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Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:01pm On Aug 30, 2014 |
Weah96: Assumptions of an old earth or an young one. If your reasoning is based on a belief in evolution, which assumes the earth must be billions of years old, your calculations would be based on such assumptions, which will be correct but still give a wrong conclusion. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:02pm On Aug 30, 2014 |
Liveair: The Christian worldview. Read more on this thread ==> https://www.nairaland.com/1879266/what-does-bible-say-dinosaurs |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Liveair: 5:50pm On Aug 30, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Check the 3rd post of that your thread, I replied you. Also try and counter these ages; http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 11:02pm On Aug 30, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: You're not making much sense brother. Maybe you should read this. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-science-figured-out-the-age-of-the-earth/ Evolution doesn't have anything to do with radiometric dating. 2 Likes |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:32pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
Weah96: I reiterate that assumptions in the science is crucial. If your presupposition or starting assumption is false though all your calculation based on this false premise may be right but it will still give a wrong conclusion as it has done in the evolution worldview. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 1:30am On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Don't just regurgitate an argument without being able to defend it. Exactly which assumptions are you referring to? Is it the number of parent and daughter nuclides present in the original sample? 1 Like |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:19pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Weah96: Your assumption based on a belief in evolution, which assumes the earth must be billions of years old. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 2:00pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: LOL. Did I not just tell you that evolution and radiometric dating are distinct subjects? One could assume that the earth is billions of years old, or only 6000 years old, and your beliefs still won't affect the number of parent and daughter nuclides present in a sample of rock. So forget this assumption business. We're now talking about physics and chemistry. 2 Likes |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:31pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Weah96: Don't even start what you can't finish. When a scientist's interpretation of data does not match the clear meaning of the text in the holy Scriptures I don't have to reinterpret the scriptures because I know that God means what He says and says what He means. He is infallible. And since the Scriptures are the inspired, infallible word of God I scrutinise the standard interpretation of Carbon dating by asking the following questions: 1. Is the interpretation of the data taken from observational science or an interpretation of past events? 2. Are there any assumptions involved in the dating method? 3. Are the dates provided by 14C dating consistent with what we observe today? 4. Do all scientists accept the 14C dating method as reliable and accurate? That is why I asserted that all radiometric dating methods use scientific procedures in the present to interpret what has happened in the past. Answering the above questions would enable good scientists to examine the validity of the standard explanation of 14C dating. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 6:21pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Carbon is not the only element that decays. They all do. What exactly is your contention with the procedures used to arrive at dates? This carbon business is rubbish. Other elements can be used to corroborate the readings obtained from carbon nuclides. 2 Likes |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:03pm On Sep 01, 2014 |
Weah96: We are talking about 14C here. Radiocarbon is more often used to date organic materials, it can't be used directly to date inorganic materials. It can only give dates in the thousands of year range and not in millions or billions as your worldview would want us believe. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 2:05pm On Sep 02, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Radiocarbon dating uses the decay rate of carbon as a clock. It isn't the only radiometric dating technique available, but it is the oldest and most popular. Again, you spoke of assumptions earlier, and how they affect the dates obtained by radiometric dating. How do assumptions affect the date obtained for rocks and fossils? 2 Likes |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:20am On Sep 03, 2014 |
Weah96: Carbon-14 dating is mostly used in dating once living things and not for non-living things and they can only give dates in the thousands as opposed to the purported millions or billions according to the evolutionists worldview. The assumption of the rate of decay which is the ratio of 1 to 1 trillion. If this assumption is not true, then the method will give wrong dates. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 11:21pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Carbon 14 is not used to date rocks and dinosaur fossils. What are you talking about? When carbon 14 was used, the date of the bones came up to almost 40k years, more than the 6k suggested by creationists. That alone should have dispelled all doubt about the bible being a work of fiction. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:47am On Sep 04, 2014 |
Weah96: I thought according to the evolutionary worldview, dinosaurs disappeared from the face of the earth about 65 million years ago. How then did your carbon dating come up with 40,000 years in dating their fossils? If the Bible says God created dinosaurs around 6,000 years ago which one is closer? When the scientists calculation and interpretation of data does not match the clear meaning of the text in the Bible I will rather go with what God says in His record than reinterpret the bible to meet faulty man's assumption because I know that God's word is infallible. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 1:06am On Sep 04, 2014 |
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Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 1:13am On Sep 04, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Carbon dating dinosaur fossils was undertaken by creationists, not scientists. Their methods have yet to receive a favorable peer review, even from other scientists who happen to be Christians. The point I'm trying to emphasize is that the results of radiometric testing done by young earth creationists disagree with the chronological history of life presented in the bible. So I don't understand where you're going with this argument. 2 Likes |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:42am On Sep 04, 2014 |
Weah96: Tell me. How long ago do you believe dinosaurs last walked the face of the earth? |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 3:47am On Sep 04, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Longer then the biblical age of earth. 1 Like |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:39pm On Sep 04, 2014 |
Weah96: Is it in thousands or millions or even billions of years? |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by Weah96: 4:46pm On Sep 04, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Why don't you also ask me whether vehicles run on water or gasoline? The age of dinosaur fossils have been confirmed by multiple testing methods to be in the tens of millions of years. 1 Like |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by davien(m): 7:14pm On Sep 04, 2014 |
Olaadegbu please i'm confused on how you can look at yourself in the mirror knowing fully well that creationism is a fraud to pull back the fading whims of christianity... I mean how desperate do you have to be to have predispositions about mythical humans and dinosaurs co-existence?.. How desperate do you have to be to believe a man could break newtonian laws of gravity with magic How desperate do you have to be to try to demote centuries of research with which honest working men and women have devoted their entire lives for the study and understanding of natural phenomena to be represented by models,theorems and mathematical cause and effect representations Marie currie if i'm not mistaken lost a loving husband and became irradiated due to radio-isotopic research...and just because of 2000 year old literature of violence and paradoxes you intend to scrutinize something multitudes diligently and patiently aimed to study at the expense of their lives for your future?..shame on you! |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:27pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
Weah96: What "multiple testing methods" did you use in dating millions of years for dinosaur fossils? |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:27pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
davien: The fallacy of complex questions. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by davien(m): 1:05am On Sep 09, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:willfully point out my "fallacy"...i reckoned a noble question as to how you bold-headedly smear scientific data you have no understanding of just to bolster your version of religious propaganda a.k.a creationism... or do big words hurt your head? |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:28pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
davien: Your sophistry knows no bound as pointed out below: 1. You assumed creation is a fraud without showing any evidence to buttress your point. 2. You assumed that humans and dinosaurs did not co-exist without showing us the historic or scientific facts. 3. You assumed that creation breaks newtonian laws of gravity with magic. 4. You assumed that evolution is a work of science when it is not. 5. You mistake science for evolution and say that we should take you serious. 6. You end up with the use of Ad hominem as the usual atheist co-out. |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by yazach: 5:59pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Fulfilled Prophecy Mr OLAADEGBU OR WHAT DO YOU CALL YOUR SELF, YOU HAVE THIS EVIDENCES AND YOU REFUSE TO PROVE YOUR SELF ON THIS THREAD EVEN WHEN YOUR NAME WAS MENTIONED. ARE YOU SCARE OR NOT COMPETENT ENOUGH? IF YOU ARE SURE OF YOUR SELF, JUST CLICK ON THIS https://www.nairaland.com/1866203/people-hate-jesus-love-muhammad |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:07pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
yazach: What has your thread got to do with this one? |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by davien(m): 2:00am On Sep 10, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:lol,i "assumed" "creation science" is a fraud?! ... please can you mention one peer-reviewed "creation" model that has with falsify-able evidence been used to understand any phenomenon? Secondly i asked you to indicate my fallacy of complex question...and as usual olaadegbu you've jumped from that current accusation to accusing me of making assumptions here which i have not made atall...it goes to show how pathetic your position is.. the constant goal-post shifting needed to clear away answering any questions that you are unable to... i advise you to keep concurrent the topics others have presented to you as seperate from mine... And indeed creationism is a fraud because it relies on various con-man tenants i would outline for you here; 1. The equivocation of terms; Creationism has employed childish equivocation of terms to deceive the ill-informed into presenting itself with a valid stance of authority on scientific terms... An example of this is the common claim that "creation science" is valid...when it holds a presupposition of the bible mythology being factual...presuppositions do not exist in falsify-able science and childish methods such as: "if creationism is a religion...evolution is a religion too" "if creationism is a fairy tale...evolution is a fairy tale too" "evolution is just a theory" etc 2. The absence of peer-reviewed research; any "creation science" outline is never presented for general publicized peer-review but given out to men and women whom were indoctrinated into the same form of religious extremism and whom have taken "statements of faith" to denounce anything that goes against the presuppostion..that-is to say "creation scientists" self-approve their own research and have taken "oaths of faith" to denounce anything that goes against it....you olaadegbu should be familiar with your answers in genesis "statement of faith" which as your founder ken ham has said is " By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record." with that said....a creationist can forever deny every piece of evidence that goes against the "scriptural record"..virtually forever,by an oath of dogma 3. Methods used; Creationists employ many methods to confuse the issue...my number three point will have sub-categories I. GOAL-POST SHIFTING you olaadegbu as with all creationists are fond of this.... when you are presented a question as i have presented you so many times to define what a "kind" is... i am given "loose definitions"....loose in the aspect that the definition can be changed at any time to suit any purpose you wish it to be...from creatures that can breed successfully to examples like "cat kind,dog kind,human kind"...and when pointed out as to give a defining barrier between the arbituary definition you move away from the topic.... II. IMPROPER USE OF SCIENTIFIC DATA AND MISREPRESENTATIONS This is what drives "creationism"....now your fond of making "carbon-14 is wrong" statements so i'll start there.....now before a divulge on this i would like to first explain what radio-metric dating is....it is somewhat the study of the age of objects using the known decay rates of radioactive elements/isotopes ...with that said certain materials require specialized methods for accurate dating...and this dating ranges...from estimated chronological years using known samples around the artifact to "radiocarbon-years" etc.... now a creationist would just have to date a tree layer fossil found in a rock using varying methods...get bogus readings and use such readings to bolster his rebuttals... Also olaadegbu you are familiar with your favorite misrepresentation...the "evolution is not a science" claim using elementary definitions of science as being testable and observable...,when evolution has been observed through various speciation events i.e emergence of new species...like the croatian lizards that after being introduced to a new different environment displayed the exploitation of new environments as presented in darwins' "origin of species" to develop enhance favourable traits in the population necessary for survival...the lizards developed organs that were non-existant i.e the cecal valve.. to learn more examples of such...here is a link [url] http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html [/url] III. NON-SEQUITUR Creationists are fond of using unrelated terms to either assume positions,question positions or even avoid positions...your goto non sequitur is when discussing about evolution which is the study of bio-diversity you immediately jump to the origins of life as though evolution were meant to answer it...and then again jump to the origins of the universe ...this is also part of misrepresentation that creationists use....and the fact that this is done on purpose and willfully to fulfill all the listed con-man methods and deceive the masses' is morally wrong.. All this reasons makes me ask you how proud you are to lie for your mythology by employing such ill-methods just to bolster your version of religious extremism and are just few examples i can write-up at the moment as to why "creationism" is a fraud... 1 Like |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by yazach: 9:56am On Sep 10, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:It has to do with your redemption from believing bible is world of God Just click and make your self comfortable |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:26am On Sep 10, 2014 |
davien: Evolution is refuted in this short videoclip. Check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWecPwrQv2c?list=PL1v9pqs4w1mxRVplL9I5Pq_qQH9jy8b1V |
Re: Compelling Evidence That The Bible Is True - Fulfilled Prophecy by davien(m): 10:37am On Sep 10, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:lol....150 years of peer-reviewed science refuted in 2 and a half minutes...lol!... olaadegbu...do you know the concurrent fields of research for evolution that cross-confirm it?! They range from; avatism and vestiges insertions of erv in genes conjoint centromeres of ape chromosomes in the 23rd chromosome of humans morphological and anatomical evidence i.e the fossil record apparent emergence of new species evolving through isolation or introduction in new environments etc I literally directed you to peer-reviewed evidence of evolution [url] http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html [/url] ...but did you bother reading....no...you simple posted a 2 and a half minute video to refute 150 years of research |
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