For all those men and women that believe that a woman must submit to her husband and allow him to lead her, could you please answer the following questions:

For The Men:

1. Why do you believe submission is the recipe for long-term recipe success?
2. What is it you believe to be the key benefits of submitting for the female?
3. What does submitting to her husband bring to the woman and her life?
4. Why do some men label a woman a 'Single, Bitter Man-Hating Lesbian' when she shows she has a mind of her own, and will not hesitate to criticize negative, male attitudes and behaviors toward women, and refuse to submit to male authority?
5. Why do some men view a non-submissive woman as an attack on their manhood and pride?
6. Why do some men abuse and cheat on women who are totally and biblically submissive to them?
7. How would you feel if a woman leaves you, taking the kid/s with her, because she is fed up with your heavy-handed, domineering, controlling, dictorial, abusive, power-drunk ways - all in the name of "Woman, you must submit, because the Bible said so!"?
8. Why do some single men think women should categorically submit to men?
9. Why do some men physically threaten, physically abuse, threaten to take the children away and/or leave women who don't submit to them?
10. Why do some men choose to ignore the whole concept of submission, preferring instead to work together with their women to do whatever is necessary to benefit the household as a whole, rather than adopting a "What I say goes!" mentality, and in return reap the benefits of a happy home and happy children?

For The Women:

1. Why would a woman, in 2014, do anything in her life that was mandated and written by control freak men thousands of years ago, when women couldn't work, read, write, travel alone, own property, inherit property or money, vote, or even decide what to cook for dinner, unless their husband was involved?
2. Why would a strong, educated, loving woman of strength and character allow a man to dictate how she dresses, forbid her to wear makeup, ban her from socializing with friends, refuse her to work outside the home, further her education, take the money she works hard for, and demand she 'service' him whenever he pleases?
3. If you had a submissive relationship in the past but no longer find value in it - please explain what happened, and how have your views on submission have changed?
4. If you had a past submissive relationship and hated it, why are you now so much happier with a man who doesn't subscribe to the concept of submission?
5. Why do some women believe wifely submission means 'dumbing themselves down' to assuage men's fragile egos?
6. Why haven't smart, intelligent women discovered that men who demand women to subjugate themselves to them unconditionally tend to be those that lack confidence, are unsure of their se*ual prowess or physical attractiveness, or that feel they are lacking in some way and can't compete in the dating arena?
7. Why is it that smart, intelligent women haven't realized that a confident, self-assured man does not need or want a woman to submit or subjugate herself to him, because he is openly proud of her, acknowledges her skills and strengths, as she acknowledges his own skills and strengths, and embraces her as his equal partner?
8. Why is it that some women do not realize that a penis gives men no special powers, no increased abilities, no more knowledge or experience, doesn't make them smarter, better, faster or more superior, and does not entitle them to special privileges or rights, just because they're men, and, therefore, shouldn't be worshipped as demi-gods?
9. Why is it that some women don't realize that wifely submission is like a spreading cancer that is capable of destroying a woman's self-confidence and independent mind?
10. As a woman, are you willing to surrender your power and self to the control of men unconditionally, risking damage and possible destruction to the essence of your spirit, the very thing that makes you the strong, confident woman that you are?

Reference: "The New Christian Marriage" by Reverend Ayodele Johnson, Phd.

From ur post, u said u are reverend reads ur bible very well. Woman must be submissive to her husband.

Questions.. This reminds me of ASA's music titled questions.

Forgive me, but what is with the wave of ridiculous threads always trying to pitch men against women in the battle of sexes especially in marriages in the FAMILY SECTION, it's absurd and can be misinterpreted by tons.

Marriage should never be generalized, it's not a case of what is good for the geese is also good for the gander here, every marriage is unique based on the foundation, motive, expectations and future of the marriage or relationships.

Please let's reduce this insane culture of pitching men against women all day especially with ludicrously titled topics aimed at disrupting and potentially severing marital ties or committed relationships, we should rather focus our resources and energy on discovering new ways family and marriage can be uplifted and preserved..

And how will this reduce the rate of divorce or bring back our girls?

D answer u seek is already spelt out in d bible. Woman should be submissive 2 their husband, while d men must respect their wife.

Darteyyyy: And how will this reduce the rate of divorce or bring back our girls?

those girls have been radicalized into suicide bombers. We have more than 200 of dem waiting 2 detonate.

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I don't even understand the question

When we say feminism is anti-marriage and anti-family, you femi-nazis would cry foul. Here:

1) An obvious strawman. When did men say submission is THE recipe for success? Hard work is the recipe for success, and at times such hard work is rubbished by arrogant insubordination. If you or your pseudo-Reverend knew the least about social psychology, you'd have realised that dominance and submission is a recurring theme in all human and animal relationships even between platonic friends.

2) I like the way the first two questions are asked without adding marriage to the picture, so you femnists can shift goal posts when you like. I would answer the way it was asked. The key advantage of female submission is the same as the key advantage of male submission to higher (managerial or political) authority. It helps stem unnecessary conflict and it's effect.

3) There's no real 50-50 partnership anywhere in the world that doesn't involve signing legal documents to that effect. Why? To stem future conflict. Why? The average human likes to be dominant over 'equals'. How does this relate to marriage? The man and the woman are not equals in every sense of the word.

Women are generally physically weaker than men. The average woman is more emotional than logical, unlike the average man. Many women have fluctuating emotions because of hormonal issues (pms and post-natal depression anyone?)

A submissive woman helps build up her home and earns the admiration/respect of her husband (if he's reasonable).

4) About the same reason you femi-nazis call every criticism of women misogyny. If you grab every chance to attack the generality of the male folk without ever praising the good parts as if there isn't any, if you blame them for your misfortunes (but never yourself), exaggerate bias against women but downplay bias against men, and bring up gender equality only when it suits the female-folk; face the truth, you are a bitter, man-hating feminist. If you maintain that women don't need men, that makes you lesbian.

5) Many men are brought up from childhood (a mother is usually involved in this training) to believe they are the natural heads of the family. For this, some do not bother trying to earn the respect of their wives. If you BELIEVE you are the head of your firm, how would you view an employee who likes to think you have no right to set any rules? Be sincere.

6) Same reason some people (male and female) defraud others who are trusting. Same reason some ladies lie to get men in prison for a _rape that never happened. Same reason some women maim or kill their innocent babies. It's not because they are men. It's because they are terrible persons.

7) If a man is a monster, he deserves to be treated as one. If he isn't, don't give a dog a bad name so you can hang it.

8 ) Societal norms, family upbringing (including those mothers who pamper their sons), religion. Such a view is as widespread as the view that you must never hit a woman, no matter what she does. Same source, same flaws.

9) See number (6) above. In addition, although domestic violence is bad, a woman should try not to provoke the man unnecessarily with her tongue. There's no monopoly of abuse (verbal abuse is also abuse)

10) Again, it's not because they are men. It's because they are reasonable persons. That's a man that has earned his wife's respect and natural SUBMISSION. Conflict doesn't result in happy families. It could also be because they have a wife who isn't a bitter, selfish, man-hating, blame-pushing feminist.

NB: You feminists seem to have a warped view of submission. It doesn't mean being a puppet or blind obedience. It's simply letting the other person lead. In a group of women, there's always a natural leader. For whatever reason the other women look up to her and let her lead (even without realizing it). Why is submission an issue when it involves men?

Simple answer
God made and command it so.
If you no come believe in God, I can only say to you, dereis God oooooo!

OP ask urself what it means first to be submissive. Then explain to us what it means when one is submissive to another. Then ask urself if being submissive in this time and age is a nightnare? Then ask urself why its that a problem as u say in 2014 to tbe modern man or woman? Then cucuma leave ur thread cos u are looking 4 trouble.

Marriage

Na only you waka come, abi?!


Abeg swerve.

Marriage its never a bed of roses.

Na wa o! So nobody on this forum can answer ops question. She asked numbered questions please give numbered answers so that we can knw which question number u r answering. Looking forward to seeing the answers.

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Alexcollins: D answer u seek is already spelt out in d bible. Woman should be submissive 2 their husband, while d men must respect their wife.

Same bible that supports slave trade and polygamy?

All these boy who cone to nl and curse wants someone to reverened them too?




Coconut heads

You sound angry. You need to calm down. If you want to submit to your husband, submit, if you don't want to. Leave those that are ready to submit whether their reasons are traditional or religious. As for those questions.

Kai..I feel sorry for the girls that buy into this nonsense. One Buzu comes out of nowhere and tells you "you can't submit to your man." and you wear trousers and start screaming "girl power"..especially in Naija.

Look up divorce rates in countries where this feminism crap is prevalent and you'll see why it's not the way to go in marriage. You simply can't have two captains on a ship. I know of a couple where the girl runs the show. My boy pipes down when she starts screaming and cussing and I trowey face 'cos it's none of my business but my point is, it works. They both understand someone has to step down for the other more often than not.

Anybody expecting to go into a relationship, let alone a marriage and is expecting equality in everything is setting himself/herself up for failure and disappointment. You'll either change your perspective down the road or leave. It's that simple!
Someone has to run the show, has to be the one that says "I don't want that!" and see things change. Some people will get power drunk, of course, some leaders will lead the family down the wrong path, again, that's also true. The fact is though, there is no equality in marriage!
It can't work, it won't work..most definitely not in Africa.

Diff kinds of mumu post

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Women were not created to head Men especially at home, according to Genesis, we are only help mates. The book of proverbs 31 goes further to praise us for the ways we help men and even calls us virtuous. The new testament crowned it all by asking that we submit.

a woman needs to submit to her husband Because it was a mans rib that made a woman,THIS is the law of nature,so women don't argue on THIS and Just obey the law and ur days will last longer #team antiwesternization#

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zboyd: For all those men and women that believe that a woman must submit to her husband and allow him to lead her, could you please answer the following questions:
For The Men:
1. Why do you believe submission is the recipe for long-term recipe success?

for some submission is probably a true recipe for success. As vile as that may sound, even to me, some women earnestly believe they need to submit as much as is possible to their husbands in order to get the respect they crave.
Personally though, I do not believe submission is a savory recipe.

2. What is it you believe to be the key benefits of submitting for the female?

i don't believe there are any benefits for a submitting female. Just denigration, that's all there is.

3. What does submitting to her husband bring to the woman and her life?

same as above

4. Why do some men label a woman a 'Single, Bitter Man-Hating Lesbian' when she shows she has a mind of her own, and will not hesitate to criticize negative, male attitudes and behaviors toward women, and refuse to submit to male authority?

I don't. But i can easily see why they do. It's a thing with ego. A man who believes he's superior to a woman will not hesitate to suppress any woman who he feels think little of his "powers". Freud has gone into the details of this in several of his writings.

5. Why do some men view a non-submissive woman as an attack on their manhood and pride?

for men with a huge ego, there's nothing more disturbing than a woman who challenges them. It's probably a thing with se.x too. These men find these kinds of women inaccessible.

6. Why do some men abuse and cheat on women who are totally and biblically submissive to them?

That a woman is submissive is not enough to remove the living instincts and desires of her man. Even total submission is not enough. Desires will remain, submission or not. A faithful man would never need a submissive woman or unsubmissive woman to keep him faithful.

7. How would you feel if a woman leaves you, taking the kid/s with her, because she is fed up with your heavy-handed, domineering, controlling, dictorial, abusive, power-drunk ways - all in the name of "Woman, you must submit, because the Bible said so!"?

Well, this wouldn't really happen to me, so it's difficult to answer. But I bet any man's ego will probably make him not plead with her. In a Nigerian society where marriage is viewed as a sign of success for women, she'd probably be the one to lose for it.

8. Why do some single men think women should categorically submit to men?

For reasons of comfort, I'd believe. To reassure them that they can get the things they want from her (money, se,x, love, kids, etc) without any complaints.

9. Why do some men physically threaten, physically abuse, threaten to take the children away and/or leave women who don't submit to them?

Apparently to keep them in check

10. Why do some men choose to ignore the whole concept of submission, preferring instead to work together with their women to do whatever is necessary to benefit the household as a whole, rather than adopting a "What I say goes!" mentality, and in return reap the benefits of a happy home and happy children?

Where are your proofs of this claim? That a woman is not submissive is not enough reason to gift the family with "a happy home and happy children". Your conclusion seems really far from the argument. I should believe there are cases where submissive wives enjoy a rich and fulfilling life of love, kids and success. If there were no examples, wouldn't there be many more women willing to be unsubmissive.

So, one can still make a case against your position. Let it be a choice if a woman decides to submit or not, or if a man asks for submission or not. I don't think either side profits more from the arrangement. However, I do think a woman who stands on her own two feet all by herself and insist on equal partnership has a lot more to profit in her own personal life. This could however be at the risk of losing her family. If she's willing, then she absolutely should.


A pastor wrote this? He had better check his two thousand year old book again...

Morality is different frm reality

brb

Hmm, this word 'submission' the wahala you have caused eh, no be small thing.


As far as I'm concerned, submission doesn't mean living your life as dictated by a man so I don't see how it will ever be a problem for me, any man who still defines submission as subjecting his wife to slavery is on the longest thing ever.

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I don't even understand the question