joezakdeen: hahahahaa.....i wil continue to defend the truth always until hypocrites hv thought block. If they insult my pastor, its out of knowledge because they dont even knw him. Tnx big boss. God bless u. No doubt. God is gud.

What you are defending is "out of context knowledge."

Gombs that is old here, can you really defend malachi 3? Then brace yourself....

If the true context of malachi 3 is not in the tract, then we would have wasted a little effort.

Boomark:

What you are defending is "out of context knowledge."

Gombs that is old here, can you really defend malachi 3? Then brace yourself....

If the true context of malachi 3 is not in the tract, then we would have wasted a little effort.

Not interested bro!

https://www.nairaland.com/1454770/testimonies-why-stopped-tithing-here/2

Ruminate on the above thread, av answered the above bold.. start from page two and stop at three...or read it all, but I aint gonna wallow in the above bold.

frosbel:

The church does not go to church.

I fellowship with a few people from time to time.

I use my money to meet the real needs of people around me, this is the whole essence of giving.

I do not give money to crooks and charlatans to further their enterprise or franchise businesses.

...and this, my friends, is how you know someone who truly serves God.

Gombs:

Not interested bro!

https://www.nairaland.com/1454770/testimonies-why-stopped-tithing-here/2

Ruminate on the above thread, av answered the above bold.. start from page two and stop at three...or read it all, but I aint gonna wallow in the above bold.

Hmm, what i saw there is hypocrisy. You presented Mal 3, christembasasy gladly ask you to keep Mal 4:4 but you refused and ran for Melchizedek tithe abandoning malachi 3 which was for the Jews under the law and not for or from melchizedek(and his followers).

No wonder you ran on arrival. The fear of bracing yourself for questions. Many things work(including false practices) but the truth sets one free. It would have been, either you chose the truth in Christ or the thing(tithe) that works for you.

I will leave you in peace of mind for now.

joezakdeen: malachi 3:10...says....Bring the whole tithe into the
storehouse, that there may be
food in my house. Test me in
this," says the LORD Almighty,
"and see if I will not throw
open the floodgates of heaven
and pour out so much
blessing that there will not be
room enough to store it.

Nd wen tithes are paid xpecialy to b given to those who preach nd teach the word of God.
Nehemiah 12:44 says....On that day men were
appointed to be in charge of
the storerooms for the
offerings, the first part of the
harvest, and the tithes. They
were responsible to collect
from the fields outside the
towns the portions required
by the Law for the priests and
Levites. For all the people of
Judah took joy in the priests
and Levites and their work.
The tithes given ar not misused ok because the man of God is worthy to b taken care of as 1timothy 3:16-17 says...The elders who direct the
affairs of the church well are
worthy of double honor,
especially those whose work
is preaching and teaching.
Unles odawise ur church is fake or u dont go to church, u cant rebel the payment of tithe in d bible. They must also benifit because they realy suffer during the night nd pray fr the church. 1corinthians 9:13-14 reads....Don't you realize that those
who work in the temple get
their meals from the offerings
brought to the temple? And
those who serve at the altar
get a share of the sacrificial
offerings.
Pls som men of God ar gud enough to share their payment wid the poor nd needy. Wat evidence again do u need to pay ur tithe as a christian nd b blessed. See.. Malachi 3:8-9. Will a man rob God? Yet you
rob me. "But you ask, 'How do
we rob you?' "In tithes and
offerings. 9 You are under a
curse--the whole nation of you--
because you are robbing me. Pls read the bible nd go to church nd stop folowing the tots of som hypocrites. Tnx bro

its either u r one of d thieves/hirelings or u r very very very very very ignorant. Its a pity.

tithes were paid for the levites,widows,the poor and the needy in the old testamen, fair enough under the law. ''But did Christ who was worthy and truely knw what was realy right by then condemn the tithe? Its a question for u. When Christ rebuked the pharasees, he said in matthew 23:23 that..."Woe to you, teachers of the
law and Pharisees, you
hypocrites! You give a tenth of
your spices--mint, dill and
cumin. But you have neglected
the more important matters of
the law--justice, mercy and
faithfulness. You should have
practiced the latter,'' without
neglecting the former''

pls are christians of today deaf enough to hear from Jesus confirming the tithe that we shouldnt neglect it?

Our fore fathers paid tithe and its suposed to be throughout the generation of Abraham to now and thats why Christ never condemned it...see....numbers 18:20-28,God said..20 And the LORD said to
Aaron, “You shall have no
inheritance in their land,
neither shall you have any
portion among them. yI am
your portion and your
inheritance among the people
of Israel.
21 z“To the Levites I have
given every tithe in Israel for
an inheritance, in return for
their service that they do, their
service in the tent of meeting,
22 aso that the people of
Israel do not come near the
tent of meeting, blest they
bear sin and die. 23 But cthe
Levites shall do the service of
the tent of meeting, dand they
shall bear their iniquity. It shall
be a perpetual statute
throughout your generations,
and among the people of
Israel they shall have no
inheritance. 24 For the tithe of
the people of Israel, which
ethey present as a
contribution to the LORD, I
have given to the Levites for
an inheritance. Therefore I
have said of them that they
shall have no inheritance
famong the people of Israel.”
25 And the LORD spoke to
Moses, saying, 26 “Moreover,
you shall speak and say to the
Levites, ‘When you take from
the people of Israel the tithe
that I have given you from
them for your inheritance,
then you shall present a
contribution from it to the
LORD, ga tithe of the tithe.
27 hAnd your contribution
shall be counted to you as
though it were the grain of
the threshing floor, and as the
fullness of the winepress.
28 So you shall also present a
contribution to the LORD from
all your tithes, which you
receive from the people of
Israel. And from it you shall
give the LORD’s contribution
to Aaron the priest. Throughout your generation.
In the days of malachi, they paid tithe under the law, to those who preached. Didnt paul know this? So paul said in 1corinthians 9:8-11 that....8 Do I say this merely from a
human point of view? Doesn't
the Law say the same thing? 9
For it is written in the Law of
Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox
while it is treading out the
grain." Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? 10 Surely he says
this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this
was written for us, because
when the plowman plows and
the thresher threshes, they
ought to do so in the hope of
sharing in the harvest. 11 If we
have sown spiritual seed
among you, is it too much if we
reap a material harvest from
you?
They law givs preachers right to tithe up til dis day so Christ didnt condemn it. Because of this again timothy said in 1timothy 5:17-18...17 The elders who direct the
affairs of the church well are
worthy of double honor,
especially those whose work is
preaching and teaching. 18 For
the Scripture says, "Do not
muzzle the ox while it is
treading out the grain," and
"The worker deserves his
wages."
so based on the right preachers hav to be suported acording to the law, paul told the corinthians dat...1 Now about the collection for
God's people: Do what I told the
Galatian churches to do. 2 On
the first day of every week, each
one of you should set aside a
sum of money in keeping with
his income, saving it up, so that
when I come no collections will
have to be made.1corinthians 6:1-2. This is an old thing done for men of God who preach well.because paul said....'13 Don't you know that those
who work in the temple get
their food from the temple, and
those who serve at the altar
share in what is offered on the
altar? 14 In the same way, the
Lord has commanded that
those who preach the gospel
should receive their living from
the gospel.
The book of hebrew confirm it in hebrew 7:1-9...1 This Melchizedek was king of
Salem and priest of God Most
High. He met Abraham returning
from the defeat of the kings
and blessed him, 2 and
Abraham gave him a tenth of
everything. First, his name
means "king of righteousness";
then also, "king of Salem"
means "king of peace." 3
Without father or mother,
without genealogy, without
beginning of days or end of life,
like the Son of God he remains a
priest forever. 4 Just think how
great he was: Even the patriarch
Abraham gave him a tenth of
the plunder! 5 Now the law
requires the descendants of
Levi who become priests to
collect a tenth from the people--
that is, their brothers--even
though their brothers are
descended from Abraham. 6
This man, however, did not
trace his descent from Levi, yet
he collected a tenth from
Abraham and blessed him who
had the promises. 7 And
without doubt the lesser person
is blessed by the greater. 8 In
the one case, the tenth is
collected by men who die; but
in the other case, by him who is
declared to be living. 9 One
might even say that Levi, who
collects the tenth, paid the tenth
through Abraham,
the bible which is the word of God is realy held through generation and christians hav to hold unto it.romans 1:16 says...16 I am not ashamed of the
gospel, because it is the power
of God for the salvation of
everyone who believes: first for
the Jew, then for the Gentile.

.All
Scripture is breathed out by
God and profitable for
teaching, for reproof, for
correction, and for training in
righteousness, that the man
of
God may be complete,
equipped for every good
work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17.
If Jesus didnt condemn tithe payin, who are u to condemn it? God loves a cheerful giver and we believers know that our wealth goes where our heart is. Pls open your eyes and never be deceived by those who dont go to church for they dont know what happens there. Men of God go for evngelism, what shud they eat? Those who print leaflets containing word of God, what shud be used to pay the printing. Hiring of buses and machines for God,s work. Organising visits to the orphanage and giving to the widows out of the tithe payed. We christians also know that, even a cup of water to the man of God demands a lot of blessings from God because we understand God takes care of them through us acording to what the old people did. Pls if u dont pay ur tithe, will any pastor arrest u? Why dont u leave the word of God as it is? Jux because u dont want to pay out of greediness because u are not realising its God who gave u, u are now trying to twist the word of God in your favour. God forgiv u all. We understand what our money is being used for and should this be ur headache if the devil has blinded u? Learn for u do not know yet! Pray and God wil open your eyes for u have not seen yet. Tnx

^^^

Is the worry how to take care of pastors and move God's word forward?

Paul did his without collecting tithe... Timothy did his without a mention of it too, Titus did the same.

Can we then say God forgot the need for pamphlets and other church activities that require money?

@Frosbel
How do you propose we go on with the printing and distribution of the tracts? In my opinion the piece drummaboy wrote is an excellent and balanced one and I think we should proceed with it.

PastorKun: @Frosbel
How do you propose we go on with the printing and distribution of the tracts? In my opinion the piece drummaboy wrote is an excellent and balanced one and I think we should proceed with it.

I do not suport fake pastors in nigeria buh i suport the bible for promptin us to continue payin our tithe.
U should that since Christ never condemned it, u are not wiser than Him and i assure u that u cant.
Anti-tithe is anti-Christ
anti-tithe is anti- God
and u shall never prosper.
You are blinded out of hypocricy because u think u even know more than the bible so you twist it to suit your conditions and tradition which is your own way of disobeying God's comandment. This is why Jesus said in matthew 15:3-9 dat ''...3 Jesus replied, "And why do
you break the command of God
for the sake of your tradition? 4
For God said, 'Honor your father
and mother' and 'Anyone who
curses his father or mother
must be put to death.' 5 But
you say that if a man says to his
father or mother, 'Whatever
help you might otherwise have
received from me is a gift
devoted to God,' 6 he is not to
'honor his father ' with it. Thus
you nullify the word of God for
the sake of your tradition. 7
You hypocrites! Isaiah was right
when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me
with their lips, but their hearts
are far from me. 9 They
worship me in vain; their
teachings are but rules taught
by men.'"
this is not of the bible as u rob God. God is the father of all justice and i leave u guys for Him. If u want to be free from paying tithe, you are freeing yourself for the devil indeed. God is truely merciful. Anti-tithe? Are u not ashamed as a christian?

PastorKun: @Frosbel
How do you propose we go on with the printing and distribution of the tracts? In my opinion the piece drummaboy wrote is an excellent and balanced one and I think we should proceed with it.

This is still in my list of things to do and sooner not later. However I wanted something more concise and not too long in such a way that it hammers the point home in a few sentences. As you know people these days are very busy and always on the move, a longer tract might put them off.

Not sure what you think but I will send a much owed mail to DrummaBoy with the expectations and perhaps he can try and summarise this for a final review.

Because of the busy bodies in here I suggest we do this via email.

Your feedback will also be appreciated.

Thanks.

joezakdeen: I do not suport fake pastors in nigeria buh i suport the bible for promptin us to continue payin our tithe.
U should that since Christ never condemned it, u are not wiser than Him and i assure u that u cant.
Anti-tithe is anti-Christ
anti-tithe is anti- God
and u shall never prosper.
You are blinded out of hypocricy because u think u even know more than the bible so you twist it to suit your conditions and tradition which is your own way of disobeying God's comandment. This is why Jesus said in matthew 15:3-9 dat ''...3 Jesus replied, "And why do
you break the command of God
for the sake of your tradition? 4
For God said, 'Honor your father
and mother' and 'Anyone who
curses his father or mother
must be put to death.' 5 But
you say that if a man says to his
father or mother, 'Whatever
help you might otherwise have
received from me is a gift
devoted to God,' 6 he is not to
'honor his father ' with it. Thus
you nullify the word of God for
the sake of your tradition. 7
You hypocrites! Isaiah was right
when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me
with their lips, but their hearts
are far from me. 9 They
worship me in vain; their
teachings are but rules taught
by men.'"
this is not of the bible as u rob God. God is the father of all justice and i leave u guys for Him. If u want to be free from paying tithe, you are freeing yourself for the devil indeed. God is truely merciful. Anti-tithe? Are u not ashamed as a christian?

When you are ready to brace yourself you let us know?

joezakdeen: I do not suport fake pastors in nigeria buh i suport the bible for promptin us to continue payin our tithe.
U should that since Christ never condemned it, u are not wiser than Him and i assure u that u cant.
Anti-tithe is anti-Christ
anti-tithe is anti- God
and u shall never prosper.
You are blinded out of hypocricy because u think u even know more than the bible so you twist it to suit your conditions and tradition which is your own way of disobeying God's comandment. This is why Jesus said in matthew 15:3-9 dat ''...3 Jesus replied, "And why do
you break the command of God
for the sake of your tradition? 4
For God said, 'Honor your father
and mother' and 'Anyone who
curses his father or mother
must be put to death.' 5 But
you say that if a man says to his
father or mother, 'Whatever
help you might otherwise have
received from me is a gift
devoted to God,' 6 he is not to
'honor his father ' with it. Thus
you nullify the word of God for
the sake of your tradition. 7
You hypocrites! Isaiah was right
when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me
with their lips, but their hearts
are far from me. 9 They
worship me in vain; their
teachings are but rules taught
by men.'"
this is not of the bible as u rob God. God is the father of all justice and i leave u guys for Him. If u want to be free from paying tithe, you are freeing yourself for the devil indeed. God is truely merciful. Anti-tithe? Are u not ashamed as a christian?

You are obviously a certified m0ron and a delusional lunatic, I won't bother to engage you in any discussion as it is obvious you are trying to protect your source of filthy lucre.

Boomark:

When you are ready to brace yourself you let us know?

what's the meaning of that? Is that supose to be a question or a statement?

Boomark:

When you are ready to brace yourself you let us know?

what's the meaning of that? Is that supose to be a question or a statement?

Boomark:

When you are ready to brace yourself you let us know?

never include me in lies to deceive poeple, probably the anger of the almighty might come upon me if i folow u. Buh i wil be very glad if u include me to bring the truth into light. U can insult me anyhow u like buh i know the truth hurts. Sorry to say, u guys are lacking divine knowledge and wisdom buh its rather unfortunate u think u have since u have thrown ur bibles away and u also have fools to follow u. If the blindman leads a blind, wont they all fall into pit? God have mercy

joezakdeen: what's the meaning of that? Is that supose to be a question or a statement?

A statement. Ignore the question mark and brace yourself. Would you accept the truth or have you sworn never to change your mind?

Those who have sworn not to change their mind on paying tithe will not be at peace when the truth is been revealed. They will certainly run on arrival.

In Mat 23:23, Christ never condemned tithe. He also remembered malachi 4:4 and kept the law(animal sacrifice inclusive). He never condemned it. So do you keep all that he kept, as his follower or you do you keep some?

Boomark:

A statement. Ignore the question mark and brace yourself. Would you accept the truth or have you sworn never to change your mind?

Those who have sworn not to change their mind on paying tithe will not be at peace when the truth is been revealed. They will certainly run on arrival.

In Mat 23:23, Christ never condemned tithe. He also remembered malachi 4:4 and kept the law(animal sacrifice inclusive). He never condemned it. So do you keep all that he kept, as his follower or you do you keep some?

Boomark:

A statement. Ignore the question mark and brace yourself. Would you accept the truth or have you sworn never to change your mind?

Those who have sworn not to change their mind on paying tithe will not be at peace when the truth is been revealed. They will certainly run on arrival.

In Mat 23:23, Christ never condemned tithe. He also remembered malachi 4:4 and kept the law(animal sacrifice inclusive). He never condemned it. So do you keep all that he kept, as his follower or you do you keep some?

Is this what u are going to base and print? Hahahaa..certainly its not based on the bible so the wiseman wil consider it as graphic and laugh, unless they are blind, ignorant or hypocrites like u. Its u that need change of mind. What's ur base proof, if Jesus didnt condemn it and also said christians shouldnt neglect it, but we should combine it with love and mercy for others. Are u now God? Ask yourselves, is what u are printing actually from the bible? Its what i'm telling u from myself or actually from the bible. I know your conscience wil come to know the trurh if u are not cursed with hardened heart. God loves u all.

joezakdeen: never include me in lies to deceive poeple, probably the anger of the almighty might come upon me if i folow u. Buh i wil be very glad if u include me to bring the truth into light. U can insult me anyhow u like buh i know the truth hurts. Sorry to say, u guys are lacking divine knowledge and wisdom buh its rather unfortunate u think u have since u have thrown ur bibles away and u also have fools to follow u. If the blindman leads a blind, wont they all fall into pit? God have mercy

The problem is, are you be willing to accept the truth? The attitude you guys are putting up here when the truth is choking you is, "I cannot believe you unless it comes from my pastor." My brothers have done well.

How did you know we have thrown away our bible, did you receive divine knowledge on that too?

joezakdeen: Is this what u are going to base and print? Hahahaa..certainly its not based on the bible so the wiseman wil consider it as graphic and laugh, unless they are blind, ignorant or hypocrites like u. Its u that need change of mind. What's ur base proof, if Jesus didnt condemn it and also said christians shouldnt neglect it, but we should combine it with love and mercy for others. Are u now God? Ask yourselves, is what u are printing actually from the bible? Its what i'm telling u from myself or actually from the bible. I know your conscience wil come to know the trurh if u are not cursed with hardened heart. God loves u all.

The hardened heart of your made you to dodge my question. I wonder how what am going to print fits as the answer to my question? Is this how you defend your divine knowledge on tithe? I have not even started and you are wasting my time and MB with 'dodgenen' response.

Smh!

Christ kept everything in the law, he urged the pharisees to do the same. Do keep the law as the Lord did and as malachi 4:4 commanded? Don't be a hypocrite.

If you don't, then you have no right to use malachi 3 and Mat 23:23 to preach or convince anyone. You must also do what the Lord said in Mat 19:21, "...sell all you have and give to the poor,..." to follow him. If not you have not started.

PastorKun:

You are obviously a certified m0ron and a delusional lunatic, I won't bother to engage you in any discussion as it is obvious you are trying to protect your source of filthy lucre.

You've got such a foul mouth. You have more issues than tithe wrong with you. Hope you're ready for the coming of the Lord Jesus? Your friends ought to tell you even if it is privately, they're not speaking up.

frosbel:

This is still in my list of things to do and sooner not later. However I wanted something more concise and not too long in such a way that it hammers the point home in a few sentences. As you know people these days are very busy and always on the move, a longer tract might put them off.

Not sure what you think but I will send a much owed mail to DrummaBoy with the expectations and perhaps he can try and summarise this for a final review.

[size=16pt]Because of the busy bodies in here I suggest we do this via email.[/size]

Your feedback will also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Luk 8:16 No man (except anti tiithers) when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.

Obviously, u guys have something to hide...and I smell its stench of acrid lies. Hehehehehehe, make sure u put up a picture of the tract here, else it didn't happen. It's a shame that even though folks 'oppose the truth' u have... u then have to hide it....my Jesus never did so sha.

?..*continues chewing my chewing stick

Image123:

You've got such a foul mouth. You have more issues than tithe wrong with you. Hope you're ready for the coming of the Lord Jesus? Your friends ought to tell you even if it is privately, they're not speaking up.

The bloody hypocrite in you did not see were he was insulting and cursing me It is only when I respond to your fellow rogue that you can raise issues. Ole barawo buruku.

PastorKun:

The bloody hypocrite in you did not see were he was insulting and cursing me It is only when I respond to your fellow rogue that you can raise issues. Ole barawo buruku.

Oh dear Lord Jesus!

PastorKun:

The bloody hypocrite in you did not see were he was insulting and cursing me It is only when I respond to your fellow rogue that you can raise issues. Ole barawo buruku.

i didn't see it, i would have corrected him. Are you a christian?

Lol, and in another thread frosbel does not believe in a jewish God, yet he quotes Isaiah and a jewish peter.....see contradictions...i hope the tract will be free from the Jewish torah and Jewish christians like Paul, peter and others..

Bidam: Lol, and in another thread frosbel does not believe in a jewish God, yet he quotes Isaiah and a jewish peter.....see contradictions...i hope the tract will be free from the Jewish torah and Jewish christians like Paul, peter and others..

That God chose to speak through a Jew does not mean he is a Jewish God !

frosbel:

That God chose to speak through a Jew does not mean he is a Jewish God !

So why believe them if we are to use your logic? Where you there when He spoke through them?

Bidam: So why believe them if we are to use your logic? Where you there when He spoke through them?

logic , common sense and the Spirit witness.

I am sure that you know when the devil is speaking, right ?

frosbel:

logic , common sense and the Spirit witness.

I am sure that you know when the devil is speaking, right ?

Answer my question and stop hiding under this self deceit of yours...Jesus was called King of the Jews during His crufixion....Why all these antijewish campaigns all over nairaland? I would have no choice than to label you an antisemite.

^^

anti-semite ? So even you Bidam a black man has fallen for this anti-semite trash

It seems that one can only be anti-semetic when it comes to the Jews because after all they are Gods chosen people. I not only shake my head, I pity you !

frosbel: ^^

anti-smite ? So even you Bidam a black man has fallen for this anti-semite trash

It seems that one can only be anti-semetic when it comes to the Jews because after all they are Gods chosen people. I not only shake my head, I pity you !

I am also chosen by God so also everyone who comes to Christ but when you start a campaign by calling names and condemning folks like the jews which i believe the Holy Spirit never called you to do..it becomes antisemitism.

Bidam: I am also chosen by God so also everyone who comes to Christ but when you start a campaign by calling names and condemning folks like the jews which i believe the Holy Spirit never called you to do..it becomes antisemitism.

when did I condemn the Jews, do you understand English at all ? I am against Israel massacaring civilians in Gaza , how is that condemning Jews ? Mate, you need to be de-brainwashed from all that nonsense Zionist propaganda you have been fed in your church.