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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AbdH: 2:08pm On Sep 15, 2014
AlBaqir:

Thanks dear brother. What I meant is couples legally married can use contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. There are lots of hadith that talks about "withdrawal method" and this form the basis of allowing contraceptive so far there is no harm to either of the couple. But termination of pregnancy is Forbidden.

I believe that contraceptives are allowed for the same reason abortion is allowed.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 2:15pm On Sep 15, 2014
AbdH:

I believe that contraceptives are allowed for the same reason abortion is allowed.

Contraceptive is about prevention of pregnancy while Abortion is termination of pregnancy.

The two case are huge different.

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 2:15pm On Sep 15, 2014
Double post.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AbdH: 2:42pm On Sep 15, 2014
AlBaqir:

Contraceptive is about prevention of pregnancy while Abortion is termination of pregnancy.

The two case are huge different.

It is for prevention when it is harmful for the woman to conceive. That way, abortion is prevented.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:07pm On Sep 15, 2014
AbdH:

Yes it is for prevention when it is harmful for the woman to conceive. That way, abortion is prevented.
I think the whole idea of "withdrawal period" is prevention. Good for old papis who still want to do shoki shoki sho sho sho grin
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by zemaye: 3:32pm On Sep 15, 2014
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AbdH: 7:39pm On Sep 15, 2014
Empiree: I think the whole idea of " withdrawal period" is prevention. Good for old papis who still want to do shoki shoki sho sho sho grin

lipsrsealed grin
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Rilwayne001: 7:43pm On Sep 15, 2014
Empiree: I think the whole idea of " withdrawal period" is prevention. Good for old papis who still want to do shoki shoki sho sho sho grin

LOL
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 4:14am On Sep 16, 2014
My recent topic has been deleted because i criticised "ISLAM" and exposed the dark side of those teachings called Hadith and Sunna.

I think that was the only way to silence me since i wouldn't take half baked apologetics based on faith alone. But am only a bit saddened when these things happen. You may count this as my loss but it underscores something that i 've been repeating, "orthodox Islam can't stand rational criticism. That is why one or two persons here and there go about persecuting critics, hidding posts and deleting threads that are as old as 3 days in this case."
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:47am On Sep 16, 2014
usermane: My recent topic has been deleted because i criticised "ISLAM" and exposed the dark side of those teachings called Hadith and Sunna.

I think that was the only way to silence me since i wouldn't take half baked apologetics based on faith alone. But am only a bit saddened when these things happen. You may count this as my loss but it underscores something that i 've been repeating, "orthodox Islam can't stand rational criticism. That is why one or two persons here and there go about persecuting critics, hidding posts and deleting threads that are as old as 3 days in this case."
because usermane is faux who wants to re-write Islam with different meaning entirely. Not even Shia can stand you. This means you are very wrong. No one has time for your gibberish

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:26am On Sep 16, 2014
Netanyahu ‘not the man’ to make peace: Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton was recorded bashing Bibi Netanyahu, agreeing that the prime minister was “not the man” to make peace with Palestinians — a position at odds with his wife’s pro-Israel stance, a new report said Monday.

Clinton’s spontaneous comments came during an impromptu conversation with pro-Palestinian activists after he and Hillary spent the day at a political event in Iowa on Sunday, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported.

“If we don’t force him to have peace, we won’t have peace … Netanyahu is not the guy,” the activist told the ex-president in remarks recorded by C-Span at the end of its coverage of the Harkin Steak Fry.


http://nypost.com/2014/09/15/netanyahu-not-the-man-to-make-peace-bill-clinton/

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by vedaxcool(m): 2:42pm On Sep 16, 2014
lanrexlan: Hahahahahahahahaha,brother Vedaxcool no go kill person with with laugh o.
Typical examples are these pictures.

grin grin grin
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:07pm On Sep 16, 2014
Hilarious babies. These babies are used to seeing their bearded fathers. They love the beard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMPV3slCis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0fnTiKEMc

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 6:27pm On Sep 16, 2014
SIGNS OF THE LAST DAY | MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMgwwDkFxE#t=65


Incredible!! Just Incredile
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:25pm On Sep 16, 2014
Subuhannallah! all these happening before our eyes now. Truly Signs of akhir zaman
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:59am On Sep 17, 2014
Again, looks like things are clearing up gradually. Let's wait and see. A private jet seized in South Africa with $9.3million last week along with 2 Nigerians and 1 Israeli is owned by CAN president, Mr. Ayo Oritse. Maybe if investigation is sincerely done, this would probably lead to BH thing. http://naijagists.com/can-president-ayo-oritsejafor-owns-private-jet-seized-with-9-3m-in-south-africa/ . CAN really can't claim innocent in this case. Let's follow it.

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 7:31am On Sep 17, 2014

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 7:32am On Sep 17, 2014

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 8:44am On Sep 17, 2014
WHY MUSLIMS DIFFER ON METHODS TO REVIVE ISLAM AMONGST THE UMMAH
by Abdullah Al andalusi


The Muslim Ummah is diverse and broad, encompassing Muslims of many different specialisations, focuses and preferences.

The Muslim Ummah consists of Muslims who chose many vocations in life, hobbies, tastes, preferences, and specialisations. Some Muslims seek the path of Jihad, others specialise in 'self-purification' or ‘spiritual purification’ work (what I call 'Islamic Psychotherapy'), others specialise in business and economics, others specialise in education and learning in non-religious matters, some in preaching (dawah), and others specialise in studying Islamic law and jurisprudence (Islamic scholarship), and others in Islamic theology (study of creed).

To an extent, all Muslims should be acquainted with all these aspects of Islam, but every society needs specialists to excel in each of these paths in order to lead or achieve more than those who didn't have the time or resources to specialise themselves. For example, every Muslim can be a reservist in the army of a Caliphate, but not all Muslims are able to be full time professional soldiers or special forces - yet professional soldiers and special forces are vital for an effective army.

The problem is not the variety present within the Muslim world, but the parochial and narrow mindset that pervades the Muslim Ummah and the shallow level of thinking which causes Muslims to possess a very superficial level of understanding about many things. This situation within the very minds of the Muslim Ummah is the origin of the current problems of the Muslim world: the lack of independence from foreign domination, the lack of an Islamic society and environment, the lack of security and justice, the lack of unity, and the lack of resources to meet the needs of the people.

In more enlightened times, the diversity of the Ummah was a strength, and Muslims of differing specialisations worked together for the greater benefit of all - each working in their own niche under one political system, causing the society to excel and problems to be addressed. If one looks at any nation around the world, this is a self-evident observation! Some people are scientists, some people are teachers, some are artists, some are soldiers, some are entrepreneurs, some are housewives or community activists some are philosophers, some are politicians. The key to a successful society is not the exclusive domination of one vocation over another, but rather the co-ordination and organisation of people from all these vocations, into one mutually supporting whole under one unitary PURPOSE.

Over the many hundreds of years of Muslim history, Muslim thinking became narrow, which caused the collapse of the political unity of the Ummah and then, with wealth and success, Muslims rested on their past achievements and let their thinking become superficial, which ultimately led to stagnation, introversion, superstition and lack of creativity, which then resulted in a loss of strength and caused the collapse of the political system for organising the Ummah - the Caliphate.

As the Muslim Ummah started to decline, the Muslims became aware of the material and spiritual misfortunes happening to them and desperately attempted to find solutions. However, due to their narrow minded thinking, Muslims who had strong opinions or preferences for one or two aspects of Islam then divided themselves into groups (i.e. ‘revival movements’) pursuing revival ONLY through those one or two aspects of Islam. The narrow thinking of these groups cause them to view the problem only through the lens of their chosen vocations and specialisations. Due to their superficial thinking, they missed seeing the underlying problem, and only considered how to deal with the apparent symptoms. Their narrow thinking then lead them to use only the methods their vocation/specialisation offered, leading them to (mis)apply only a partial solution that in most cases made the problems worse.

These groups are known by many names, but for ease of reference they can be divided up into generic descriptive categories:

- Those who believe Jihad is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe ‘self-perfection’ is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe material wealth and success is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe learning and education in non-religious matters is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe that the study of Islamic jurisprudence is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe that preaching Islam to non-Muslims is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe that the study of all branches of Islamic Theology is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe that waiting for the Mahdi and/or Isa (a.s.) is the main way to revive the Ummah

Now to those reading through this list, it should already be apparent to many what the problem with this is, and the solution. All those aspects, are aspects of Islam, from belief in the return of Isa (a.s.) to the obligation of Jihad. However, the question is whether Muslims pursuing only one of these, or some of these will be enough to cause the revival of the Muslim Ummah.

The rational answer is that Islam contains all these aspects (Jihad, self-perfection, jurisprudence, pursuit of economic success, pursuit of learning and education in the material matters, preaching, theology, and belief in the Mahdi and Isa [a.s.]) within itself, and none can be neglected or rejected. The self-evident truth is that the Muslim Ummah’s pursuit of all these aspects will be what revival LOOKS like, but NOT the method to achieve it. This distinction should be as obvious as the distinction between a wooden chair, and the activity used by the carpenter to make the chair.

Therefore the real question is not how to performs those aspects of Islam, but rather how to CAUSE and ORGANISE the Ummah to pursue these things collectively and for a unified Islamic purpose and goal. The method for revival is not something which lies in only one aspect of Islam then, but in the method by which the Ummah is transformed to excel in all these aspects, and the removal of the obstacles in the way.

However, the obstacles in the way are the current under-use of the Ummah's capacity for applying thinking to gain a comprehensive knowledge of the world, to understand and study things correctly, and then be able to solve problems with wisdom and apply creative solutions.

The solution to this, is to cause the Muslim Ummah to expand their thinking from narrow considerations (e.g. tribe, sect, nationality or race), and to deepen their thinking to look beyond superficial analysis and understandings (e.g. how the world works, the proofs for Islam, how human beings work, science etc).

The next consideration is how to organise the Ummah to begin mutually supporting its parts to excel in all aspects of Islam. It is evident that in all successful nations and communities which are based upon a way of life, are people who are organised under a unifying idea (deen min mabda). This idea gives rise to a common system that resolves their disputes and organises their activities towards a common benefit and goal - an ideal which gives them purpose. Currently Muslims are unaware of how Islam can achieve this, and it is this ignorance that leaves Muslims confused as to how to revive the Muslim world. To give one example, many Muslims know that Islam exhorts Muslims to be ‘unified’, but few know what unity means (e.g. is it absence of disagreement? is it unanimity in all Islamic opinions?) nor do many people know how Islam can practically achieve this.

Lastly, once the solution for removing the obstacles is understood, and the solution defined for organising the Ummah, the final question is how are these solutions to be delivered to the Ummah - e.g. if we have the medicine, how do we administer it to the patient?

Following this article I will write, in parts, an address of the method of each ‘revival methodology’ and assess both the intellectual justifications, methods and the emotional causes behind their adherents. After all the different movements are addressed, a conclusion will look at this verse of Quran:

'Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves' [Quran 13:11]

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 8:51am On Sep 17, 2014
Empiree: Again, looks like things are clearing up gradually. Let's wait and see. A private jet seized in South Africa with $9.3million last week along with 2 Nigerians and 1 Israeli is owned by CAN president, Mr. Ayo Oritse. Maybe if investigation is sincerely done, this would probably lead to BH thing. http://naijagists.com/can-president-ayo-oritsejafor-owns-private-jet-seized-with-9-3m-in-south-africa/ . CAN really can't claim innocent in this case. Let's follow it.

The CAN president admitted he owned the Jet but insisted it has been leased out for the past 6months to a particular company. The report then said the $10m cash is set to procure weapon for "Nigerian Intellligent agency".
~TVCnews.

I bet nothing will come out from this.

Another Pastor, T. B Joshua recently sent over hundred members of his Church to the Journey of no return. A six-storey building guesthouse of the Church collapsed and the pastor says its the handiwork of his enemies and in another report "boko-haram".

The Lagos State Environmental agency revealed that the guesthouse was initially a 4-storey building built with 4-storey building FOUNDATION. The church later added 2-stories to make it 6 stories building without restructuring its foundation.

That's a crime. I bet nothing will also come out of it.

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 2:23am On Sep 18, 2014
AlBaqir:

The CAN president admitted he owned the Jet but insisted it has been leased out for the past 6months to a particular company. The report then said the $10m cash is set to procure weapon for "Nigerian Intellligent agency".
~TVCnews.

I bet nothing will come out from this.

Another Pastor, T. B Joshua recently sent over hundred members of his Church to the Journey of no return. A six-storey building guesthouse of the Church collapsed and the pastor says its the handiwork of his enemies and in another report "boko-haram".

The Lagos State Environmental agency revealed that the guesthouse was initially a 4-storey building built with 4-storey building FOUNDATION. The church later added 2-stories to make it 6 stories building without restructuring its foundation.

That's a crime. I bet nothing will also come out of it.

Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 2:28am On Sep 18, 2014
3:54 And they plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:40am On Sep 18, 2014
tbaba12345: WHY MUSLIMS DIFFER ON METHODS TO REVIVE ISLAM AMONGST THE UMMAH
by Abdullah Al andalusi



These groups are known by many names, but for ease of reference they can be divided up into generic descriptive categories:

- Those who believe Jihad is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe ‘self-perfection’ is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe material wealth and success is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe learning and education in non-religious matters is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe that the study of Islamic jurisprudence is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe that preaching Islam to non-Muslims is the main way to revive the Ummah - Those who believe that the study of all branches of Islamic Theology is the main way to revive the Ummah -Those who believe that waiting for the Mahdi and/or Isa (a.s.) is the main way to revive the Ummah

'Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves' [Quran 13:11]
This is very similar to what eminent scholar of Islam, Dr. Israr Ahmed in his book The Rise And Fall Of The Muslim Ummah. He said these different groups actually working for Allah. He said sometimes, they unite, sometimes, they clash. He further quoted the same ayah above. He also said that these different groups (of the past generations) have done their best in stages and handed over to the next (present generation of Muslims). And he quoted a verse which says "you will get there (in stages)".
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 2:04am On Sep 19, 2014
UKIP’s former deputy leader calls for passages from Qur’an to be banned

"Monckton cited several passages of the Koran that he says call for the murder of nonbelievers, but failed to include the portions of the Christian Bible that call for the execution of homosexual men (Leviticus 20:13), the stoning death of adulterous women (Luke 16:18) and the killing of “sorceresses” (Exodus 22:17), blasphemers (Leviticus 24:10), and whole cities if they follow other religions (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)."

http://www.loonwatch.com/2014/09/ukips-former-deputy-leader-calls-for-passages-from-quran-to-be-banned/
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 7:04am On Sep 19, 2014
^They have been many loonies coming out, since ISIS.

From ISIS fanboys to islamophobes.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:16am On Sep 19, 2014
tbaba12345: ^They have been many loonies coming out, since ISIS.

From ISIS fanboys to islamophobes.
do we have 2 tbabas? i noticed tbaba1234 and tbaba12345. Same dude?
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 5:13pm On Sep 19, 2014
Empiree: do we have 2 tbabas? i noticed tbaba1234 and tbaba12345. Same dude?

grin

The very oga at the top banned tbaba1234 for demanding muslim rights. Apparently, stating the obvious is falsehood and deserving of a lengthy ban.

Don't worry, tbaba1234 will be back soon and all will be revealed. In sha Allah.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:56pm On Sep 19, 2014
tbaba12345:

grin

The very oga at the top banned tbaba1234 for demanding muslim rights. Apparently, stating the obvious is falsehood and deserving of a lengthy ban.

Don't worry, tbaba1234 will be back soon and all will be revealed. In sha Allah.
so it's not tbaba1234 as I know it that have been around all the while?. I mean the brother in PA but probably in naija at the moment?. So how long he gone?. both tbabas have same undertone, style of writing etc. Just noticed this morning and it got me wondering.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 12:05am On Sep 20, 2014
Empiree: so it's not tbaba1234 as I know it that have been around all the while?. I mean the brother in PA but probably in naija at the moment?. So how long he gone?. both tbabas have same undertone, style of writing etc. Just noticed this morning and it got me wondering.

lol... What do you think? Is it not obvious?
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 12:10am On Sep 20, 2014
tbaba12345:

lol... What do you think? Is it not obvious?
haha....got u. my same brother grin
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 6:34am On Sep 20, 2014
In the past people learned Islam from the behavior of Muslims. But today we have to tell people "Don't judge Islam by the actions of the Muslims." Islam is not what Muslims do, but what they are supposed to do.

Dr Bilal Philips

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by tbaba12345: 7:21am On Sep 20, 2014
How Merciful a Lord that He did not allow us to know the future.

How many of us would shy away from our dreams knowing that we would inevitably fail? How many of us would escape the idea of love knowing that we would inevitably lose it? How many of us would not study, or have children, or embark on a journey, knowing that these things would bring us much pain?

We would live small, simple lives. We would never try, never climb, never soar.

Had I known Amr would no longer be with me less than three years into our marriage, had I known the intensity of the pain and the loss, had I known how empty the world would seem without his love – had I known, the fear in me would have never allowed me to marry him.

But if I hadn’t married him, I wouldn’t have known how deep the depth of love is. I wouldn’t have had Ruqaya who astounds me every day with her sweetness and love and utter imperfect perfection. I would have lived a safe life, but small and without light and without joy.

I’ve heard many people lamenting over their situations saying “if only I had known” – but if you had “known” what hardships would come, you wouldn’t have ever striven to do something and be someone better. You wouldn’t have done anything. You would have sat at home, feeble and crippled by fear.

The pain hurts, yes. The failure stings, yes. The bottom where you’ve fallen has scraped you deeply, yes. You may look into the mirror and no longer recognize yourself from the wounds that now line your heart.

But healing is beautiful, and success comes after failure. And when you are at the bottom, you learn how to build up better than before. You may not know it now, but the awkward and imperfect scabs and scars on your heart make it beautiful.

How Merciful a Lord to not let us know our futures. He is Merciful to let us fail, and Merciful to let us lose, and Merciful to let us feel pain.

It is only because of this Mercy that we are able to try and strive and attempt love and happiness. Alhamdulillah.

- Asmaa Hussein

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