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Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by arewarepublic: 10:39pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
eaglechild: Is there any harm in accepting the truth? |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by EkoIle1: 10:40pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
arewarepublic: Trolls troll endlessly, they don't accept anything, they just troll and keep trolling till they troll you to death... |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 10:41pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
EkoIle1:I did not say we should not prevent it. But, we must use a preventive means that will work. It would have been even more helpful, if we had aided the effected countries to prevent the spread that closing our borders. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 10:43pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Mr Sawyer was taken all the way from the airport to First Consultants in Obalende. The doctors that attended to him were not dressed in protective clothing (neither were the airport workers that he was in contact with). His blood spilled on them (on their bodies). People who came in contact with him were allowed to go home (people who came in contact with the woman at the NNPC clinic were also allowed to go home)! How do you think that it won't spread? What sort of preparedness is that? |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by EkoIle1: 10:51pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: I did not say we should not prevent it. But, we must use a preventive means that will work. You said Closing our borders, screening of passengers with Fever will not help. Meaning we should not prevent it and instead rely more on medicine for treatment when in fact the primary and the most responsible thing to do is prevention to start with. Btw, how do you suggest we aid or should have helped the affected countries? |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 10:56pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
EkoIle1:The bodies like WHO and some NGO's battled to contain the spread of the virus for months before it came to Nigeria. If our government has taken their plight as a national problem, we should have supported them financially to get more equipments, facilities and staffs on ground to meticulously fight the spread. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by eaglechild: 10:56pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
naptu2:They did not need to. Because of all the reasons I gave before. Wow! You really like going round and round. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 10:59pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Now I'm going to show you what serious countries (that are thousands of miles away) do. See, I've seen those guidelines before and as he said the threat level was increased on August 1st. So what happened before August 1st (I also want to remind you that an infrared camera would have detected Mr Sawyer because he had already started showing symptoms before he got to Nigeria, but he was refusing treatment because he wanted to attend the meeting in Calabar). |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by Nobody: 11:04pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
EkoIle1:How can one sound so bitter and st00pid at the same time, re-read my initial post block-head, did I say you shouldn't hold him accountable, let me break it down for you, if you want to criticise let your criticisms be based on sound judgement and reasoning and not borne out of ignorance and bitterness, don't just come here spewing rubbish because you were able to afford Internet enabled phone. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by eaglechild: 11:09pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
naptu2: Now I'm going to show you what serious countries (that are thousands of miles away) do.You obviously haven't if you have you will not have been going round in circles. Every question you asked so far has been in the guideline. You even refused that there was any such recommendation, till I gave you the link remember? Remember repeatedly asking me to show you, then when I did all of a sudden you start claiming to have seen it before. There is no crime in not knowing everything. And you do not have to blame GEJ for every bad thing that happens in your life. I will look into the thread tomorrow but if you still want too keep awake, I advise that you read through the recommendations. Then read through the meetings and country updates. Read through the PHEIC protocols etc. Then at least you can have some info albeit from a layman's point of view. It has been nice educating you. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by Nobody: 11:09pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
EkoIle1: Yes agreed, you are very correct in your logic. But I wish we demanded for accountability from all former Nigerian leaders with the same intensity and darkest vehemence as we have done with GEJ and by all and sundry not just a select group who mischievously believe or find it very irksome that Nigeria is now under the management of an Ijaw president. If all Nigerians were united from the beginning in their pursuit for good governance our democracy would be at a very advanced stage today. The decay staring us in the face today came from our distant past. Gowon, Murtala, OBJ, Shagari, Buhari, IBB, Shonekan, Abacha, OBJ had messed up Nigeria before Yaradua / GEJ took over. Tell me a suitable alternative to GEJ today; I mean one who is ready to see all Nigerians as one. It is neither Tinubu, nor Buhari or any of their like. Power in their hands will only make some people happy but will not advance Nigeria one bit. They have tried before and failed. They will still fail again. We should stop looking for individuals who will make Nigeria good. There is no such person under our current system. We should rather seek to correct the system and then good leaders will emerge. This is the only way. Even Barack Obama will fail as a Nigerian president. 1 Like |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:16pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
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Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 11:23pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
These are steps. But, a primary carrier might not have the fever and the infra red will not detect it. 1 Like |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:31pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Aha! I thought so. For him it's about supporting GEJ. That's what it's all about. I have supported GEJ's policies ehere I believe that they've been right and I've also criticised him where he's been wrong. For me it's about the lives of Nigerians. It's not about any politician. The government has a duty to do everything it can to protect Nigerians (like tgrse asian countries are doing) but in this case it did not and people have died because of that. 1) What would have happened if there was a thermographic scanner at the airport to detect Mr Sawyer (who had already started manifesting symptoms)? If you say that thermographic scanners are unnecessary, then why has the government now announced that they will be deployed at the airport? 2) What would have happened if there were properly kitted response teams at the airport (wearing protective clothing)? 3) What would have happened if we had barred Liberians, Siera Leonians, Guineans and anybody who had been to those countries from coming into the country? The answer is that we won't have the crisis that we currently have. Those people would not have died. QED |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by EkoIle1: 11:34pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: The bodies like WHO and some NGO's battled to contain the spread of the virus for months before it came to Nigeria. If our government has taken their plight as a national problem, we should have supported them financially to get more equipments, facilities and staffs on ground to meticulously fight the spread. And this would have prevented Sawyer from entering Nigeria with the virus and killing 2 Nigerians or made the Nigerian government put measures in place to protect Nigerians back in Nigeria or prevent the the Nigerian government from Lying to Nigerians back in April that they have vaccines and measures in place and that Nigeria was ready to fight EBOLA? There's nothing wrong from helping the needy, but it doesn't mean you should leave your self and your citizens wide open and unprotected. This is exactly what your government did. They lied about their readiness and the fact that they have vaccines when in fact there's nothing like Ebola vaccine. Illiterates and incompetent people in government means needless deaths and mistakes.. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by EkoIle1: 11:36pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: These are steps. But, a primary carrier might not have the fever and the infra red will not detect it. But Sawyer was in distress and showing Ebola symptoms when he arrived in Nigeria... |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 11:37pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
EkoIle1:On that case, yes it would have worked. On the possibility of it entering, it would not have worked. Yes, border control would help. I feel helping the fight against the spread generally would have been more effective. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:41pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
This is what they keep missing. Thermographic scanners will not detect ebola victims 100% of the time, but it will detect some ebola victims (that is those that already have the symptoms) and Mr Sawyer already had those symptoms, so it would have detected him. Why not deploy them to the airport to detect the ones that it can detect? They won't have deployed them now (like they have done) if it was completely useless. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 11:47pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
naptu2: This is what they keep missing. Thermographic scanners will not detect ebola victims 100% of the time, but it will detect some ebola victims (that is those that already have the symptoms) and Mr Sawyer already had those symptoms, so it would have detected him.No one is saying it is completely useless. The most effective strategy would have been to contain the spread at the source earlier. Just as earlier fever screening would have been helpful. The Americans screening now would not be as effective as them curtailing the spread in Africa. 1 Like |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:47pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: On that case, yes it would have worked. On the possibility of it entering, it would not have worked. What do you think of protective clothing and isolation units? Would it have helped if the doctors, ambulance attendants, etc had protective clothing? Would it have prevented the doctor from contracting th disease? Would it have helped if he had been taken straight to an isolation unit at the infectious diseases centre instead of First Consultants? |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 11:49pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
naptu2:I repeat, preventing the spread at the source would have been the most effective strategy. Not the only strategy. 1 Like |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by EkoIle1: 11:50pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
jomonic: Yes, we should demand accountability across the board, but that makes no difference right now because we have to start from somewhere and GEJ is the president today so he is responsible for failures within his administration this very second. The military lied that they rescued kidnapped Nigerian school girls, but GEJ demanded no accountability and no reprimands. GEJ did not demand accountability from the Police leadership responsible for the police college rot and decay, he in fact promoted and and gave them national awards. GEJ did not demand any accountability from the minister responsible for the deaths of young Nigerian job seekers or even return the money the government scammed from them. Thousands of Nigerians have died under BH daily assault, but the Nigerian military is still inept and incapable of defending and protecting Nigerians in only 3 out of 36 states, they are also still incapable of retaking the portions of Nigeria BH took with ease unchallenged. Still, no accountability..so on and on and on and on.. Now, who do we go to for accountability today? Tinubu, Buhari, OBJ? 1 Like |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:51pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: No line is saying it is completely useless. The most effective strategy would have been to contain the spread at the source earlier. Just as earlier fever screening would have been helpful. But that's exactly what I'm saying. It's not an either or situation. We could have helped to contain the disease un Liberia, Sierrs Leone and Guinea as well as taking preventive measures here. I believe in both 1 Like |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by EkoIle1: 11:54pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: On that case, yes it would have worked. On the possibility of it entering, it would not have worked. Yes, helping Liberia and SL and while leaving your own people exposed like siting ducks sounds very proactive and responsible... Are you joking or pulling my legs? |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:54pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: I repeat, preventing the spread at the source would have been the most effective strategy. Not the only strategy. Exactly! That's my point. So what measures did we take to help contain it in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guines and what measures did we take to prevent it from spreading here? That's the issue. I completely agree with you that it's best to contain it over there, but the question is, what measures did we take to do both? 2 Likes |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 11:57pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
EkoIle1:Protecting it from spreading is a means of shielding and not exposing. If we had done that earlier, it would not spread the way it has. No one is saying do not protect the people but the most effective step is the most critical. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 11:58pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
naptu2:I agree 100%. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by atlwireles: 11:58pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Tracing Ebola’s Breakout to an African 2-Year-Old http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/world/africa/tracing-ebolas-breakout-to-an-african-2-year-old.html?action=click&cont Nigeria Struggles to Cope With Ebola Outbreak http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/africa/ebola-in-nigeria.html? |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 11:59pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: Protecting it from spreading is a means of shielding and not exposing. If we had done that earlier, it would not spread the way it has. Once again I agree with you. "If we had done that earlier, it would not spread the way it has". Very true. 1 Like |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 12:03am On Aug 11, 2014 |
naptu2:So now Fujifilm and Tekmira are in possession of experimental drugs for treating Ebola, our government should reach out to them now. Support them financially. I believe that is why they are running to America to support them to perform their clinical trials. Not only in Nigeria but the affected African countries. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by naptu2: 12:14am On Aug 11, 2014 |
thegoodjoehunt3: So now Fujifilm and Tekmira are in possession of experimental drugs for treating Ebola, our government should reach out to them now. I agree with this, but, as I told someone this morning, there are some challenged that we'll need to overcome (I call them the Trovan challenges). 1) They'll need assurances about the security of their drug. 2) They'll need waivers from the patients (in case something goes wrong). 3) We'll also need to be able to effectively monitor them (in case something goes wrong). 4) We'll also need to start with a small case study before going on to the larger population. |
Re: Gej's Incompetence Will Kill Us All If We Are Not Careful. by thegoodjoehunt3(m): 12:16am On Aug 11, 2014 |
naptu2:That is why our government has to work with them to fast track the process. We can not expect the Japanese and Canadians to be effective at their country while our government folds their hands. Contact them, find their challenges and help them overcome it fast. |
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