@Torchwave @Naijababe @thecongo

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Re your previous thread concerning Mum...you are what is called "an omo oloju aanu" i.e. a very empathetic child and you hate the "double life" upbringing/your toxic unavailable Dad/your "weak" Mum...this is the core reason you are unconsciously hesitant and wary of adult relationships and have resigned to the unhealthy fact that the odds are unfavourable...

You have the upperhand as an adult now, so you have to boldly approach your Mum for some serious communication about their parental role and its impact on your childhood...

Following.........

torchwave: I thank God for another month being the fifth month in my journey of seeking His face. It has not been a smooth journey but His grace on me has made it this consistent. I never dreamed it possible that I'd be this consistent, every morning sitting or standing, listening for His voice day after day, week after week, month after month. God is sweet. Looking back now, I see that covering this distance without feeling weary is proof of God's hand of grace upon me. One desire fulfilled.

The truth is I have been tempted many times to give up as it seems nothing is working and God keeps choosing to remain silent. I had always wondered why God delays His answers to His children. Since He is God, He could grant the answers to our requests in a short time if He chooses to. When I began seeking Him, I wondered why it took long to find Him. I just couldn't understand why God takes long to answer our prayers. Is it that He just loves delaying answers to prayers?

A certain day, very recently, a thought found its way into my thoughts in answer to my confusion. It wasn't a voice but they were words. Weird right? Voiceless words that can be 'heard' in the thoughts. The thought said 'God delays the answers to our prayers for sometime because He is 'sharpening' our faith through our patience.' Almost immediately, I recalled a verse in the Bible I have read quite a few times but which deserted my memory in my confusion about His delays to answering our prayers. I did not remember the exact chapter and verse but I recalled some of the words in this manner, "The trial of your faith worketh patience.'

James 1:3-4, Knowing this, that the trying of your faith works patience
But let patience have her perfect work, that you may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

When the thought came along with the words of the Scriptures confirming it, I was baffled, surprised, thrilled, happy and had a sense of peace because I knew the thought could not have originated within me. Besides, it had this authority that was lacking in my everyday thoughts. Since then, I have learnt to love His delays to my prayers or, say, His silence whenever I listen for His voice because I know and I know that He is developing my faith through patience. My faith is much more important to Him than the answer to my prayers. It is the only means of reaching Him, receiving from Him and hearing from Him. When you quit asking or seeking Him, there can only be one reason - you've run out of faith.

So then, I love His delays because His delays are for my benefit (for the growth and purification of my faith) and I love His answers which are proof of my tenacious faith. Either way, God is sweet.

Indeed, God is ordering my steps. I'm still on the path of seeking His face and will never turn to the right or left till I have met Him. I'm more confident of finding God than the sun rising tomorrow. I am not being optimistic, I am being very very certain of that fact. I dream of the day I wake up to hear His voice and ask, "Is that you, Lord?" Another great desire fulfilled.

Congratulations torchwave,


Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumbering upon the bed: then openeth the ears of men and sealeth their INSTRUCTIONS...



He is a faithful God hence reason you already have some experience of His presence through music, dreams, the radio, etc and that encounter in your 3rd paragraph is one of the means He speaks to us...That was God talking to you, He communicates His mind and His will to us in various ways and that was an instruction from Him to you, to exercise patience and to reassure you that you now have a relationship with HIM...Add more praise and worship to your routine, cos as you know He inhabits the praises of His people, and I bet you know all there is to know about praying and fasting...I've had several of such similar lucid communication, although mine mostly came by way of chastisement cos I kept refusing to submit to His will...


I'd hear this subtle voice...then hurriedly wake up and see the same passage in the Bible...I had an instance I was running from someone for years and told him "biko stay away from me since it is you your Mama wan kill..." Following this, I got weeks and weeks of loud vivid instructions to stay put, etc, yet I refused and was still saying no and arguing with God... then the next voice I heard was "disobedience is worse than witchcraft"... I jumped outta bed startled and checked the Bible and it was there, shuo Then I started scoping God that shebi He is the one who says we should flee from danger, that that is tantamount to sleeping with the roof on fire, that how can my saying no to His will be worse than witchcraft, etc. I talked and negotiated till I was blue in the face, but for where...I love God sha

Elijah78: Following.........

Hi Elijah. Very glad to see you bro. Eagerly awaiting your contribution.

Busybody2:



Congratulations torchwave,


Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumbering upon the bed: then openeth the ears of men and sealeth their INSTRUCTIONS...



He is a faithful God hence reason you already have some experience of His presence through music, dreams, the radio, etc and that encounter in your 3rd paragraph is one of the means He speaks to us...That was God talking to you, He communicates His mind and His will to us in various ways and that was an instruction from Him to you, to exercise patience and to reassure you that you now have a relationship with HIM...Add more praise and worship to your routine, cos as you know He inhabits the praises of His people, and I bet you know all there is to know about praying and fasting...I've had several of such similar lucid communication, although mine mostly came by way of chastisement cos I kept refusing to submit to His will...


I'd hear this subtle voice...then hurriedly wake up and see the same passage in the Bible...I had an instance I was running from someone for years and told him "biko stay away from me since it is you your Mama wan kill..." Following this, I got weeks and weeks of loud vivid instructions to stay put, etc, yet I refused and was still saying no and arguing with God... then the next voice I heard was "disobedience is worse than witchcraft"... I jumped outta bed startled and checked the Bible and it was there, shuo Then I started scoping God that shebi He is the one who says we should flee from danger, that that is tantamount to sleeping with the roof on fire, that how can my saying no to His will be worse than witchcraft, etc. I talked and negotiated till I was blue in the face, but for where...I love God sha

Hey BB, your hilarious post really got me laughing helplessly.

You know, that is God for you.

BB, it is evident you have a close relationship with God, something God desires with all His children but few can really say they have it.

There are things I want us to discuss privately because doing so here will be inappropriate.

Besides, you quoted my post from the thread that got lost when NL crashed for some days. How were you able to do that? I have tried to recover that thread to no avail.

God, where are You? This is not fair o!

Lol. Kidding

God and His mysterious ways...past finding out.

I am really glad that I'm on this journey to know God. It gives everyday a purpose so that I am always looking forward to the next day by preparing for it (making sure nothing makes me miss my daily appointment with God). This is where I'd rather be than anywhere else.

I'm not a little shocked by many Christians who believe communion or dialogue with God is impossible. They have no problem believing a demon can talk to someone but it becomes blasphemy or heresy to say God talks to you daily or that you asked God a question and He replied. To them it is simply unacceptable.

In addition, they are of the opinion...well, let me leave that. This is not the time or place to address such belief.

This hunger to know God is really tearing me apart. The desire is just mounting into an unbearable degree. Sometimes I just wish...(sighs)

Wherever you are, Udeme4Christ, Fruitfulvine, Elijah78 and Ademola (not really sure I got the last name right), I pray you guys have not given up. I have never stopped praying for grace for us to be successful in our quest to know the Lord God Almighty like we know a bosom friend.

Grace be to you all already in this quest and those inspired to embark on this journey. Amen.

Hmmm. Nice to find kindred souls. People who just want to behold his glory or die beseeching too.

Don't give up. Its not easy and its not meant to be.

"God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him"

There is need for diligence and tenacity in seeking God.

ayoku777: Hmmm. Nice to find kindred souls. People who just want to behold his glory or die beseeching too.

Don't give up. Its not easy and its not meant to be.

"God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him"

There is need for diligence and tenacity in seeking God.

thank you. When you said it is not easy, believe me it is not. God has a reason for making the journey difficult but extremely rewarding. Besides helping to strengthen our faith, it also helps to gauge the intensity of our desire and hunger for Him. Someone with little desire or hunger for Him would have quit a long time ago.

Everything you said is apt.

I have come too far to give up. It is not an option at this stage of my journey.

It is refreshing to see someone in this forum who shares the belief, more like conviction, that dialogue with God is possible.

torchwave: thank you. When you said it is not easy, believe me it is not. God has a reason for making the journey difficult but extremely rewarding. Besides helping to strengthen our faith, it also helps to gauge the intensity of our desire and hunger for Him. Someone with little desire or hunger for Him would have quit a long time ago.

Everything you said is apt.

I have come too far to give up. It is not an option at this stage of my journey.

It is refreshing to see someone in this forum who shares the belief, more like conviction, that dialogue with God is possible.

I understand you too well, brother. I know what it means to have an insatiable hunger for an uncommon intimacy with God. It makes you tarry and tarry and beseech and beseech.

You feel tired but you've reached a point where giving up is now worse than death.

Other christians look at you like a fanatic, or even call you proud and presumptuous to ever think that kind of intimacy can be possible.

It gets to a point where your only encouragement is the word of God and the inner witness of the Spirit nudging you on. But you know what God has shown you and you are ready to contend till you possess.

Be encouraged!

What will be rewarding must first be demanding.

Pain is the test of passion, and perseverance is the proof.

Endurance is the proof of esteem, what you esteem you endure for.

ayoku777: I understand you too well, brother. I know what it means to have an insatiable hunger for an uncommon intimacy with God. It makes you tarry and tarry and beseech and beseech.

You feel tired but you've reached a point where giving up is now worse than death.

Other christians look at you like a fanatic, or even call you proud and presumptuous to ever think that kind of intimacy can be possible.

It gets to a point where your only encouragement is the word of God and the inner witness of the Spirit nudging you on. But you know what God has shown you and you are ready to contend till you possess.

Be encouraged!

What will be rewarding must first be demanding.

Pain is the test of passion, and perseverance is the proof.

Endurance is the proof of esteem, what you esteem you endure for.

Discipline is training your soul to tolerate travail. It is doing something hard until its not.

Good

Morning Torchwave, BRB.

torchwave: Hey BB, your hilarious post really got me laughing helplessly.

You know, that is God for you.

BB, it is evident you have a close relationship with God, something God desires with all His children but few can really say they have it.

There are things I want us to discuss privately because doing so here will be inappropriate.

Besides, you quoted my post from the thread that got lost when NL crashed for some days. How were you able to do that? I have tried to recover that thread to no avail.

When the Potter comes a-calling, what can the clay do ehn, lol.


What simplified things for me was in the old testament God has hundreds of names, but in the new testament He was known by only one name Abba Father...so as with my earthly Father i don't book any appointment to see my Heavenly Father, God, i don't need facebook, whatsapp, i don't need to book appointment with his PA ...same way i can saunter into my earthly Father's presence to ask what newspaper he is reading/ask if he heard such and such in the new... This is the same relationship i have with my heavenly Father God. I pull God's legs, I remind Him to expect the same naughtiness i show my Dad, my ascerbic tongue, try to bribe Him, try to run rings round Him, try to bargain or negotiate with Him...tease Him that shebi He is still my Heavenly Father who knows all my quirks and weakness, so He should chastise me gently if He has to...that i am human who likes to err on the side of caution occasionally so He should not expect 100% perfection from me, that punishment exists cos of foreknowledge of sin...etc


I guess this approach works because i wasn't born into a Christian home so didn't have to follow any protocol or toe any rigid line of fellowshipping with God...so i could just be my brash, blunt self There are times i get woken up and have realised that once i go back to sleep, na dream/vision sure pass, so i would start doing stronghead with God that i am going to stay awake cos i don't want any...but God can be so patient...even if i succumb to just one minute sleep, that dream/vision will come by fire by force...


The irony though is that with stuffs pertaining to the Holy Spirit, I see him as a no-nonsense person, elewon mi l'oga, so if he asks me to jump, I quickly ask how high...i might later start mumbling under my breath how rigid he is and how if one vexes him now, he fit vex no show face again for 20 years So for me God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, Angels are like family and i love being the little Sister

torchwave:

Besides, you quoted my post from the thread that got lost when NL crashed for some days. How were you able to do that? I have tried to recover that thread to no avail.[/i]

I got it from google cache, twas only the second page i saw thougj. All i did was input your topic into google search and hey presto!

Busybody2:

When the Potter comes a-calling, what can the clay do ehn, lol.


What simplified things for me was in the old testament God has hundreds of names, but in the new testament He was known by only one name Abba Father...so as with my earthly Father i don't book any appointment to see my Heavenly Father, God, i don't need facebook, whatsapp, i don't need to book appointment with his PA ...same way i can saunter into my earthly Father's presence to ask what newspaper he is reading/ask if he heard such and such in the new... This is the same relationship i have with my heavenly Father God. I pull God's legs, I remind Him to expect the same naughtiness i show my Dad, my ascerbic tongue, try to bribe Him, try to run rings round Him, try to bargain or negotiate with Him...tease Him that shebi He is still my Heavenly Father who knows all my quirks and weakness, so He should chastise me gently if He has to...that i am human who likes to err on the side of caution occasionally so He should not expect 100% perfection from me, that punishment exists cos of foreknowledge of sin...etc


I guess this approach works because i wasn't born into a Christian home so didn't have to follow any protocol or toe any rigid line of fellowshipping with God...so i could just be my brash, blunt self There are times i get woken up and have realised that once i go back to sleep, na dream/vision sure pass, so i would start doing stronghead with God that i am going to stay awake cos i don't want any...but God can be so patient...even if i succumb to just one minute sleep, that dream/vision will come by fire by force...


The irony though is that with stuffs pertaining to the Holy Spirit, elewon mi l'oga, if he asks me to jump, i quickly ask how high...i might later start mumbling under my breath how rigid he is and how if one vexes him now, he fit vex no show face again for 20 years. So for me God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, Angels are like family and i love being the little Sister

hahaha. Nice nice nice. God is a master planner you know, because He placed you where you would cultivate unrestrained relationship with Him. That is what He wants, just that - friendship.

It reminds me of the time Jesus came to me in a dream, smiling, and said He wants to be closer to me than my best friend and that I should be free to talk and relate with Him as I would do to a best pal. He made me feel how much He so loves me that I felt strong waves of love from Him towards me.

He is God, He is a sweet and loving Father, and He is also my very best Friend. I so love Him. I always tell Him there is nothing in the world for me, that He is my only portion. I used to keep my feelings to myself and I would not tell God because I thought it was sin or disrespect towards God to tell Him how mad or angry or frustrated I felt. I also felt telling Him how happy or glad or optimistic I was towards anything was unnecessary. However, everything changed after that dream. Now I tell Him anything, I mean like, "God why are You frustrating me? I will fall o if You don't help me." Hahahaha. I tell Him, "God I love You. Everything You do is perfect," "I love You," "God, you see how so and so made me angry. Please give me love for him or her," etc etc...

I'm still learning to talk to Him this way though I cannot say I have arrived at that stage of closeness He desires yet, but I can confidently say I'm almost there. A step at a time.

When I read your post, I kept smiling because I know your relationship with God is what He desires. He wants you to tell Him the good, the bad, the ugly...everything, because He cares to know how we feel, because He loves us deeply.

Indeed, what a caring Elder Brother and Friend we have in Jesus.

He is in the business of spoiling His kids like us with endless affection. Hahahaha. I am so in love with God, our Father and Best Friend.

Busybody2:

I got it from google cache, twas only the second page i saw thougj. All i did was input your topic into google search and hey presto!

I will try once more to determine the possibility of its recovery. The whole thread I mean. Thanks without measure.

torchwave: I will try once more to determine the possibility of its recovery. The whole thread I mean. Thanks without measure.

Working on this, my sidekick Tigerpaws the terror, is trying to fix this but is having issues - cache has been updated.

hmmmm..I really want more of God but don't knew we're to start frm

torchwave: Hello Misreal. I believe the only explanation for your desire to want more of God is the fact that God is the One drawing you closer to Himself (John 6:44).

Friendship with God is the highest calling of the human race; it is the reason we were created.

I shall outline the basic steps to take to begin your quest to know God. However, they are by no means the only steps to closeness with God. They are:


Keep a daily time with God: Have a daily appointment with God that you should endeavour to keep. It could be early morning, noon or night. It depends on which is convenient for you.


Take time to listen for His voice: Specify an amount of time to listen to God. It could be an hour or two, thirty minutes, fifteen minutes, ten minutes, five minutes or even two minutes if it is what you can afford.
Don't try to impress God by trying to keep the amount of time that is uncomfortable to you. Experiment and do what works for you. When you have specified the duration of time to spend in His Presence, do as much as possible to keep it.
If in keeping any amount of time you discover it is uncomfortable or doesn't work for you, please try another one. The keyphrase is what works for you.


Meditate on the Word of God or on God: This is the key that tunes your spiritual ears to hear from God. You could decide to meditate (picture) on the Word or picture Christ beside you as you listen for His still small voice in your heart. This is what you do for the duration of the time you have specified to spend in His Presence listening for His voice. Whichever one you choose, Bible or picture or awareness of Jesus Christ beside you or in you, it achieves the same purpose of making you sensitive to the voice of God.



That is basically where to begin your journey to know God, but it doesn't end there.

You should listen to God all day, everyday. It doesn't start and end in your prayer closet. You do this by being aware of His Presence beside you or in you wherever you are or wherever you go.

Develop the habit of talking to God about anything. Don't try to hide your feelings from Him. He already knows what you feel but He loves it when you tell Him, because when you do He is there listening to you.

Dialogue with God is as simple as ask Him a question and wait for a reply from Him.

God reveals Himself at the appointed time. He may begin talking to you shortly after your journey has begun or it may take a long time (like mine). Whatever time it takes to know Him is the price you pay to know Him, it is the accurate guage of your hunger and desire to dialogue with Him. Don't despair if nothing seems to work for a long time. He will surely talk to you if you don't give up.

I hope this helps you to begin your journey to see the Face of God.

thank you so much.but,what do you mean by listening to God.as in waiting in silence

torchwave: Yes. That is exactly what it means. You wait in silent expectation of His still small voice.

wow..

torchwave: Yes. That is exactly what it means. You wait in silent expectation of His still small voice.

wow..what if the voice does not come.

torchwave: Yes. That is exactly what it means. You wait in silent expectation of His still small voice.

can I play a worship song with my phone while waiting and what body position is advisable.that is weda to lie or sit down

The place of fellowship, the place of the word, the place of prayer, the place of praise. These three are key in the place of fellowship.
fact #1: God is not man that He should lie, he has promised to reward those who diligently seek Him.Note that diligence may connote seemingly stupid perseverance and acidic faith.
fact #2: Seek more of the comforter, the holy spirit. It is good to want to see God with face, o what Glories unspeakable, something all Christians crave for but few are willing to pay the price including me. In your place of waiting however, why don't you commune with the holyspirit. I do want to believe that you are baptised with the holyspirit, and you are sure of the infilling. He us with us for a purpose and we need not go through much stress for the purpose to come good. With total faith, just ask the holyspirit to grant you audience. After that, take your Bible and tell the holyspirit to explain things to you. Have no doubt, it is expected, just as how you trust your switch to always bring light when it is on. From there, go deeper in fellowship with the holyspirit, He will help your prayer life and your place of the Word.