EnlightenedSoul:

He clearly stated that the [supposed] acceptance of homosexuality in this generation would lead to incèst being highly esteemed in upcoming generations, making homosexuality the precursor for incèst in confines of his statement. As pointed out, it's a fallacy plain and simple. In that trend, what was homosexuality's precursor on it's road to acceptability?

freshdude2: And never mind the
iincest disgust you feel now, perhaps in
your children's generation it will be
accorded the same respect as
homosexualiity. It's all a matter of time, all
it takes is a group of courageous perverts
and before you know it..

ConfusedSoul: Consensual or not, homosexuality and incèst are not the same.

freshdude2: Don't be the clown who twists other people's arguments to make yourself sound smart. Perhaps, my earlier post is the slippery slope that made you into an idiiot.

And oh, pedoplilia will soon officially be made an illness as against a crime. Which means pedophiiles might be required to see specialists rather than be incarcerated and at worst be confined to mental institutions which, itself, is highly improbable.

It's all about freedom and what one chooses to find reprehensible or disgusting. If Man A is free to fvck Man B without eyebrows being raised, why should Man A fvcking his sister right in the pusssy or fvcking an under-16 be disgusting to someone else. It's all a matter of preference, wouldn't you agree?

I've never seen anybody fvck their sibling in public, so, that should be naturally be noone's business if they did it behind closed doors.

Nah, we're mourning your comprehension deficiency.

And oh, pedoplilia will soon officially be made an illness as against a crime.

EnlightenedSoul:

I did not twist your statement: read and comprehend.

Watch as this here "idiiot" graciously schools you in Psych 101 and Introduction to Law. Keep your eyes open

You, like millions of others, are using the term "pedophilia" incorrectly. The word "pedophilia" refers to the intense attraction and desire to have sex with prepubescent children, it does not refer to the actual ACT of raape or molestation. The ACT itself is called "sexxual abuse" or more specifically "child sexxual abuse." Child sexxual abuse is the CRIME. In law, you will never find the word "pedophilia" anywhere. You will find "sexual abuse of a minor" "raape of a minor" etc. People don't go to jail for having that perverse attraction in their mind, it's only their actions that can send them there.

EnlightenedSoul: So when you said...



...I sighed in exasperation! It is not being made an "illness as against a crime". It's merely being acknowledged as the "disorder" it is through research

ConfusedSoul: If you cannot as yet comprehend the difference between incèst and homosexuality then what more is there to say?

IdioticOne: If it's not clear to you why fvcking your sister " in the pusssy" is wrong as opposed to two gay men having sex, then I can't really help you, can I?

freshdude2: I clearly said would lead? You are a bloody liar and dishonest goon. For the sake of those too tired to seek out said quote, I said
Please, Enlightenedsoul, show the world where freshdude "clearly said" homosexxuality would lead to iincest

.. in your children's generation it will be accorded the same respect as
homosexualiity. It's all a matter of time, all it takes is a group of courageous perverts..

But heterosexxuality and homosexxuality are?! You need good food, your mental juices are almost dried up. Take a fvcking seat.

carefreewannabe: EnlightenedSoul

I knew it would end up like this. How do you expect people without education to understand educated people?

Same people who say life in the Oman is better than in the UK, who compare China's one child policy, a country where MANY female children are aborted and newly born female children killed, to the family policies in the USA.

What a LOGICAL and UNEMOTIONAL comparison. VERY INTELLIGENT.

Product of ...

EnlightenedSoul:

He clearly stated that the [supposed] acceptance of homosexuality in this generation would lead to incèst being highly esteemed in upcoming generations, making homosexuality the precursor for incèst in confines of his statement. As pointed out, it's a fallacy plain and simple. In that trend, what was homosexuality's precursor on it's road to acceptability?

Consensual or not, homosexuality and incèst are not the same.

There is no cure, so the focus is on protecting children.

Pedophilia, the sexual attraction to children who have not yet reached puberty, remains a vexing challenge for clinicians and public officials. Classified as a paraphilia, an abnormal sexual behavior, researchers have found no effective treatment. Like other sexual orientations, pedophilia is unlikely to change. The goal of treatment, therefore, is to prevent someone from acting on pedophile urges — either by decreasing sexual arousal around children or increasing the ability to manage that arousal. But neither is as effective for reducing harm as preventing access to children, or providing close supervision.

The understanding of pedophilia has evolved over time, so each successive edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) has defined this disorder in a slightly different way. The current edition, DSM-IV, categorizes pedophilia as a disorder only if the sexual fantasies or urges involve prepubescent children (defined as 13 or younger), if they last at least six months, if the individual has acted on them, or if they cause marked distress (including legal problems). The DSM-IV also specifies that a person be at least 16 years old and at least five years older than the prepubescent child.

The draft version of DSM-V, now undergoing review, proposes several changes to the diagnosis of pedophilia. One is to expand the definition of this disorder to include hebephilia, an attraction to children who are going through puberty. The hybrid category, pedohebephilia, would consist of the pedophilic type (attracted to prepubescent children, generally younger than 11), the hebephilic type (attracted to pubescent children, usually ages 11 through 14), and the pedohebephilic type (attracted to both). In another significant change, the draft suggests that the use of pornography depicting prepubescent or pubescent children for six months or longer should be considered a symptom of pedohebephilia.

Key points

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges.

No intervention is likely to work on its own; outcomes may be better when the patient is motivated and treatment combines psychotherapy and medication.

Parents should be aware that in most sexual abuse cases involving children, the perpetrator is someone the child knows.

freshdude2: I concede my wrong use of pedophilia, I should have used statutory raape, abi? Accepted, and thanks for the correction.


Perhaps, you could enlighten me on if people can be sent to prison for disorders


Well, I could say that you are word-twisting clown, who's claiming I said homosexualiity and iincest are the same. Again, I find both perverse, but you accept one and not the other and I simply would like to know why. What is so bad about iincest that it cannot be accorded the same respect as homosexauliity?! That's my angle. Geddit now or nah?

Perhaps, you could enlighten me by telling me why it's cool for your father to fvck your generator repairer but not fvck you right in the puscy

EnlightenedSoul:




Please, what does the emboldened mean? Backtracking like coogar

freshdude2: .. Perhaps[/b]in your children's generation it
will be accorded the same
respect as
homosexualiity. It's all a matter
of time, all it takes is a group of
courageous perverts..

SillySoul: If you can't argue your point reasonably, then [b]you need to take a fvcking seat. You've resulted to insults. How's that working out for you? Make your point or get on...weirdo

freshdude2: Perhaps, you could enlighten me on if people can be sent to prison for disorders

Well, I could say that you are word-twisting clown, who's claiming I said homosexualiity and iincest are the same. Again, I find both perverse, but you accept one and not the other and I simply would like to know why. What is so bad about iincest that it cannot be accorded the same respect as homosexauliity?! That's my angle. Geddit now or nah? Perhaps, you could enlighten me by telling me why it's cool for your father to fvck your generator repairer but not fvck you right in the puscy

freshdude2: you are an olodo. Here's the full quote slowpoke. Apparently, you don't know what the word "perhaps" mean or its use in a statement. smh

I only insulted you after you did me, just because I gave it harder doesn't make me any worse than you. When you start arguing with sense and logic, keeping it clean, I might tow that path. For now, idiiot, insulting you is mere retaliation.

pickabeau1:


Just a question

If a man sleeps with his son...which is it

Homosexual incêst

EnlightenedSoul:

Both.

No, I haven't seen skllz.

EnlightenedSoul:

English is not your strong suit, eh? The "perhaps" in that sentence was negated by the following the" It's a matter of time"



You're touchy. That's ok.

coogar:

she's a semi-illiterate.
the irony is her username that says enlightened soul. her soul has no single ray of light in it. see how she's completely changed position when she saw factual evidence of teenage pregnancy all over the world.

this was her initial reaction.....


in other words, america's 300 million population is the reason they have higher percentages in drug use, teenage mothers, etc. it's baffling that china & india with humongous population don't have these higher percentages.

don't waste your time on this chic, freshdude2. she wouldn't be able to form the letter "O" with the base of a coke bottle.

pickabeau1:

that means he is guilty of incest but can be freed under homosexuality..

she did not respond to an email i sent her long ago..

hope shes good

EnlightenedSoul:

Why do I see you arguing for the criminal pedophhile?

Come on now, what do you think? He's well aware of his actions, and is therefore held accountable for raaping, and/or molesting a child. The child has rights. The research allows us to understand that some people are predisposed, and that just opens the door for prevention counseling etc.

ConfusedSoul: So your angle is a directed question? This is you presenting a viable argument for YOUR point of view, is it??!

Pervert, I swear.

freshdude2: Coogar tried to warn ne about this merry-go-rounding. Didn't "it's a matter of time" come after a full stop? Are you really this daft or are you trolling.

I wouldn't say touchy, only fair.

pickabeau1:

that means he is guilty of incest but can be freed under homosexuality..

she did not respond to an email i sent her long ago..

hope shes good

EnlightenedSoul:

Fail.
Refer to this sentence: Perhaps Sally will come to respect John as much as she does Dave. It's only a matter of time.

This sentence implied that she might, and then confirmed that would in a matter of time . Furthermore, your statement was triple cemented by the sentence following "It's a matter of time".

See me forming English lessons on NL

If you say so

EnlightenedSoul:

Please, you're killing me. Freed under homosexuality?? SMH

Hope she's good too. I know she disabled though.

freshdude2: He might be well aware but why discriminate against his sexuual preference if it's consensual? Who are we to begrudge anyone of their "orientation", note the punctuation, dummy.

ok, this is no longer a sensible debate.

I might be a pervert but so are you who gets straffed by your pops.

Quick question, based on your customised morality metrics, which perversion is worse/better: sleeping with under-16s or opening up for one's own father?! No, really, I'm serious about this one

freshdude2: [s]It's only a matter of time for iincest to be socially accepted doesn't mean it will happen in, hypothetically, your children's generation. Return your English Language degree. [/s]

pickabeau1:

You are missing the point...

What he has been saying is that what seems weird today with time becomes normalised

Homosex was a taboo just 40-50 years back so using harm to classify the benigness of an act is not totally the best approach

.

EnlightenedSoul:

- Asking questions of a "dummy".
- Projecting, of all things, incèst jokes starring my father after having demonstrated that you favor incèst.

You're perverted mind continues to defy logic.

Didn't I predict that you'd argue for the Pedophille?

Good day to you!

EnlightenedSoul:

Just. Stop.

pickabeau1:

You are missing the point...

What he has been saying is that what seems weird today with time becomes normalised

Homosex was a taboo just 40-50 years back so using harm to classify the benigness of an act is not totally the best approach

.

EnlightenedSoul:
The population argument was in reference to the other WESTERN nations!

China cannot be compared to the US despite their similar population for reasons OBVIOUS to the intelligent mind.

EnlightenedSoul:

Please, that homosexuality became "acceptable" isn't an proper basis to form the idea that incèst will, or even might! I find it shocking that the comparison was even drawn TBH.


I'm pretty sure my argument wasn't merely centered on harm.

That some people on here are claiming it's better/acceptable for a pedo to molest a child or a girl to screw her father, over two gays having a relationship is appalling.

dailymail: 'It's OK for homosexuals to
do what they want at
home, how is this
different?' Lawyer defends
Columbia professor
charged with incest


The lawyer representing a professor
charged with incest with his 24-year-old
daughter has questioned why the alleged
affair has been made public.
David Epstein was charged last week with
one count of incest for what was allegedly
a consensual three-year sexual relationship
with his daughter.
The political science professor at Columbia
University, 46, allegedly slept with her
between 2006 and 2009.
Epstein, who specialises in American politics
and voting rights, is also said to have
exchanged twisted text messages with
the woman during their relationship.
Matthew Galluzzo, defending Epstein, has
said that even though his daughter had
emerged as a victim in the case, she could
'best be described as an accomplice'.
He told ABCNews.com: 'Academically, we
are obviously all morally opposed to incest
and rightfully so.
'At the same time, there is an argument to
be made in the Swiss case to let go what
goes on privately in bedrooms.
'It's ok for homosexuals to do whatever
they want in their own home. How is this
so different?
'We have to figure out why some
behaviour is tolerated and some is not.'
In an interview with the Huffington Post, he
added: 'What goes on between consenting
adults in private should not be legislated.
That is not the proper domain of our law.
'If we assume for a moment that both
parties [involved in incest] are consenting,
then why are we prosecuting this?'
Epstein, who has taught at Harvard and
Stanford, is currently on administrative
leave from Columbia.
He was married to another lecturer at the
Ivy League institution but the pair recently
divorced.
In an earlier statement Mr Galluzzo called
the charges against the professor
'unwarranted and unfair'.
'Professor Epstein is well-respected by his
peers and students and he asks that his
friends in the Columbia community support
him and give him the benefit of the doubt
during this trying time,' he added.
Switzerland legislators have proposed
decriminalising consensual sexual
relationships between first-degree relatives,
including siblings and parents and their adult
children.
Consensual incest is also legal in China,
France, Israel, the Ivory Coast, the
Netherlands, Russia, Spain and Turkey,
according to a 2007 report from the Max
Planck Institute in Germany.

EnlightenedSoul:

Please, that homosexuality became "acceptable" isn't an proper basis to form the idea that incèst will, or even might! I find it shocking that the comparison was even drawn TBH.

I'm pretty sure my argument wasn't merely centered on harm.

That some people on here are claiming it's better/acceptable for a pedo to molest a child or a girl to screw her father, over two gays having a relationship is appalling.