macof:

Good finally a reasonable person answers me
U nt exactly correct tho
Aje are spirits that can be manipulated by anyone through ordinary prayer
Witches themselves are possessed with Aje of the black energy (black doesn't mean evil) but I don't see any similarity with ur Arabic Jinns

Your know nothing of Yoruba traditions and spirituality. We honor the creator which we call Olodumare, Olodumare is made manifest through these deities, you can't get all of Olodumare in one place, it's only in bits, this bits are the Irunmole (sometimes mythically as Orisha), wat do u think the white Aje represent? It represents Obatala or is it Ori? Sorry am nt sure
But my point is Obatala created humans and Ori holds human(actually all things nt jst humans) destiny and spiritual prowess
I have seen places where Obatala is referred as the owner of human Ori until u get initiated into another cult
So am a little confused on the white aje, but am sure it's nt Ifa

Ojisik:
But wait,I have a question. "Why should a jinn or alujonu take the form of a person and go on living the person's life instead of wrecking havoc (isn't that what demons do?) everywhere? Or why don't they fulfill some desires which they may have had but couldn't perform because of their spirit form,e.g.: sex with the opposite gender or something?

Why do they always live the lives that the previous owner of the body was living?

Empiree:
okay, many sent me email from this thread. just trying to sort out each. urs is talk2olu right?

odave:




Na me b dt, you didn't reply me

I would like for those to be explained too. I know emere's are people possessed by jinns, mostly the red mischievous ones. They somehow co habit the hosts body.
I doubt if there is truly iwin and ebgere lol! But if they exist, they should be variants of jinns.
Empiree any explanation about emeres?

Empiree:
okay. i think i saw that. Just been busy. So you may want to be patient. @odave, maybe you join us on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1116143/jinn-stories/6#down

gbadexy, with respect to this,

I will not deny their existence. I think they are receding. It's difficult to find them now. Most likely in remote places or primitive counties(rural). I think Egbere is the one that carries mat, right?. That one we saw in the early 90s on a narrow bushy path behind a gently man. We shouted Egbere! the man ran and Egbere also picked raise at diff directions. You see, the thing is Quran sums things up a lot. Lots of creations that are not mentioned by name created by Allah. I believe those visible ones are receding. I think version of them are UFOs in the West, and also people in the West have reported sighting unusual creatures many times, usually bushy areas. Wallahu Alam

gbadexy:

I agree with you with the example of UFO you gave.
What I read in the Quran is the Lord of man, jinns and ALL that exists.
Irrespective of what some scholars may think, I do believe there are other creatures outside of our planet. The whole universe is too vast for life to be on only our planet.

CHUKSKALIDONN:

Once the soul assumes into a body, it becomes imprisoned by it. The soul is incapable of physicality by itself thus needs a body for physically but the arguments of reason and that of Plato suggests that the soul is tortured and imprisoned by the body thus rendering it still and inactive...if the soul(spirit) can actually posses a body and become active then all human beings are in one way or the other a spirit.......there is nothing like jinn....a soul is a soul and a body is a body. If a soul possesses a body it becomes imprisoned by it as on humans.......thanks

gbadexy:

I agree with you with the example of UFO you gave.
What I read in the Quran is the Lord of man, jinns and ALL that exists.

rhymz:
the difference between you and I is the fact that I do not attribute inexplicable phenomenon to some sky daddy hanging up no where. Sure there is a supernatural force that governs this universe, what I will continue to disagree is the fact that it an entity represented by religious interpretation, I will rather go with the results and some of the logical explanations of science than the personal religious claims of the founders of any religion.

The fact that these many religions have different interpretations,conflicting reports of the divine revelations and most times, outright denial of each other's competing God's is all testament to the fact that God is actually a man's creation and not the phenomenal force that science logically describes as to our existence. Tryst me lady, I am not confused in my convictions, I do not need to have experience outside of the human realm or what is humanly perceptible to hold my beliefs.

rhymz:
the difference between you and I is the fact that I do not attribute inexplicable phenomenon to some sky daddy hanging up no where. Sure there is a supernatural force that governs this universe, what I will continue to disagree is the fact that it an entity represented by religious interpretation, I will rather go with the results and some of the logical explanations of science than the personal religious claims of the founders of any religion.

The fact that these many religions have different interpretations,conflicting reports of the divine revelations and most times, outright denial of each other's competing God's is all testament to the fact that God is actually a man's creation and not the phenomenal force that science logically describes as to our existence. Tryst me lady, I am not confused in my convictions, I do not need to have experience outside of the human realm or what is humanly perceptible to hold my beliefs.

jomoh:


Please can I get Alhaji Issa Akindele's number from u. If not please can u help me get it. I really have been looking to get his number for someone close to me in a very long time.

Empiree:


Jinns speak any language in the environment they are. I dont think it's appropriate to call them spirit. The word is too loose. Angels are called spirit. Human soul is also called. It's safe to call them "supernatural beings" in the sense that we cant see them. They live longer than human beings. Some of them live as low as 2000yrs old. Some live longer. They live among human in their own planet(Sammawat). That is, different dimension of space and time.
I am sorry there is no way i can describe this without a bit of religious sentiment. So please pardon me. Qur'an says that 1000 yrs is 1 day with God, 50yrs is one day with God etc. This means different sammwat(planet is close definition). Their planet is within the human earth. I wish i can explain better. There is a Yoruba movie titled "Aiye Tuntun"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAdn40JKM9c . The movie gives a clue about sammawat. So Jinns live among us but in their own sammawat where we cant see them. I tried to explain this.

Wealthyone:


I tried to download this movie few days ago when u made this comment. Unfortunately, network was poor n the download failed. The good news is...the movie is showing @ the moment on African magic Yoruba and it's very interesting. Started some 40mins ago.

Empiree:
Okay now. Enojoy and let's hear what you think of it, sir.

gbadexy:

There are jinns. I know what I'm talking about. I'm not speaking on hearsay or my opinion of how I feel life should be. You can ask spiritual elders. I assume you are a traditionalist, then talk to your elders that are enlightened.
However I do share your opinion of the body limiting the soul. Once the soul is free of the body, it can do supernatural things the jinns can do.
I may not know more about the deities of traditional worships but while I was still a student in lasu and coupled with the accompanying youthful exuberance, I've had access to what very few I've had courtesy of an uncle of a very close friend who I think wad an apena or so and is also a saint of some society. Fashy the knowledge of history of the deities.
Your elders may know there are forces but do not know how to relate it with jinns having not been exposed to knowledge about them from other sources.
The exposure I've had makes me appreciate Islam, the platform I worship my creator more.

Empiree:
Akudaya: Myth or Reality?

What is Akudaya?
It simply means incarnation or reincarnation.

Myth or Reality?
Both

Explain please:
It is a myth because when a person dies he(or she) does not come back to life(world). He(or she) can no longer be seen.
How then is it real. But we hear stories about them. So?. Jinn(Alujonu) at work. They take form of dead people. They could take form of your grandfather that died longtime ago and people who know your grandfather will confirm seeing him. In short, the reality is 'he' is seen. The myth is the person seen is not your real grandfather. You can get deep sense of this in Islam. When someone dies, that's it. The person is dead for real whether natural death or murdered.
Jinns reside in dirty, filthy places, like bathroom, filthy uncompleted building. That's why it's advisable to wear clothe to cover private part when taking shower. Cover yourself with blanket (etc) during intercourse. Don't be scared now. They don't necessarily reside in all dirty bathrooms or places. Jinns are endowed with supernatural perception. They lodge where they can see human but human beings can not see them. They can see you taking shower, having intercourse etc. Most of them are liars. Never take their words seriously. In a nutshell, if you see "Akudaya", a relative, he or she is not your relative so long as the person is dead. Hope this answer your question. See if you can find useful info in this link.
https://www.nairaland.com/209195/islam-exorcism

AlBaqir:


Hmmmm....so many experiences brother and I concluded all can never be the work of the Jinn. And besides can Jinn take the form of human and get stable? Anyhow do you believe in Al-Raj'ah (the return)? That probably explains some. I already posted a thread on Al-Raj'ah. Allah knows best.

Anas09:
The Muslims hijacked the thread. Am not suprised, they will know better, their prophet mohammed worked and interracted with Jinns all his ministry. Just that the Jins pretended to be Angels, and Satan pretended as the true God. So, go on and enlighten us muslims, we r learning.

Empiree:
Mostly Yasin and various duas. Yasin is a very poweful dua. One needs to have money to buy at least goat. If possible Ram and Cow will be a lot better. Otherwise Surah Yasin, if recited a lot can sucks your blood. That is a sign of 'gbigba adua'. That's why till this moment especially in Ramadan he buys 3 big Rams. Each for 10days of Ramadan. There was a time he was broke back in the 70s but he loves keeping livestock (chickens). Thats back up just in case. He was broke when Surah Yasin started to pick. Most of his livestock are found dead very early in the morning. They dried.

lexiconkabir:


As regards the underlined, i leave you with the second verse of suratu taha;

"mā anzalna `alaykal Qur'āna li tashqā"

"We did not revealed the Quran to you to cause you distress/harm/problems"

Empiree:
You would see stuff like this in Sahih ahadith akhi

lexiconkabir:


Sahih ahadith? This is bizarre to me, if you could give us the references to these ahadith, we will be from amongst the grateful ones.