For all. Non medical personnel viewing this post let me draw parallels for you so you can understand NMAs position

LAW: paralegals fight to become SANs! Because they have worked for so many years and no how to produce law Briefs better than most lawyers
ACCOUNTING : Clerks in major companies want to be viewed as chartered accountants because they know the company's books better than the accountant
EDUCATION: lab attendants want to become professors
ENGINEERING:mechanics refer to themselves as engineers based on the road side tutelage they have received

The fact is in every sector there is always the pinnacle of the sector where a specific few who have certain qualities others lack have risen to! Most of these people are referred to as professional or are said to study professional courses in the university!

In any sane environment these distinctions help to create peace and a sense of duty! Even in the jungle a lion is a lion!

Consultants are referred to as Attendings in the USA! And I have never heard of an attending nurse or an attending pharmacist!

Why do you covet what has been nurtured and protected by doctors for years! The only reason a consultant is carried with prestige in the hospital is because all and sundry can see the pain he went through to get there!

JOHESU has bastardized the doctor tag with even the med lab guy referring to himself as a doctor ! So NMA says no to you further bastardizing our most esteemed title ! The consultant!

Find some other appellation e.g most superior nurse, the most powerful physio etc
Lollllolololo!'

phantomm: please stop luring shamelessly here. doctors send patients to erondu because he gives them a cut per patient they send. say the truth. it is unethical to split fees in medicine and those doctors are committing crimes BUT as per expertise, image diagnostics is zero. in UPTH, before you are treated, you must repeat the radio. investigations in the radiology dept of Upth. they don't accept results from outside. what knowledge do degree holders in radiography have about diagnoses?? don't make me laugh.they are bound to make wrong diagnoses once in a while.no one is infallible.but to say they send to image diagnostics because of wrong diagnoses us a bare faced lie. people are becoming aware that image is not a doctor and thank god professionalism is coming into play. in the last couple of years proper diagnostic centers are opening up.trans view, union, precision, George's e.t.c.

I don´t have the time to explain these things to you, but from an insiders perspective, i know the truth. Thats all

@phantom if l have not worked in Lagos, l would be tempted to believe ur lie abt Radiologists having there stamps bt that is not d bone of contention. I remember vividly during my internship in a fed teaching hsptl, some clinicians esp consultants would plead dt our most Senior chief in d dept (chief radiographer) should handle dia case. This is because he as good as knows it all as far as rdphy is concerned. If dis chief is made a consultant radiographer, l see no way it should be a problem to d gynaecologist, obstetrician, surgeon, etc because he consults in his own field nd doesn't interfere in others' fields. Likewise other professionals in other fields. lf d civil service law stipulates dt upon reaching level 15, one is entitled to become a director, how is dt suppose to be a problem to the docs. It's high time we saw ourselves as colleagues nd teammates in healthcare nd stop antagonising each osha. A basic med knowledge is dt d patient is d most important person in d hospital, let's consider dem 1st nd stop dis ego. thing

ikechiozo:

For your information, Interpretation of Radiographs, is not rocket science... Many radiography program have pattern recognition and image interpretation in their curriculum and most of the contents of the Residency program are treated in the B.Sc radiography programs. Radiologist in many countries are drifting towards interventional radiology, rather the radiologist in Nigeria have ndetermined to do the elementary aspect of radiology. It shows the rot in the system.

let your government fund healthcare and train their doctors.is it my fault I am stuck with an archaic MRI or ct machine? is it my fault our mammo machine is dead? who will train me in interventional radiology? how many do we have in Nigeria apart from Ahidjo and gambari in the north who were trained abroad?
pattern recognition loooooooooool. o boy how can you diagnose sarcoidosis on xray when you don't know what it is,its epidemiology and its pathophysiology?? abeg die this matter.

After all the grammer they are blowing, let them attend to patients now doctors are on strike. Even though the doctors' demands and reasons for going on strike are not tangible enuogh, I guess they are doing it to curtail the over- ambitious attitude of other health workers in the system. There is nowhere in the world where support staff can have equal rights with core staff. In the health sector, especially hospitals, staff other than the doctors are support staff. Let JOHESU or whatever they call themselves take it or not.

heykims:
I hope u re aware dt d medical lab scientists re already pushing for d BMLS degree to be changed to DMLS (Doctor of Medical Laboratory Science).

Do you blame them. When Optometrists no longer want a B.sc in Optometry but are now wasting six years in the university just to change their normal B.sc cert of 4years to O.D( doctor of Optometry).

Every one wants to answer a Doctor by fire and by force, yet none want to make the sacrifices required to be deemed fit enough to be admitted into an MBBS programme. Bunch of charlatans!

Burger01: Doctors and pride! Like they can run the health system without the supports of other function parts of the system. SMH

this issues discussed here are way to deep for you.you are better of not having an opinion. we are striking today so that people like you won't get treated by a consultant nurse tomorrow, because let's face it, going by post above you wouldn't be able to tell a consultant cleaner from a consultant gynaecologist.

debuscket: @phantom if l have not worked in Lagos, l would be tempted to believe ur lie abt Radiologists having there stamps bt that is not d bone of contention. I remember vividly during my internship in a fed teaching hsptl, some clinicians esp consultants would plead dt our most Senior chief in d dept (chief radiographer) should handle dia case. This is because he as good as knows it all as far as rdphy is concerned. If dis chief is made a consultant radiographer, l see no way it should be a problem to d gynaecologist, obstetrician, surgeon, etc because he consults in his own field nd doesn't interfere in others' fields. Likewise other professionals in other fields. lf d civil service law stipulates dt upon reaching level 15, one is entitled to become a director, how is dt suppose to be a problem to the docs. It's high time we saw ourselves as colleagues nd teammates in healthcare nd stop antagonising each osha. A basic med knowledge is dt d patient is d most important person in d hospital, let's consider dem 1st nd stop dis ego. thing

To your point even in law a SAN would have his favorite paralegal who he wants to type his brief for him!
I have my favorite nurses I like to work with because they understand me ! One of them is even called my wife because of our almost telepathic connection when working! But that does not make her more than what she is( an assistant)!

For him to now covet the doctors consultant title is funny ! He knows how to operate the X-ray machine better than most of his surbordinates but what else does he know! Can he differentiate between a normal chest Radiograph and a defective one ! The answer his a big NO! He his just a good radiographer!

There are experienced surgeons who have worked for years and can carry out certain procedures even consultants in the speciality would not touch but they don't and cannot because of their experience abrogate the title consultant to themselves!
The same way only lawyers can become SANS, lecturers can become Professors, so is the same way only doctors can become consultants in the medical fields!!
Shikena!!

theexpected:
First of all if u want to quote me, do it properly, u joined my statement with urs making it incomprehensible!!!!!.......
Also u dnt just say "reason b4 u type" for no reason, it doesnt make u look any wiser.
D title CONSULTANT is researved in the health profession, it is not for everybody, it is not even for all doctors! JOHESU should look for their own name and make it prestigious then they can begin to share it with everybody




Just like saying everyone who works in a court should bacome SAN because they are important

pay no mind to that quoting error. Err body can't be a Consultant. U need to get my point of view which is to allow other practitioners to improve and become wat they want to become. Its now left for whoever that wants to fill in the consultancy gap to acquire the necessary knowledge n training. N this will only amount to few individuals succeeding. Tell me, will u be happy if because u r not the first Son n ur dad wills everything to him even when u know the property can go round comfortably?

ikechiozo:

I don´t have the time to explain these things to you, but from an insiders perspective, i know the truth. Thats all

yeah.......because it has also dawned on you that I'm also an insider.erondu shares hampers and gifts to doctors who have really sent the mist patients to him every Christmas.true or false? is it ethical to split fees?
just because those vain port Harcourt oil wives who don't know their left from their right throng to his place just to know the sex of their babies DOES NOT make him a radiologist. he's just a very good businessman. QED.

debuscket: @phantom do u knw dt Dr Okechukwu Erondu of image diagnostics pH u mentioned dumped MBBS to study med radiography@ UNN. Do u knw Hw many docs he employed in his centre. U cited an exceptional case where a radiographer wrongly reported ur case to be a normal chest radiograph, u of all pple should knw dt even ur consultants r not immune to mistakes and who told u dt radiography is all abt x-ray nd CT(which u can't even handle) who Man's such modalities as MRI, radiotherapy, ultrasound, mammography, etc. Nobody is trying to take anybody's position bt 4 one to call a fellow team mate in d healthcare team "inferior nd unnecessary" as well as try to hinder his progress in his chosen field/profession is uncalled for nd unacceptable. Most(not all docs) r just being too egocentric. Long live JOHESU

Dr. Okechukwu Erondu is well known to me. Although he has a lot of Doctors on his Pay book but u forgot a part of the story. It was his desire to be an MBBS doctor but due to his inability to Pass the Oct 1995 2nd MBBS exam, he was withdrawn from medical school. So I wonder who dumped who.

How many Dr. Erondu's can you count? If he had MBBS earlier, then he cannot be a radiographer. If he passed the exams he is a radiologist which is a specialist position. A world of difference.

PharmGreg:
by specialize do u mean having an Msc?

Yes

debuscket: @phantom if l have not worked in Lagos, l would be tempted to believe ur lie abt Radiologists having there stamps bt that is not d bone of contention. I remember vividly during my internship in a fed teaching hsptl, some clinicians esp consultants would plead dt our most Senior chief in d dept (chief radiographer) should handle dia case. This is because he as good as knows it all as far as rdphy is concerned. If dis chief is made a consultant radiographer, l see no way it should be a problem to d gynaecologist, obstetrician, surgeon, etc because he consults in his own field nd doesn't interfere in others' fields. Likewise other professionals in other fields. lf d civil service law stipulates dt upon reaching level 15, one is entitled to become a director, how is dt suppose to be a problem to the docs. It's high time we saw ourselves as colleagues nd teammates in healthcare nd stop antagonising each osha. A basic med knowledge is dt d patient is d most important person in d hospital, let's consider dem 1st nd stop dis ego. thing

I agree! everyone can aspire to be what they want to be. you seem intelligent so let me ask you. are our people intelligent enough to differentiate a consultant physician from a consultant pharmacist? don't you think like everything in this country, this particular issue WILL be abused?? who will suffer? do you think the patient is the center in all this? our people are largely illiterate and I can assure you corrupt paramedical will use this as an opportunity to fleece Nigerians. my brother open your eyes. this will destroy healthcare.mark my words!

From what is going on in the health sector, it is obvious that government cannot run the system efficiently. Politics & sentiments have over-ridden common sense. The NMA (medical doctors) have their problems but Johesu (paramedics) don't seem to know their functions in the hospital. As their name imply, they are simply hospital support staff. The issue here is poverty (what do I take home). The doctor is the head of the team. There are different specialties/subspecialists in medicine. The healthcare delivery system cannot function properly without them. He sees patients, makes a diagnosis & outlines management. The nurses (largest in number) are the custodians of patients, they observe them & give feedback to the doctors. The laboratory scientists/technologist/technician etc. are domicile in the lab. & can work on samples without necessarily having contact with patients. Few of them are needed in a hospital. The pharmacist are not primarily trained to work in the hospital. Few of them are needed to run the hospital pharmacy. The Johesu press release is a document designed to misinform the public & to gain undue relevance & fringe benefits.
Strikes in the health sector is detrimental to the patients. They should be alternative ways of settling industrial disputes.
Finally, government should begin a gradual process of partnering with the private section to run her hospitals. This is the only way the system can be efficient.

phantomm: this issues discussed here are way to deep for you.you are better of not having an opinion. we are striking today so that people like you won't get treated by a consultant nurse tomorrow, because let's face it, going by post above you wouldn't be able to tell a consultant cleaner from a consultant gynaecologist.

My dear, a consultant nurse will do wonders o. He! I know wat m saying bro. Forget this Doctors public status. Nurses nowadays r fire. Been privileged to witness wia a student nurse defended a medical student who made a point but couldn't explain it during a ward round. Come see the Chief fuming and bastardizing the med students for not been able to answer his questions while a "common nurse" is doing so. I don witness dis things up to 8 times. On one occasion, the Chief had to tell the nurses not to go on rounds with em. Of course its not possible, the student nurse had to keep shut to questions. My guy, those nurses are fire.

Jummy mine: i am a surgeon, and sincerely i am yet to meet a doctor who says the others who workin the health system are not important. the situation in nigeria is simply pathetic. we have developed a culture of not knowing our places, simply and short!
nowhere except nigeria does a patient call the nurse a doctor and she/he will not correct the patient!
its just like a traditional birth attendant that will not admit beijg diffrent from a nurse.
i workmin ife where some 8f he leaders, nay, creators of this johesu come from and know the way they run their issues. one of these creators even tried to get into amedical program in ghana!
The creation of johesu itself shows how critically essential the individual groups who formed it are.
they dare not strike alone, as nobodynwill know anything is happening, except perhaps the nurses. the physios, and this is not putting anydbody down, led by one of the national johesu hotheads, went on strike in ifefor 3 and a half months. even the ortho dept was running without hitches.
the pharmacists once tried it too, people just continued gtting their drugs fro outside as they used to do even when they were around.
As for the nurses, can anyone here actually claim honestly that serving food, serving drugs, geting the vital signs, makjng the beds and giving the patients a good psychological state are not doable by others? The nurses once went on strike for four months when i was in part 4. We got medical students and the relatives to fill in for the nurses. According to the study of the morbidiy and mortality that was carried out at ghe time, there was no diffrence! That is why when the nursesstrike, they have to lock up the equipment.
As for the kab guys, well, who wouldnt say yhey are essential? They however, and i know most of them know this, hopefully, are being largely replaced by automated systems. a million full blood counts can be run over a year by four lab guys! if automated systems are allowed (they obstruct its purchase and use in govt settings), at least three quarters of hem in the govt establishments wil be out of a job! note that i run e and u and abgs on my icu patients without seing any lab guy.
ALL I HAVE WRITTEN IS NOT WALLAHI TO DENIGRATE ANYBODY, but to point out why people should know their limits and act within it.

THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO GANG UP TOGETHER TO FIGHT THE DOCTORS ITSELF HAS SHOWN

who made u a sugeon? Re u done wit residency? Wen did u fiinish house jobs sef. Park well. Ur english is horrible too. Mr know all. No be dis OAU?

phantomm: this issues discussed here are way to deep for you.you are better of not having an opinion. we are striking today so that people like you won't get treated by a consultant nurse tomorrow, because let's face it, going by post above you wouldn't be able to tell a consultant cleaner from a consultant gynaecologist.

Pride! Written all over you. I know the issues discussed. I don't need your pride infested itis of your damned brain. It's only in Nigeria I see doctors with such stupid pride as this mofo.

Acidosis:

You are an illiterate.

A University Bursar/Accountant, Reigistrar and Librarian all belong to NASU.
They are bosses in their fields already..

Lol, like an average "literate" Nigerian who thinks NASU is all about gate keepers, carpenters etc

We have accountants, auditors and head of Administration who are not doctors. That's OK but NOT THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR haba that position is SACROSANCT just like the Chief Judge or the Vice Chancellor of the High Court & university respectively.
Abeg JOHESU make una chill from that side

Uncle odi:

I thought that scientists are those that invent new things. And they are mostly seen touring the moon and back. So I prefer the word Lab Technologist bcus their work is technical and there hasn't been any record of new inventions by the so called lab scientists.

Abinitio in the days of hypocrates and the ancient medical practitioners, they did everything themselves without the alied health workers. But as medicine evolved, there was a proverbial "let's make man in our own image and likeness" so some group of people were called together and were thought how to collect samples and run some basic investigations/lab tests. They were called Lab Technicians.
Since then till date, the work has not changed! The only thing that changed was the quest to be equated as Doctors hence the speedy upgrade from technical health schools to a University. This doesn't make u scientists. Remember, all u study in school in 5years, the doctor did that in 1year. The 3rd MB Class and there is nothing u know the doctor don't know more. Can the mother ever be addressed as the head of the family in the Bible? The answer is no! No matter how foolish the man is, he is programmed to be the head and the wife the helper. So the wife can help the husband become better and not to over throw him. Period.

Sentiments apart, u can't suffer so much to be a doctor right from JAMB days and expect to be rubbished latter by mediocres.

chai! Your level of reasoning is far too low by a mile. So long as you're a Ph.D holder you can be addressed as a Doctor, Yes or No.? So, of what importance is the title anyway. MBBS is a first degree and so is BMLS and D.Pharm. So, Bleep off Mr clinician...

Burger01:
Pride! Written all over you. I know the issues discussed. I don't need your pride infested itis of your damned brain. It's only in Nigeria I see doctors with such stupid pride as this mofo.

..... but you ll push your kids into medicine the slightest chance you get.....newt! lol

Consultants and Chief Medical Officers in other Government Hospitals in the Developed World (International best practices/standards). We do not need to travel far and wide to know what is happening in other parts of the world because the world has become a global village, all thanks to information technology. The conflict in Nigeria health sector has tugged me to search for what is obtainable on the key warring issues in other developed countries. Ideally the Nigeria Health system format is supposed to be compared with that of the Britain(not the Americans) since Nigeria adopted and is using the British educational/health systems; however reference has been made on American health system in this write up, for obvious reason.

I deliberately sourced for all information from current and popular international encyclopedia and/or professional websites not hosted by medical doctors.

. Medical/hospital Consultant:
The term or title "consultant" is coined from consultation. It is wise to see the standard definitions of medical consultation; which are: Medical consultation is a formal meeting with a medical doctor for discussion or the seeking of advice {www.en.m.wikipedia.org/consultation(medical)}. It is also defined as a procedure whereby, on request by one Physician, another Physician reviews a patients medical history, examines the patient and makes recommendation as to care and treatment( www.medical dictionary.freedictionary.com/medical consultation). In the UK, Republic of Ireland and parts of the commonwealth countries Medical
Consultant is the title of a senior hospital-based physician or surgeon who has completed all of his/her specialist training{www.en.m.wikipedia.org/consultant(medicine) , www.medicaldictionary.thefreedictionary.com/consultant(medicine), www.gapmedics.co.uk/difference between consultant and a doctor in a hospital }

. Consultant Pharmacist:
In America Pharmacists are broadly grouped into two:
1. Health system pharmacist
2. Consultant pharmacist

The health system pharmacist is hospital-based pharmacist that provides care to patient on healthcare team. They undergo residency training but are not awarded the title of consultant.(www.asph.org). Consultant Pharmacists are pharmacist that work as private pharmacist for individual elderly persons or is employed to work in old people homes(institute) to enhance quality of care for all old persons. They are non-hospital staff and do not undergo residency training but write preparation/recertification examinations. They are also called senior care pharmacists (www.ascp.com).

. Consultant Nurse:
In USA Consultant Nurse is a registered nurse who uses expertise as a healthcare provider and specialized training to consult on medical related legal case. They assist attorneys in reading medical records and understanding medical terminology and healthcare issues to achieve the best results for their client. They are non-hospital staff.( www.en.m.wikipedia.org/nurse consultant)

. Chief Medical Director (Office):
This title is used in many countries for the senior government official designated as head of medical services, usually at the national level. He advices and leads a team of medical experts on matters of importance. { www.en.m.wikipedia.org/chief medical officer, medicaldictionary.thefreedictionary.com/chief medical officer, www.ehow.com/chief medicalofficer, www. gov.uk/government/people/sally-davies}

. Surgeon General In the United States and many areas of the British Commonwealth:
This title refers to a physician commissioned by government and entrusted with the public health responsibilities. In Uk Surgeon General is the senior medical officer of the British Armed Forces (www.en.m.wikipedia/surgeon general UK/USA).

. Hospital Chief Executive Officer:
This is the highest management position within a hospital in the capitalist countries. He or she is expected to have masters in business Administration, masters in healthcare Administration etc( in Nigeria such a position is designated as Director of Administration in Teaching H[truncated by WhatsApp]

. Chief Medical Director (Office):
This title is used in many countries for the senior government official designated as head of medical services, usually at the national level. He advices and leads a team of medical experts on matters of importance. { www.en.m.wikipedia.org/chief medical officer, medicaldictionary.thefreedictionary.com/chief medical officer, www.ehow.com/chief medicalofficer, www. gov.uk/government/people/sally-davies}

Hospital Chief Executive Officer:
This is the highest management position within a hospital in the capitalist countries. He or she is expected to have masters in business Administration, masters in healthcare Administration etc( in Nigeria such a position is designated as Director of Administration in Teaching Hospitals)www.degreetree.com/how to become a
hospital ceo.

. Health Care Professionals
They are divided into two broad groups:
1. Core Healthcare Professionals
2. Support (Allied) Healthcare Professionals

The core professionals are doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Others, except these three, are allied professionals (www.wikipedia.org/allied health professions)

By Archibong F.
archlix@yahoo.com

I really don't know what some of you think, i say some because not all think the way most of you do. To you, you are infallible in your field. Only doctors make mistakes Should I start from how x-ray films are so poorly shot, or how nurses have maltreated patients in the ward to the extent that patients fear to approach them, or how erroneous lab result can be, that most results are repeated in private lab like pathcare, and if a doctor subjects such results to evaluation and clarification, such doctor becomes arrogant, if he goes ahead with the result and patient don't get better, you run back to say the doctor is incompetent. Like always say, all you are good at is stirring up emotion from the 'ignorant masses'. imagine the way JOHESU started their press release, the same manner of stirring blackmailing emotions.

For a doctor to become a specialist, a consultant, he passes through one of the most demanding post graduate training and examination, trained in both art and science of medicine. No matter how long a Medical Officer (doctor, not on residency training) works in a teaching hospital, he can never become a consultant or CMD. But a nurse wants to become a consultant without further training, how does that sound to your ear. A teaching hospital is given such name because it's basically for training, what does a nurse know about training of resident doctors. To worsen issues, such consultant nurse wants to see patients just like consultant doctor... on a lighter note, I think the world has finally come to an end, there's no better sign than this

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humnsikan: This is getting too much. These
doctors have turned our hospitals
into death traps by their refusal to
humble themselves and recognize
and appreciate the expertise of
other healthcare professionals and the roles they play in healthcare delivery. One of their grouses, I've learnt, is about the recent go ahead the FG and National Assembly have given, which allows Pharmacists, Nurses, Physiotherapists, Medical Laboratory Scientists, and Radiographers who have reached a certain professional level in their respective fields to be appointed consultants in those fields.
This is so selfish of the doctors and
born out of envy. The doctors cannot bring themselves to see someone else being called Consultant. This is similar to professors of Engineering
proceeding on Strike because a
Senior Lecturer of Law is to be
appointed as professor of Law, NOT ENGINEERING. Imagine the
disconnect! Doctors should put aside this arrogance of theirs and emulate their peers in civilized climes who see healthcare delivery as teamwork,
not a one-man show to the
detriment of the patient. Without
proper care by way of nursing,
perform all the surgery you can conceive of, the patient will still die. Need I say that medicine is like a container and drugs the content? Pour out the
content and the container is useless! Perform all the surgery and reach every diagnoses, but withhold the drugs or administer them inappropriately, and the patient will still die or be permanently handicapped. No wonder we have so many drug related deaths (courtesy doctors who refuse to see and appreciate the importance of other healthcare professionals). In fact, in some states in the US, the doctor is not allowed to unanimously write prescriptions; either a clinical pharmacist or clinical pharmacologist must be there to guide the physician. This guys use complex pharmacokinetic equations to predict blood levels of potentially toxic drugs; thereby, avoiding medication-related problems and ensuring safety and efficacy, for the overall good of the patient. This is a sane society where human lives a placed above narrow ambitions and envy.
Need I also say that for confirmatory diagnosis to be made, Laboratory or Radiographic results are needed, which falls into the jurisdiction of Med. Lab. Scientists and Radiographers. Many deaths would have been avoided if some of this doctors ever bothered to confirm their preliminary or tentative diagnosis by ordering for laboratory tests. Yet you see them covering up
these avoidable deaths with medical jargons. Some of these doctors are very corrupt, but it is we the masses that suffer at the end of the day.
Doctors are truly a blessing to
humanity, but, like everything in
Nigeria, it is being taken over by
some charlatans. No one forced
anyone to study any course,
including medicine; so they should
not bother us with all these
shenanigans of theirs. In fact, they
are currently among the highest
earning government workers.

FD_enigma: An Analysis of JOHESU (continued):

Pharmacists:

These professionals are university trained. Unfortunately, in the government sector, their role appears to have been largely limited to procuring, stocking and dispensing of medications. Occasional attempts to involve themselves in patient care is often tainted by the mutual suspicion between them and the clinician (doctor) directly responsible for the patients.
The Pharm.D (Doctor of Pharmacy) programme is currently the standard in the USA but is under some controversy in Nigeria as other university academics (excluding medical doctors) are unhappy by what appears to be a shortcut to a Ph.D equivalent.
Some pharmacists want(ed) to be medical doctors. In some pharmacies, they are already masquerading as doctors.
Some are quite satisfied being what they always dreamt of.

many not some. For u to graduate as a pharmacist, u must have d passion for it. U would never graduate if ur wishing to be sumtin else while in pharm schl. Nobody calls me doctor without getting some education, I'm a pharmacist and a proud one at dat. Never and will evr wish to be a med doc. And d general idea dat second class brain go into those allied med is so amusing. I rejected an admission into UI medicine wen I was in ss2.. Cum down ur high horse.

phantomm: ..... but you ll push your kids into medicine the slightest chance you get.....newt! lol

Nitwit! You don't need to push your kids into medicine if that won't be his/her interest. Interest varies and I believe there are equally better professions out there with pay X3 yours. Please tell me one ICD code to qualify your dysfunction cerebral.. Pride. SMH

Burger01:
Nitwit! You don't need to push your kids into medicine if that won't be his/her interest. Interest varies and I believe there are equally better professions out there with pay X3 yours. Please tell me one ICD code to qualify your dysfunction cerebral.. Pride. SMH

** o lord, where's an insecticide when you need one? **

phantomm: ** o lord, where's an insecticide when you need one? **

Good for you. Meatball.

s!s! afrika:
many not some. For u to graduate as a pharmacist, u must have d passion for it. U would never graduate if ur wishing to be sumtin else while in pharm schl. Nobody calls me doctor without getting some education, I'm a pharmacist and a proud one at dat. Never and will evr wish to be a med doc. And d general idea dat second class brain go into those allied med is so amusing. I rejected an admission into UI medicine wen I was in ss2.. Cum down ur high horse.

but you colleagues answer 'doctor' in town. carrying stethoscopes about like their lives depend on them.....lol

Drphemmy4u: After d usual 6yrs (plus Xyears) in medical school,1year internship and 1year NYSC,a Doctor could proceed on post graduate studies by writing primaries depending on d specialty he wants to go into.this could be laboratory medicine(histopathology,microbiology,chemical pathology,haematology),Radiology etc.this involves passing 3 exams.Candidates pay between 100-150k per exam.Doctors could write the exams many times before passing and can even get released from residency in a teaching hospital if he fails to progress within a set time period.it takes 6-12yrs depending on your speed(plus research work),thus becoming a consultant in that specialty(taking 14-20yrs of academic and hospital practice).NOW,a lab scientist who studied only at undergraduate level in 5yrs wants to become a consultant in that field simply because he has been using reagents and analysing samples?those who can go for masters and PhD amongst them should do so and become lecturers under the university(They lecture medical students in pathology classes too).This needless fight for supremacy should stop.The patients are at the receiving end here.

This is kind of mind set I hate reading on this forum. Physicians cannot impose their guide line of ascendancy on other health profession. Be reminded that these other professionals have their postgraduate colleges that determine standard for appointment of consultant. If the govt is fine with their standard by way of approval and recognition, what is the concern of physicians on this. They are consultant in their own field and not in medicine.

It is therefore wicked and insulting for NMA to embark on strike bc of this.

Tbamo: For all. Non medical personnel viewing this post let me draw parallels for you so you can understand NMAs position

LAW: paralegals fight to become SANs! Because they have worked for so many years and no how to produce law Briefs better than most lawyers
ACCOUNTING : Clerks in major companies want to be viewed as chartered accountants because they know the company's books better than the accountant
EDUCATION: lab attendants want to become professors
ENGINEERING:mechanics refer to themselves as engineers based on the road side tutelage they have received

The fact is in every sector there is always the pinnacle of the sector where a specific few who have certain qualities others lack have risen to! Most of these people are referred to as professional or are said to study professional courses in the university!

In any sane environment these distinctions help to create peace and a sense of duty! Even in the jungle a lion is a lion!

Consultants are referred to as Attendings in the USA! And I have never heard of an attending nurse or an attending pharmacist!

Why do you covet what has been nurtured and protected by doctors for years! The only reason a consultant is carried with prestige in the hospital is because all and sundry can see the pain he went through to get there!

JOHESU has bastardized the doctor tag with even the med lab guy referring to himself as a doctor ! So NMA says no to you further bastardizing our most esteemed title ! The consultant!

Find some other appellation e.g most superior nurse, the most powerful physio etc
Lollllolololo!'

now there's a conscious awakening and a paradigm shift mr clinician. So, deal with it...

Uncle odi:

Dr. Okechukwu Erondu is well known to me. Hour had a lot of Doctors on his Pay book but u forgot a part of the story. It was his desire to be an MBBS doctor but due to his inability to Pass the Oct 1995 2nd MBBS exam, he was withdrawn from medical school. So I wonder who dumped who.

SMH!! So this is the kind of deceit you people are fed with? As at this time you quoted he was working towards his M.Sc in Medical Imaging at the University of Nigeria.

bumfem:
This is kind of mind set I hate reading on this forum. Physicians cannot impose their guide line of ascendancy on other health profession. Be reminded that these other professionals have their postgraduate colleges that determine standard for appointment of consultant. If the govt is fine with their standard by way of approval and recognition, what is the concern of physicians on this. They are consultant in their own field and not in medicine.

It is therefore wicked and insulting for NMA to embark on strike bc of this.

I know of west African college of nurses ( cracks me up everytime...lol ) can you please list the others?

phantomm: let your government fund healthcare and train their doctors.is it my fault I am stuck with an archaic MRI or ct machine? is it my fault our mammo machine is dead? who will train me in interventional radiology? how many do we have in Nigeria apart from Ahidjo and gambari in the north who were trained abroad?
pattern recognition loooooooooool. o boy how can you diagnose sarcoidosis on xray when you don't know what it is,its epidemiology and its pathophysiology?? abeg die this matter.

Is that your most challenging Case? Grow up!!