its MORE DIFFICULT THESE DAYS TO GET PLACEMENTS ABROAD. that is not necessarily due to our qualifications but might be because of tighter or stricter IMMIGRATION policies. this issue is multifactorial

phantom: as if you could even afford to go to Ghana if your life depended on it....lol.

YourHealthlabs:

Sorry your last paragraph is another common fallacy you guys sold to the unsuspecting public.

A Nigerian-trained mbbs doctor won't be allowed touch an American patient. Never!. Even U.S medical Interns and Resident Docs are not allowed to treat patients, that's why they are paid far lower that Pharmacists, Nurses and Scientists in the States. Go check the relativity. American lives are too precious.

Now statistically, In the U.S the chances of a foreign-trained doctor passing MCAT and practicing in the U.S is a paltry 3% and that includes Britons, Indians, Italians, Nigerians, Filipinos and the rest of the world....all sharing a paltry 3%!. 97% is for U.S-trained Docs.

My uncle is a Nigerian-born US-trained doc practicing in the U.S.
Many Nigerian-born docs practicing there are US-trained. Nigerian-trained docs are only fit to be phlebotomists and lab specimen collectors in the U.S until they acquire more training and try passing MCAT.

Please let endeavour to tell the world the truth.

drobadebayo:
Let's not propagate lies because of hatred.foreign docs don't do mcat,thats one fallacy.i belive u meant usmle which is required by all doctors foreign trained or us-trained.number two is Nigerian docs practising abroad are more Dan d ones at home and of course naija trained.77% of black docs in us are Nigerians and dey r fully licensed to practise

http://www.punchng.com/health/77-of-black-doctors-in-us-are-nigerians-reps-committee/

phantom: this is false. those countries have NEVER REALLY POACHED our graduates.even in the 70s and 80s.what you actually mean to say is that its MORE DIFFICULT THESE DAYS TO GET PLACEMENTS ABROAD. that is not necessarily due to our qualifications but might be because of tighter or stricter IMMIGRATION policies. this issue is multifactorial

saxywale: .

nobilis: You clamor to be granted equal rights and privileges as the medical doctor.
But you do not clamor to have high UTME and postUTME cut off marks like it is for the doctors. But you're comfortable with the lesser cut off marks for admission to study your courses in the university.

You do not clamor to be treated equally with medical students during the course of your training. During the preclinical training years, you guys are given less vigorous treatment than the medical students and you guys are all comfortable with it.

Medical students spend average of 6 to 8 years in medical school (depending on the school) while you guys spend 5 years in school. You do not clamor to at least spend an equal amount of time in school as the doctors. But u clamor to be treated equally.

And you say the doctors are unjust. How can you wish to earn the same salary as someone when you don't do the amount of work the person does? How is that for injustice? Our doctors are accused of being greedy and selfish yet the "health professionals" who are instigating this whole problem are ignored and lauded as saviours of the health sector.

The "amorphous" union called JOHESU allied themselves against doctors. Even hospital works technicians, janitors orderlies are part of JOHESU and they are all clamoring to be heads of hospitals. And I want to ask: what business does a janitor have in heading a hospital? This is to show you the blind greed of JOHESU. And the worst part of it is that those people who are being used by the corrupt few at the helm of affairs of JOHESU seem also blinded. I would really love to see a "consultant" pharmacist or "consultant" nurse sit down and allow a janitor or an orderly to become a chief medical director. And I will also love to see a "consultant" nurse allow herself to earn the same thing as a janitor or an orderly. At least, these will make a case for the relativity of salaries they are clamoring for.

If you provoke them a little bit, they will start to tell you about international best practices. But when the NMA demanded for the post of surgeon general to be created, JOHESU refused. Even though it is obvious that many countries abroad have such positions or the equivalent. Maybe they vehemently rejected it because it is obvious to them that in countries where such positions exist, it is only occupied by physicians.

JOHESU goes on strike and even actively tries to hamper the work of doctors who are trying to look after patients. And they are called saints. Yet when doctors go on strike, they are labelled as murderers. Since you guys want to earn equal pay, this is a perfect opportunity to score points for your agenda. Rise up to the challenge and show us that you can do better than the incompetent doctors.

Is it the work of a "consultant" nurse to prevent a consultant physician or a consultant surgeon from doing his/her work?
Is it the work of a "consultant" pharmacist to cancel and change d course of treatment prescribed by a consultant physician or consultant surgeon without consulting with the physician or surgeon first?
Is it the work of a "consultant" radiographer to prevent the consultant radiologist from reading and interpreting radiological investigations?
Is it the work of a "consultant" lab scientist to cancel and change the order of laboratory tests requested by a consultant physician or consultant surgeon without consulting with the physician or surgeon first?
But this is exactly what is going on in our hospitals and this is the definition of anarchy. Maybe one day we will have consultant janitor, consultant works technician, consultant records clerk, consultant orderly.

And the problem with nigerians is that we are always eager to condemn, to point fingers, eager to criticise and crucify. We don't take the necessary time to look into matters adequately before making judgments. And that is why JOHESU is scoring cheap points with the populace because of their gullibilty and lack of keen reasoning faculties.

Anyways, we will all see how it plays out.

drobadebayo:
Ur ryt Canada has a peculiarity.its almost impossible to work as a doc in Canada whether you r from Britain or liberia.its even difficult for us citizens,only less difficult

citizenisb: may we pray that evil BH does not strike again in Abuja before all you rats ranting understand the importance of doctors in your lives.

doctors are the best paid in the States because they value life and if we are so incompetent why do Nigerian trained doctors get frequently poached to work in the US and UK health sectors

YourHealthlabs:

Yeah, i meant USMLE, not MCAT, i even wrote mentioned it in one of my previous post before mixing it up. USMLE it is. Mistake is mine. Apologies

Nigerians in the U.S are the one of most educated group of people in the U.S, but most Nigerians practicing there like my uncle schooled there and got his medical degree in the U.S. The chances are higher for Nigerians with American medical degree.

I still maintain that statistics, People with Non-US medical degrees have only 3% chance of practicing in the United States regardless of what country they hail from. There is no dearth of doctors in the United states as there is for Nurses and Clinical laboratory Scientists.

For some years now, Americans are right now offering Permanent resident status to Scientists who wish to immigrate and work in their medical laboratories. 30-40% of Clinical laboratory scientists in the U.S will retire in 10 -15 years..baby boomers. To fill the gaps that will be created in the future, they are aggressively recruiting internationally-trained Clinical laboratory scientists and Nurses and issuing green cards to the Professionals. Canada has same issues.

My assertions can be easily verified.

phantomxxx: if you like be a distinction candidate from nigeria,you must write and pass the licensing exams of foreign countries to practice there.no arguement there.'re-training' as you put is a repeat RESIDENCY TRAINING. NOT repeat basic medical training.

sexy-excalibur:



Lol, have u heard of private practice

otokx:

No work no pay will not affect them, they are not lazy lecturers.

phantomxxx: wale all you have succeded in telling us is that GETTING PLACEMENTS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES FOR FOREIGN MEDICAL GRADUATES IS DIFFICULT. i didnt argue with that.what i argued with was our basic nigerian qualifications OVER THERE. your post failed to mention anywhere a nigerian was or is required to go through medical school AGAIN from scratch.

from time immemorial,the us and canada HAVE NEVER valued foreign graduates over theirs.your use of the word 'poached' means that they had a scarcity of doctors OR were not satisfied with the quality of their own graduates so they had to come steal our 1st class doctors

citizenisb: may we pray that evil BH does not strike again in Abuja before all you rats ranting understand the importance of doctors in your lives.

doctors are the best paid in the States because they value life and if we are so incompetent why do Nigerian trained doctors get frequently poached to work in the US and UK health sectors

olrotimi: I still dont understand all these hoof hoof about we doctors, soo loved yet soo hated. Unfortunately the common man wldnt understand the genesis of the conflict in the health sector. Visit the average lab in teachn hospitals & you'd be shocked abt the incompetence of the technicians (i desist from calling them scientists cos thrz nthng scientific abt their operation). We often times go back to discuss the veracity of the results they gv us which doesnt tally with clinical diagnosis, u'd b shockd to the marrow how hollow an explanation they'd offer. Its commön knowledge that if therz a diagnostic dilema, we take our samples to private laboratories which are directly supervised by doctors .......these are the people who want to be consultants. Consultants of the very chemicals they are confused about?

saxywale:

Sorry i misunderstood you. I never said there was anything wrong with naija qualifications, atleast my first degree and my wife's Bpharm are from naija. What i was trying to say is that, it's not as easy as the other poster before you was trying to portray i.e naija doctors are being poached by Advanced countries.


Those Nigerian doctors practicing in 1st world countries are not just Nigerian doctors but the "1st class ones" among them. Those qualifying exams are not rice and beans.

nobilis: You clamor to be granted equal rights and privileges as the medical doctor.
But you do not clamor to have high UTME and postUTME cut off marks like it is for the doctors. But you're comfortable with the lesser cut off marks for admission to study your courses in the university.

You do not clamor to be treated equally with medical students during the course of your training. During the preclinical training years, you guys are given less vigorous treatment than the medical students and you guys are all comfortable with it.

Medical students spend average of 6 to 8 years in medical school (depending on the school) while you guys spend 5 years in school. You do not clamor to at least spend an equal amount of time in school as the doctors. But u clamor to be treated equally.

And you say the doctors are unjust. How can you wish to earn the same salary as someone when you don't do the amount of work the person does? How is that for injustice? Our doctors are accused of being greedy and selfish yet the "health professionals" who are instigating this whole problem are ignored and lauded as saviours of the health sector.

The "amorphous" union called JOHESU allied themselves against doctors. Even hospital works technicians, janitors orderlies are part of JOHESU and they are all clamoring to be heads of hospitals. And I want to ask: what business does a janitor have in heading a hospital? This is to show you the blind greed of JOHESU. And the worst part of it is that those people who are being used by the corrupt few at the helm of affairs of JOHESU seem also blinded. I would really love to see a "consultant" pharmacist or "consultant" nurse sit down and allow a janitor or an orderly to become a chief medical director. And I will also love to see a "consultant" nurse allow herself to earn the same thing as a janitor or an orderly. At least, these will make a case for the relativity of salaries they are clamoring for.

If you provoke them a little bit, they will start to tell you about international best practices. But when the NMA demanded for the post of surgeon general to be created, JOHESU refused. Even though it is obvious that many countries abroad have such positions or the equivalent. Maybe they vehemently rejected it because it is obvious to them that in countries where such positions exist, it is only occupied by physicians.

JOHESU goes on strike and even actively tries to hamper the work of doctors who are trying to look after patients. And they are called saints. Yet when doctors go on strike, they are labelled as murderers. Since you guys want to earn equal pay, this is a perfect opportunity to score points for your agenda. Rise up to the challenge and show us that you can do better than the incompetent doctors.

Is it the work of a "consultant" nurse to prevent a consultant physician or a consultant surgeon from doing his/her work?
Is it the work of a "consultant" pharmacist to cancel and change d course of treatment prescribed by a consultant physician or consultant surgeon without consulting with the physician or surgeon first?
Is it the work of a "consultant" radiographer to prevent the consultant radiologist from reading and interpreting radiological investigations?
Is it the work of a "consultant" lab scientist to cancel and change the order of laboratory tests requested by a consultant physician or consultant surgeon without consulting with the physician or surgeon first?
But this is exactly what is going on in our hospitals and this is the definition of anarchy. Maybe one day we will have consultant janitor, consultant works technician, consultant records clerk, consultant orderly.

And the problem with nigerians is that we are always eager to condemn, to point fingers, eager to criticise and crucify. We don't take the necessary time to look into matters adequately before making judgments. And that is why JOHESU is scoring cheap points with the populace because of their gullibilty and lack of keen reasoning faculties.

Anyways, we will all see how it plays out.