saxywale:

Sorry i misunderstood you. I never said there was anything wrong with naija qualifications, atleast my first degree and my wife's Bpharm are from naija. What i was trying to say is that, it's not as easy as the other poster before you was trying to portray i.e naija doctors are being poached by Advanced countries.


Those Nigerian doctors practicing in 1st world countries are not just Nigerian doctors but the "1st class ones" among them. Those qualifying exams are not rice and beans.

:to take without permission and use as one's own: to poach ideas; a staff poached from other companies.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/poach

slyzy: last time they were asking for customised plate numbers carrying "DOCTOR" and now they are complaning of JOESU members acquiring Ph.Ds to be called doctors as part of their reasons for strike. Imagine! Missing Abacha so badly to take care of these babies throwing tantrums here and there.

drobadebayo:
Truedat!but the thing is if u could make final MB exam,u cn make USMLE with the right preps,u don't hv to be d best in ur class.u jst hv to get it right.

Oduduwaboy:
@ barcanista ...i get you more now. You most likely are a medical lab technician( not scientist pls).

Your inferiority complex to medical doctors can never allow you to see reason you know.

Why do you people want to become fake ' consultants' when you dont consult patients? is it not in your search for relevance and more salary? Your agitations have thrown the health sector into this present crisis...good thing is it will make the government take hard & lasting decisions.

If you want to earn like the doctors why not go back to medical school? there are a lot of them around this days....federal,state and private!

Peaceworld: Doctors here please get enlightened.Follow the links below:

http://www.wimbledonclinics.co.uk/consultants/

Anybody see the Consultant Physiotherapist in that sea of doctors?

Follow link to American Association of Consultant Pharmacists here:

https://www.ascp.com/

Consultant Pharmacists in Canada:

http://www.cscpharm.com/

NMA brought in Surgeon General without even knowing the meaning, but are now fighting to withhold consultancy for other health professionals. It's so sad, coming from a so-called body of repute. SMH.... And for your information, other health professionals have been fighting to make their undergraduate courses 6 years for some time now...see what NUC did to D. Pharm with the help of NMA? Some professions take MB with medical students now. And it will get better if only NMA will stop thinking it's their right alone to professionally develops.

Oduduwaboy:
@ barcanista ...i get you more now. You most likely are a medical lab technician( not scientist pls).

Your inferiority complex to medical doctors can never allow you to see reason you know.

Why do you people want to become fake ' consultants' when you dont consult patients? is it not in your search for relevance and more salary? Your agitations have thrown the health sector into this present crisis...good thing is it will make the government take hard & lasting decisions.

If you want to earn like the doctors why not go back to medical school? there are a lot of them around this days....federal,state and private!

Prettyvita: Initially, I thought of it as a joke, but now, I can see dat it's all selfishness and nothing more. There's a certain level u'll achieve in ur carrier and u'll b consulted for clarifications and other issues in THAT particular field. I wonder what the big deal is in allowing other bodies in d health sector to attain the title of a consultant Doctors should realise that MEDICINE isn't all about them. The sooner they realise that, the better for all of 'em.

armadeo:



This comment is tangential to the entire discourse.

otokx: Medically qualified is not the same thing as medically fit.

People should call a spade a spade. Lab technologist were usually hnd holders then an amorphous and strange B.tech was given by universities to the same lab technologists and dubbed science lab tech.

Now they are calling themselves lab scientists dropping the tech to distinguish themselves fron lab tech but we all know their history. One went to apply for Masters in Microbiology and was told his starting point is post graduate diploma and he took offence.

A man will always be a man and head of the home, the woman will say she is head of the kitchen but it will end in laughter.

nobilis:

Lol. Thanks for trying to educate us. I won't repeat many things. But as for the duty of a consultant, I will refer you to the article Phantom wrote on pages 2 and 3 of this thread.

I will gladly advise all JOHESUITES to seek the truth at the expense of killing and deadening their consciences. Like I said before, before a doctor is awarded an honorary consultancy, he must have completed a certain number of years of residency training in his chosen specialty. We are talking about a minimum of 5 years here (that is after medical school oo). When he completes residency, he becomes a specialist in his chosen field then he is appointed a consultant.
Recently, some nurses in UCH "arrogated" (permit me to use that word) to themselves, the title of consultant. Did they undergo any specialist training? In what area of the nursing practice are they specialists? Now you get my drift. JOHESUITES want to become consultants without undergoing any specialist training. Now tell me, how is that fair?

You say doctors are withholding the consultancy status for other health professionals. But I want to ask you: what do you expect the doctors to do when it is obvious that you guys are not acting in the best interests of the doctors' patients. Instances have been given where a consultant nurse prevented a consultant plastic surgeon from inspecting his patient's surgical site ( I ask: does this happen abroad? Is this how consultant nurses in the US work?) Another instance has been given where consultant pharmacists invaded the wards cancelling and modifying patient treatment plans without notifying the doctor in charge of such patients. (Does this happen abroad?)
Need I remind you that when a patient is admitted in a hospital, he is admitted under the name of a consultant physician or surgeon(not a consultant nurse or pharmacist). Meaning that the patient is assigned to that particular consultant physician/surgeon whose duty it is to make sure that the patient is treated properly. And that is why if there is any case of patient mismanagement, it is the consultant physician/surgeon who is sued for malpractice.

Now give me one reason why doctors will not fight against appointment of JOHESUITES as consultants. All you JOHESUITES wil shout and say it is because of insecurity and greed. But I ask you: why won't the doctors fight against such consultancy appointments when it is obvious that the only thing you guys want is to assert your authority and disrupt order in the hospitals to the detriment of the patients. Instead of trying to work with the doctors as a team, you guys want to fight with them to show who has the superior say in patient management. No. You guys don't reason that way. The only thing you see is that doctors are hindering your appointments.

As for the banning of the PharmD program, please and please, until there is enough incontrovertible proof that NMA has a hand in NUC's ruling, do not place false accusations on anybody.

YourHealthlabs: For our 5th centrury docs that hang on the "not-doctor-not-smart" belief. I didn't hear any American Doc telling U.S. Nurses to go write 'JAMB' if they want to become Docs.

I 've also never heard a U.S Physician talk about 'owning' Patients like Nigerian doctors always mouth about, even though U.S was a hotbed of slavery.



"Not true, Dr. Potempa said — the
new degree simply ensures that
nurses stay competent. “It’s not like
a group of us woke up one day to
create a degree as a way to compete
with another profession,” she said.
“Nurses are very proud of the fact
that they’re nurses, and if nurses
had wanted to be doctors, they
would have gone to medical
school.”


That the difference right there between the first world Physicians and our Pre- paleolithic dokitas. Mentality!

nobilis:

Please, my dear, I will advise you to desist from giving inputs in matters which you have not fully understood.
There is nothing wrong with nurses and pharmacists and any others being called consultants. It is not about the name. What's in a name? If it ends only in their answering the name "consultant", no one gives a damn. But the issue is that they are disrupting the work of doctors because they see themselves as consultants and therefore, they feel they have the right to do so. They usurp consulting rooms from doctors. They meddle with treatment plans fashioned out by doctors without consulting the doctors. They prevent the doctors from doing their jobs. Because they want to show the doctors that they also have a say. And who suffers in this situation? The patients.

But you have comfortably refused to see the anarchy breeding in the hospitals because of the clamor for such positions. And you have comfortably fixed your mind on the greed you perceive from doctors.

People like you are the people I refer to as the gullible populace with whom JOHESU scores her cheap points. Itz either you are that or you are a JOHESU operative. When JOHESU went on strike and tried to disrupt the work of doctors who were still working and taking care of hospital in-patients, what did the NLC/TUC and the general Nigerian populace say about it? Absolutely nothing. But NMA has gone on strike now and u see them as d devils who are heartless and want to kill people.

Nigerians, until we learn to uphold truth and justice, progress and unity will remain very far from us.

nobilis:

Lol. Thanks for trying to educate us. I won't repeat many things. But as for the duty of a consultant, I will refer you to the article Phantom wrote on pages 2 and 3 of this thread.

I will gladly advise all JOHESUITES to seek the truth at the expense of killing and deadening their consciences. Like I said before, before a doctor is awarded an honorary consultancy, he must have completed a certain number of years of residency training in his chosen specialty. We are talking about a minimum of 5 years here (that is after medical school oo). When he completes residency, he becomes a specialist in his chosen field then he is appointed a consultant.
Recently, some nurses in UCH "arrogated" (permit me to use that word) to themselves, the title of consultant. Did they undergo any specialist training? In what area of the nursing practice are they specialists? Now you get my drift. JOHESUITES want to become consultants without undergoing any specialist training. Now tell me, how is that fair?

You say doctors are withholding the consultancy status for other health professionals. But I want to ask you: what do you expect the doctors to do when it is obvious that you guys are not acting in the best interests of the doctors' patients. Instances have been given where a consultant nurse prevented a consultant plastic surgeon from inspecting his patient's surgical site ( I ask: does this happen abroad? Is this how consultant nurses in the US work?) Another instance has been given where consultant pharmacists invaded the wards cancelling and modifying patient treatment plans without notifying the doctor in charge of such patients. (Does this happen abroad?)
Need I remind you that when a patient is admitted in a hospital, he is admitted under the name of a consultant physician or surgeon(not a consultant nurse or pharmacist). Meaning that the patient is assigned to that particular consultant physician/surgeon whose duty it is to make sure that the patient is treated properly. And that is why if there is any case of patient mismanagement, it is the consultant physician/surgeon who is sued for malpractice.

Now give me one reason why doctors will not fight against appointment of JOHESUITES as consultants. All you JOHESUITES wil shout and say it is because of insecurity and greed. But I ask you: why won't the doctors fight against such consultancy appointments when it is obvious that the only thing you guys want is to assert your authority and disrupt order in the hospitals to the detriment of the patients. Instead of trying to work with the doctors as a team, you guys want to fight with them to show who has the superior say in patient management. No. You guys don't reason that way. The only thing you see is that doctors are hindering your appointments.

As for the banning of the PharmD program, please and please, until there is enough incontrovertible proof that NMA has a hand in NUC's ruling, do not place false accusations on anybody.

Peaceworld: She's right, you know. Doctors shouldn't be the only ones planning for the patient. That's why medicine is a team effort. You don't bully your way through as a dictator here. You get ideas from everybody in the team, but when you now think that no other person has an input, who is causing the trouble. Team leaders trying to be team dictators...lol...in my hospital, when was the last time we had a general ward round? Can't even remember! Mtttschhhew...

armadeo:

A team effort I agree and each team must have a leader who is responsible for the final outcome of the team. Am sure you know what happens when to many cooks are making a meal in one pot the pot here being the patient.
This issue isn't about patient benefits or care its about personal greed.

Why do johesu members want to be called consultants and say its for the benefit of the patient, that means their presence since has been a waste of space.

Peaceworld: Again it's quite clear that you're very biased. I will refrain from debating further with you.

lighternote: Get the real bone of contention here.
http://www.medicalworldnigeria.com/2014/06/nma-and-her-egocentric-demands-the-height-of-gross-lawlessness-impunity-blackmail-by-benjamin-chukwunonso-ajufo-part-1/
This is what u get when empathy free braniacs or mere greedy individuals rush into medical schools solely for money.

barcanista: To hell with those touts in NMA and NARD. Government should implement the No Work-No Pay policy.

Bunch of Glorified First Aid caregivers.





Bunch of cowards

joker5180: i guess you dont know what is meant by an 'act of national assembly". it is MDCN that has such statutory responsibility. get your facts right.

Cityguy: I don't blame a lot of people for their comments though often times they stem from a number of reasons which might not even be known to them. I guess doctors are not humans. Lawyers, teachers, rail workers, lecturers, oil workers etc can go on strike and of course, no probs cos we 'believe' we are not in 'danger' or that they are not very 'necessary'. Some of us don't even want to know what has generated all these- they just must be 'passionate'. Well, it has finally happened. I think the hospitals are now running without the input of these 'overrated, glorified' and perhaps 'arrogant' doctors. JOHESU, pls take over.