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Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by ooduapathfinder: 8:11am On Aug 20, 2014
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Jimi Agbaje, the former Afenifere Treasurer and now a potential Lagos State PDP Governorship candidate got more than what he bargained for when he visited Goodluck Jonathan to seek his support for his candidacy. As the major condition for such support, Goodluck Jonathan simply told him to pick an Igbo as his deputy. Jimi Agbaje’s response was that he will “think” about it. But while he’s doing his thinking, it is also appropriate for us to do our own thinking.
Of course, there is nothing wrong in having anyone from anywhere aspiring to be anything. But we also know that aspirations do not exist in a vacuum; they necessarily represent certain interests and when the environment in which such interest operate is not conducive to the free and fullest expression of the inherent attributes of the inhabitants, it will not be enough to simply advocate the necessity for such expression but the underlying factors that make its negation possible must be addressed. So, this is not about any form of chauvinism but the reality of our existence which cannot be denied as historical facts. And yes, facts can be used for any purpose, negative or positive, but since these categories are not in themselves neutral, it can only follow that they are useful only in circumstances of their context. What then is the context of an Igbo deputy Governor for Lagos as demanded by Goodluck Jonathan?
When the Igbo claim that their population in Lagos is 43% of the population, the question is, what census was carried out in order to arrive at such figures? When Goodluck Jonathan, in 2011, openly stated that the Yoruba are a minority in all the Yoruba States, on what basis was that statement made? Since there is no verifiable basis for such claims, it can only follow that there is an underlying motive for such.
Since the beginnings of the anti-colonial struggles, the Igbo have always claimed that Lagos is a “no man’s land” in spite of oral and written historical records to the contrary; till today, the Igbo still claim that the AG “rigged” Azikiwe out of the 1951 Western Regional elections, in spite of the evidence to the contrary; the Igbo blame Awo for all sorts of things during the Nigeria-Biafra War, in spite of evidence to the contrary; hence, to all intents and purposes, there is an animus by the Igbo against the Yoruba which center on our different interpretations of Nationalism and Decolonization; where the Igbo had initially pursued a unitarist agenda based on a denial of the multi-cultural nature of the colony.
Meanwhile Awo had already understudied the decolonization process in other parts of the world and came up with Federalism as the solution for a multi-cultural and multi-lingual country and which was one of the reasons for the NCNC/NPC gang-up against him and by extension, the Yoruba Western Region. The gang-up was possible because both the North and the East were aspirants as successors of British rule based on a Unitarian philosophy which was opposed by the AG.
Fast forward to the present, all of the above, now culminating in the demand for an Igbo deputy Governor as a precondition for supporting one of his foot soldiers is the context in which the political reality of aspiration is being played out; especially when the foot-soldiers have already sold out by acceding to Jonathan’s rejection of the Ethno-Nationalities as the Federating Units. By a stroke of the pen, the Ethno-Nationality is wiped out, which falls in line with the earlier non-recognition of the nationality in Azikiwe’s anti-colonialism.
Yet, it was the AG and Awo that caused the setting up of the Willink Commission to look into the question of minorities in Nigeria based on an insistence on creating their own Regions. When the same AG was in power in the Western Region, its policies were not limited to only Yoruba as beneficiaries but to all residents which made many non-Yoruba migrate to Yorubaland in order to benefit from its free education policies. When Lateef Jakande was governor under the UPN, similar experiences were recorded. They were able to do this simply because it was part of their social democratic philosophy via the instrumentality of the Egbe Omo Oduduwa and based on the core values of Yoruba existentialism which had been in existence for ages and which allowed for the tolerant attitude of the Yoruba to non-Yoruba peoples in their midst, such that even in the midst of the Nigerian-Biafran War, the Igbo who left the West returned to find their properties intact and in many cases, Yoruba collected rents on their behalf and returned such rents to the returning Igbo owners.
Thus, when some of us were shouting from the rooftops about Jonathan’s attempt at dominating and colonizing Yorubaland, we were called all sorts of names. Jonathan’s foot-soldiers in Yorubaland, to be found in Afenifere, Segun Mimiko, Gbenga Daniel and sundry organizations told whoever cared to listen that Goodluck Jonathan is the solution for Yorubaland, which, according to them, was why he flagged off the repair of the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway; why he appointed a Yoruba retired general as his chief of staff and why they all followed Goodluck Jonathan in his National Conference jamboree against all reason.
These foot-soldiers aided Jonathan in following the script written by the colonial authorities in denying Ilorin and Offa as part of Yorubaland by making them submit to a plebiscite whose results would have to be approved by the pre-independence Constitutional Conference where the Northern delegates even refused to have such a plebiscite before independence thus making us lose those provinces to the North. This Jonathan’s Conference relied on similar modalities, where, of all the states it agreed to create, only the Yoruba in Kwara and Kogi States were singled out to participate in a plebiscite in order to determine where they want to belong and whose results would now be subject to approval by a Jonathan controlled National Assembly, if he would have his way of imposing himself on the country.
These foot-soldiers even excoriated Asiwaju Tinubu based on his early opposition to the kangaroo Conference. And all of this against the backdrop of the electoral machinations embarked upon by Goodluck Jonathan in his attempt at “capturing” Yorubaland and make us submissive to his whims via the resort to militarization of the elections as a mechanism to effectuate his grand designs and these Yoruba foot-soldiers wasted no time in justifying this fascist program as a necessary adjunct to democracy even to the point of saying they prefer Ijaw domination over Fulani domination.
All of the above are the results of the nature of Nigeria’s Federalism, which when brought up is always considered a settled issue, so much so that the natural boundaries of indigeneity is denied. And when Jonathan started on his National Conference journey, these Yoruba foot-soldiers were in the forefront of complete assimilation into his agenda, including, especially the definition of a Federating Unit where they promoted the notion that the States, as presently administratively configured should be the “federating unit” contrary to historical experiences as well as the socio-cultural implications of such a decision.
It is no rocket science to know that a replacement of a culture by an administrative set-up is a sure fire way of neutralizing such a culture. Taking the issue of Language as a determinant of development as an example, Yoruba Language cannot be a language of Instruction in a Yoruba State whose indigeneity has been denied. As “advanced” as Europe is, one of the major issues driving the Catalan Independence efforts (and the Flemish) is the issue of Language. The discussion on immigration in the Scottish Independence debate is based on the recognition of Scottish indigeneity through which it can formulate its relations with non-Scots who wish to reside in Scotland for whatever purpose. And if it is OK for Scotland and England to discuss issues on immigration why is it not OK for us, who were “created” by them?
Whether Goodluck Jonathan succeeds with Jimi Agbaje or not, it is very obvious that Jonathan’s PDP and his foot-soldiers are up to no good for Yorubaland and hence must be placed in the dust-heap of history where they belong. The question of a “choice” between the Fulani or the Igbo/Ijaw is neither here nor there for Yorubaland does not need to make such a choice. All we need to do is to ensure that our region Remains under our own political control, which, in this instance is the APC through which it will be possible for us to once more promote our quest for autonomy.
There are two advantages to this. First, it will allow the APC itself to navigate its way in the pan-Nigerian environment where a possible Southern APC candidate can be canvassed to oppose Jonathan. Secondly, if that is not achievable, we will still have our own political space where we can mount a defense against any shenanigans from the center.
Not all the proponents of Scottish Independence are in love with the SNP but the SNP’s electoral success as the majority party in Scottish Parliament made it possible to advance Scottish Independence to where it is today. Same thing goes for the Catalans where both Artur Mas CiU and the left wing ERC combined to lift up the Independence movement even with obstacles created by the Spanish parliament. In our own case, neither the PDP nor the SDP/UPN/LP and sundry platforms are in any way concerned about our autonomy for they are actually Jonathan’s foot-soldiers in the land and they have confirmed such. The only Party we have is the APC and we should let these foot-soldiers know that there is no vacancy for them in Yorubaland; for political control of one’s region is as important as the drive for autonomy itself. The issue is thus not what we feel about SW APC but the historical imperative of maintaining our political space for further pursuit of our autonomy as a sine qua non for our full decolonization and development.

Leye Ige

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Mynd44: 8:45am On Aug 20, 2014
Let the games begin

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by RoyalRoy(m): 8:57am On Aug 20, 2014
Very Articulate and thought provoking.



Yoruba Ronu

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by ola6: 8:59am On Aug 20, 2014
Op

First of all, if Jimi win the primaries. I will withdraw my support for PDP to win Lagos because he cannot ripe where he did not sow. I hate people like that. Opportunistic rats like Him, Tinubu and the other Iragbiri rats (they know themselves).
Secondly, an Igbo deputy? I have nothing against Igbos o but not in this Lagos, maybe another dimension. With some of the comments I read here? God forbid the unthinkable. Any party that does that will LOSE Lagos WOEFULLY!!!
Lastly, it will be a huge shame to GEJ. His Reputation as our best president since the advent of democracy will be tarnished because he means he is CLEARLY bias towards the Igbos.

Igbos can aspire but to be imposed is what I will not support.

They dare not!!! angry

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Sunnybobo3(m): 8:59am On Aug 20, 2014
Ethnic bigots at work.

Ooduapathfibder.com, nice source!

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Nobody: 8:59am On Aug 20, 2014
Congregation of tribal bigots.

Meanwhile, was the author present at the meeting where GEJ advised Agbaje to pick an Igbo deputy? In what other states has GEJ been involved in picking deputy governors? This is how APC goats divide Nigerians like along ethnic lines only to later point accusing fingers in the wrong direction. I'm not surprised that some tribal goats have already adopted the gibberish as a statement of fact.

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by RoyalRoy(m): 9:01am On Aug 20, 2014
ola6: Secondly, an Igbo deputy? I have nothing against Igbos o but not in this Lagos, maybe another dimension. With some of the comments I read here? God forbid the unthinkable. Any party that does that will LOSE Lagos WOEFULLY!!!

Hmmm
Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by 2cato: 9:02am On Aug 20, 2014
Typical of the Yoruba ranting and a ranting from an ant.
If trully lagos is made up of 90% yoloba i see no reason to fear the igbo but if it is false then fashola and his APC should start deporting the igbo as usuall only to apologise latter by calling them Igbo

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by RoyalRoy(m): 9:02am On Aug 20, 2014
Sunnybobo3: Ethnic bigots at work.

Ooduapathfibder.com, nice source!

Sincere9gerian: Congregation of tribal bigots

Can a lizard aspire to be king in the territory of a crocodile??

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by ola6: 9:13am On Aug 20, 2014
Sincere9gerian: Congregation of tribal bigots.
Meanwhile, was the author present at the meeting where GEJ advised Agbaje to pick an Igbo deputy? This is how APC goats divide Nigerians like along ethnic lines only to later point accusing fingers in wrong direction.


You do have a solid point. These APC guys are desperate. The Iragbiji rats know the implications of losing Lagos. No more free money for Tinubu ole, gay bisi akande and the sycophant lie mohammed.

I love GEJ die because I see his works not because I know him or receive something from him BUT if by any remote chance, this is true; then it is shame on him and he will lose Lagos. That is the gospel truth!

However, for now, lets assume this is one of the propagandas by thief lie mohammed and the rat gang.

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by onatisi(m): 9:23am On Aug 20, 2014
So the op was there at the meeting when gej asked jimi to pick an igbo as deputy,abi? Op , o ti ya were .

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by ola6: 9:28am On Aug 20, 2014
onatisi: So the op was there at the meeting when gej asked jimi to pick an igbo as deputy,abi? Op , o ti ya were .

Lol. Were ni awon people yi, walahi!!!

Question,

why does APC like violence/inciting violence?

What exactly does APC stand for? An ethnic party?! If it is truly a Yoruba centric party then why contest a National election?!

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by lawkie77(m): 9:31am On Aug 20, 2014
This same lagos APC,reject regional autonomy and opt for special status,

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by onatisi(m): 9:34am On Aug 20, 2014
ola6:

Lol. Were ni awon people yi, walahi!!!

Question,

why does APC like violence/inciting violence?

What exactly does APC stand for? An ethnic party?! If it is truly a Yoruba centric party then why contest a National election?!
apc is a desperate party filled to tthe brim with political desperados who are ready to use all desperate measures to win at all cost.but who are fast losing relevance in the political setup and landscape of nigeria

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by maestroferddi: 10:05am On Aug 20, 2014
Dont this people get tired of conspiracy theories?

What exactly is gained by whipping up cheap ethnic sentiments?


I am sure this ill-advised disdain for Jonathan will haunt his traducers one way or the other.

Accept it or not, Jonathan is the national President and consequently wields unusual powers no thanks to our constitutional configuration.



It doesn't add up that Jonathan would stoop so low as to be selecting deputy-governorship candidates.



In any case, the question a thoughtful Yoruba man should ask themselves is whether it is not time to embrace national integration and repudiate this penchant for isolationism.


Are the Yorubas not underselling themselves by the so-called progressive politics? Is progressive politics as understood by its Yoruba proponents in tandem with political realities of present-day Nigeria?

Why demonise certain elements who apparently understand the current dynamics of Nigeria politics in that it is expedient to strike a balance in ideological leanings?


For crying out aloud, this is 2014 and not Awo's 1960s...

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by taharqa: 10:46am On Aug 20, 2014
Sincere9gerian: Congregation of tribal bigots.

Meanwhile, was the author present at the meeting where GEJ advised Agbaje to pick an Igbo deputy? In what other states has GEJ been involved in picking deputy governors? This is how APC goats divide Nigerians like along ethnic lines only to later point accusing fingers in the wrong direction. I'm not surprised that some tribal goats have already adopted the gibberish as a statement of fact.
Bless you!!

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Itoroetti(m): 11:29am On Aug 20, 2014
Sincere9gerian: Congregation of tribal bigots.

Meanwhile, was the author present at the meeting where GEJ advised Agbaje to pick an Igbo deputy? In what other states has GEJ been involved in picking deputy governors? This is how APC goats divide Nigerians like along ethnic lines only to later point accusing fingers in the wrong direction. I'm not surprised that some tribal goats have already adopted the gibberish as a statement of fact.

u took the words out of my mouth.
was he there when GEJ made such declaration?
these guys can lie.tinubu really inculcate the habbit of lies into their soul.they cant live without propagating of lies like radioactive waves

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by oduastates: 11:34am On Aug 20, 2014
maestroferddi: Dont this people get tired of conspiracy theories?

What exactly is gained by whipping up cheap ethnic sentiments?


I am sure this ill-advised disdain for Jonathan will haunt his traducers one way or the other.

Accept it or not, Jonathan is the national President and consequently wields unusual powers no thanks to our constitutional configuration.



It doesn't add up that Jonathan would stoop so low as to be selecting deputy-governorship candidates.



In any case, the question a thoughtful Yoruba man should ask themselves is whether it is not time to embrace national integration and repudiate this penchant for isolationism.


Are the Yorubas not underselling themselves by the so-called progressive politics? Is progressive politics as understood by its Yoruba proponents in tandem with political realities of present-day Nigeria?

Why demonise certain elements who apparently understand the current dynamics of Nigeria politics in that it is expedient to strike a balance in ideological leanings?


For crying out aloud, this is 2014 and not Awo's 1960s...

Whether it is a conspiracy or not ,
PDP is the corrupt and feudal federal government
The corrupt and feudal federal government is PDP
Komi agbaje's aspiration or whatever he calls himself is Dead on arrival

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by jaso1(m): 12:23pm On Aug 20, 2014
2cato: Typical of the Yoruba ranting and a ranting from an ant.
If trully lagos is made up of 90% yoloba i see no reason to fear the igbo but if it is false then fashola and his APC should start deporting the igbo as usuall only to apologise latter by calling them Igbo

Yoruba sociology believes does not accommodate this senseless suggestion. Evidence was quoted in the post that- during Biafra and when your entire forefathers flee, your property were met intact. Yoruba people need not to raise voice or exchange words with other regions over geographical boundary. As it is not possible for Yoruba to claim native of other state so it is for anybody in Nigeria. When it’s time to sheet the onus will open, nobody informed them to run during Biafra war, and Jonathan can never win election again in Yoruba land which is very clear. Those black legs among us will surely meet their waterloo.

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Tobbie9(m): 12:29pm On Aug 20, 2014
Agbaje is DOA as far as lagos governorship is concerned, PDP had better look for another candidate
Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by PointB: 12:44pm On Aug 20, 2014
Sincere9gerian: Congregation of tribal bigots.

Meanwhile, was the author present at the meeting where GEJ advised Agbaje to pick an Igbo deputy? In what other states has GEJ been involved in picking deputy governors? This is how APC goats divide Nigerians like along ethnic lines only to later point accusing fingers in the wrong direction. I'm not surprised that some tribal goats have already adopted the gibberish as a statement of fact.


Well said!

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Nobody: 12:47pm On Aug 20, 2014
Agbaje or no Agbaje, I pray the best candidate wins,

off topic;

but seriously why are some igbos so desperate to have an igbo deputy in Lagos, Lagos ain't Enugu or Anambra for God's Sake!
Who is the Bastard yoruba that is so insecure.
Until it starts working all over the country, I mean until a Sangotade or Oyabunmi can contest for election in any part of this country and he won't be judge by the tribe he came from, I think we should all stick to our own business. Let igbo contest in Igboland and Yoruba in Yorubaland!

oko ki je ti baba ti omo ko ma ni ala! Yoruba e ronu! A bill was just raised in enugu to give land to some fulani nomads in order to graze their cattles, the moments it's out igbo peeps start going against it, I'm sure it will never see the light of the day!

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Nobody: 12:50pm On Aug 20, 2014
We really need to stop all this tribalism. I was reading this article hoping to make some sense out of it, but it's obviously a yoruba vs igbo article. We are all Nigerians. The road we Nigerians are taking will lead to a genocide one day. Too much hatred. *spits*

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by jmaine: 12:52pm On Aug 20, 2014
Whosoever believes this concentrated cocktail of bullshyte deserves to be thrown into a raging furnace

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by MzJackBaueress(f): 1:01pm On Aug 20, 2014
An Igbo deputy governor for Lagos under PDP? I hope Lagosians will be able to withstand the outcome. I just hope its not true!
Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by shizzle11(m): 1:06pm On Aug 20, 2014
ola6:

Lol. Were ni awon people yi, walahi!!!

Question,

why does APC like violence/inciting violence?

What exactly does APC stand for? An ethnic party?! If it is truly a Yoruba centric party then why contest a National election?!
bless you bruv! you are one of few yorubas i like here for your fairness in judgement and objectivity.

The apc is known to propagate violence, disharmony and acrimony between especially the igbos and other ethnic groups. The level of their senseless propaganda is alarming and disheartening, all these to paint igbos in bad light, but their plans will fail. Even if an igbo will be deputy governor in lagos, it will not be foisted on lagosians, it will be achieved through a free and fair election and it is very possible. This is 2014, and not 1950.

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by onatisi(m): 1:07pm On Aug 20, 2014
oduastates:

Whether it is a conspiracy or not ,
PDP is the corrupt and feudal federal government
The corrupt and feudal federal government is PDP
Komi agbaje or whatever he calls himself is Dead on arrival
when he is elected , stand in front of his motorcade and insist that he will not pass .

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Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by 2cato: 1:08pm On Aug 20, 2014
jaso1:

Yoruba sociology believes does not accommodate this senseless suggestion. Evidence was quoted in the post that- during Biafra and when your entire forefathers flee, your property were met intact. Yoruba people need not to raise voice or exchange words with other regions over geographical boundary. As it is not possible for Yoruba to claim native of other state so it is for anybody in Nigeria. When it’s time to sheet the onus will open, nobody informed them to run during Biafra war, and Jonathan can never win election again in Yoruba land which is very clear. Those black legs among us will surely meet their waterloo.
Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Nobody: 1:38pm On Aug 20, 2014
When Goodluck Jonathan, in 2011, openly stated that the Yoruba are a minority in all the Yoruba States,

HE SAID THAT??!!! shocked
Re: Jimi Agbaje And Jonathan's Conditionality by Garrithe1st: 1:39pm On Aug 20, 2014
Sincere9gerian: Congregation of tribal bigots.

Meanwhile, was the author present at the meeting where GEJ advised Agbaje to pick an Igbo deputy? In what other states has GEJ been involved in picking deputy governors? This is how APC goats divide Nigerians like along ethnic lines only to later point accusing fingers in the wrong direction. I'm not surprised that some tribal goats have already adopted the gibberish as a statement of fact.

FOOL, is OduaPathfinder same as APC??

Idiotic PDP Cankerworm...

undecided undecided undecided

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