CityNG:

There's absolutely no way that Jeep is first in anything modern and especially on self diagnosis. So I wait to be educated on that.

Allowing a car that is potentially out of sync shows how backwards the brand still is.

So the car starts in open loop at the risk of having pistons hitting the valves but then shuts off in closed loop.

Brov I never said they where the first.I said amonhst the first.jave U checked the youtube clip O postes on the seld diagnostic?check on toutube yoy will see 98 mosels performing self diagnostics.Thier codes are even more accurate than the HH scanners.U gt 2 trust me on this one.however regarding the none sync allowing issue.this true for most cars or else we wo t havw Jail break ECUs and tune ups we get in the Vanos upgrade

mayor2013: Pls post pix of your engine

Here is d pics

erico2k2:
Brov I never said they where the first.I said amonhst the first.jave U checked the youtube clip O postes on the seld diagnostic?check on toutube yoy will see 98 mosels performing self diagnostics.Thier codes are even more accurate than the HH scanners.U gt 2 trust me on this one.however regarding the none sync allowing issue.this true for most cars or else we wo t havw Jail break ECUs and tune ups we get in the Vanos upgrade

I don't base my education on YouTube clips but prefer to listen and interact with real owners with real experiences. I care more about your experience than anything I can view on YouTube so don't sell yourself short.

Perhaps they got their hands on new technology just because of the brand alliances.

I still stand by my ascertain, Jeep is an antiquated and nonsensical brand that can never lead in any innovation. They make killer of road rigs when you buy one and spend $20k doing upgrades.

We don't jailbreak ECUS, we "tune" them. Show me a tuning software that will override two critical sensors such as the ones that we're talking about?

How many tuning software do you have a direct and personal experience with? I have VAGCOM loaded on my laptop right now and I don't see any parameter to defeat those two sensors. It makes no sense.

Like I said showing their lackluster developmental skills or if the programmers knew they were having the software installed in a vehicle that has a non interference engine design then I can see why they would allow the car to start without those two critical sensors but only in open loop when non sensors are in place.

CityNG:

I don't base my education on YouTube clips but prefer to listen and interact with real owners with real experiences. I care more about your experience than anything I can view on YouTube so don't sell yourself short.

Perhaps they got their hands on new technology just because of the brand alliances.

I still stand by my ascertain, Jeep is an antiquated and nonsensical brand that can never lead in any innovation. They make killer of road rigs when you buy one and spend $20k doing upgrades.

We don't jailbreak ECUS, we "tune" them. Show me a tuning software that will override two critical sensors such as the ones that we're talking about?

How many tuning software do you have a direct and personal experience with? I have VAGCOM loaded on my laptop right now and I don't see any parameter to defeat those two sensors. It makes no sense.

Like I said showing their lackluster developmental skills or if the programmers knew they were having the software installed in a vehicle that has a non interference engine design then I can see why they would allow the car to start without those two critical sensors but only in open loop when non sensors are in place.

Brove I do t think we had a disxo b4 so U wont know.me.anyway.I have a jeep liberty in Nigeria and my wife drives it.I have performed that self diagnostic on it.I even tought my wife how to do it as Im aalways in the uk cos of work.Im also an Engineer so I aint a man frm the street.youtubes are great as I do some myself on DIYs in other forums.Im at work atm so wont be able to go into details.I also have the Bmw N42 has self diagnostic but it aint straight 4ward as the Jeep.I will come to say more when I get home to my laptop.fyi I have owned the 04 jeep for 6 yeara now so I have a few years of xperience.

erico2k2:
Brove I do t think we had a disxo b4 so U wont know.me.anyway.I have a jeep liberty in Nigeria and my wife drives it.I have performed that self diagnostic on it.I even tought my wife how to do it as Im aalways in the uk cos of work.Im also an Engineer so I aint a man frm the street.youtubes are great as I do some myself on DIYs in other forums.Im at work atm so wont be able to go into details.I also have the Bmw N42 has self diagnostic but it aint straight 4ward as the Jeep.I will come to say more when I get home to my laptop.fyi I have owned the 04 jeep for 6 yeara now so I have a few years of xperience.

I have no issues with you, so don't make this personal. I don't need to know you personally to discuss cars with you on Cartalk.

It is my opinion that Jeeps are modern marque not worth their old history, that opinion will never change. Owning cast number of them doesn't prove they are dependable and can actually prove otherwise. I have owned undependable brands that needed parts cars to keep them running with my doggedness.

Your statement that Jeeps are amongst the first is the born of contention and I already admitted that it might be true if they got access to that software via alliance with other brands amongst the family such as Chrysler.

CityNG:

I have no issues with you, so don't make this personal. I don't need to know you personally to discuss cars with you on Cartalk.

It is my opinion that Jeeps are modern marque not worth their old history, that opinion will never change. Owning cast number of them doesn't prove they are dependable and can actually prove otherwise. I have owned undependable brands that needed parts cars to keep them running with my doggedness.

Your statement that Jeeps are amongst the first is the born of contention and I already admitted that it might be true if they got access to that software via alliance with other brands amongst the family such as Chrysler.

Brov chill man.why would I take it personal nahh no way.I have been on her long enough to know better come on.we are having a conversation which one of us would def gain frm.Im not saying the jeep is best.U can never own the best as so.eone would make something else.in my own way.I think cars are bought for a reason as far as it suits that need then U r good to go.I got tjat car 4 me wife cos of height displacement amd the ease of which I can get the original parts from here.I personaly dnt like the SUVs.I preffer the coupe ie BMW M5s.however bad rds in PH wont let you.So brov relax.Im truely not taking it personal.Im jst trying to give the OP some personal xpirience with the car hence the self diagnostic issue.its agreat stuff to k ow so one dnt fall into the hands of quacks.

erico2k2:
Brov chill man.why would I take it personal nahh no way.I have been on her long enough to know better come on.we are having a conversation which one of us would def gain frm.Im not saying the jeep is best.U can never own the best as so.eone would make something else.in my own way.I think cars are bought for a reason as far as it suits that need then U r good to go.I got tjat car 4 me wife cos of height displacement amd the ease of which I can get the original parts from here.I personaly dnt like the SUVs.I preffer the coupe ie BMW M5s.however bad rds in PH wont let you.So brov relax.Im truely not taking it personal.Im jst trying to give the OP some personal xpirience with the car hence the self diagnostic issue.its agreat stuff to k ow so one dnt fall into the hands of quacks.

Sorry no need for me to chill or relax because I'm not uncoiled or unrelaxed

You can say that Jeep has self diagnostics, my responses have been limited to saying they are the first or one of the first (or whatever it is you said).

Just as you are educating folks I am too educating folks.

What people need to do is to buy the product designed for such a purpose, an OBD2 diagnostic tool or find someone that has one. This is the ONLY surefire way for a novice that doesn't want to get taken by an auto shop to decipher an issue that may prompt a CEL.

CityNG:

Sorry no need for me to chill or relax because I'm not uncoiled or unrelaxed

You can say that Jeep has self diagnostics, my responses have been limited to saying they are the first or one of the first (or whatever it is you said).

Just as you are educating folks I am too educating folks.

What people need to do is to buy the product designed for such a purpose, an OBD2 diagnostic tool or find someone that has one. This is the ONLY surefire way for a novice that doesn't want to get taken by an auto shop to decipher an issue that may prompt a CEL.

Ahah Guy you like quarel.yeh true what you said bout the HH scanners.I did.buy the basic OBD11 scanner for wifey so she can use it if Im not there for me to buy parts if need be however I found out the self diagnkstic was more accurate xpecialialy iterm faults .on the other hand the BMW is a whole lot of diff ball game.In my opinion people should know more about their cars ans at least have basic ideas of how thier car work and the general bill of health of the car.My car atm is leaking Oil.I done one seal cleaned it up discovered jts another leak.doing that this wkend hope it atops .And oi.Im getting the 2013 Grand chirokee EU version.its wked

erico2k2:
Ahah Guy you like quarel.yeh true what you said bout the HH scanners.I did.buy the basic OBD11 scanner for wifey so she can use it if Im not there for me to buy parts if need be however I found out the self diagnkstic was more accurate xpecialialy iterm faults .on the other hand the BMW is a whole lot of diff ball game.In my opinion people should know more about their cars ans at least have basic ideas of how thier car work and the general bill of health of the car.My car atm is leaking Oil.I done one seal cleaned it up discovered jts another leak.doing that this wkend hope it atops .And oi.Im getting the 2013 Grand chirokee EU version.its wked

You Sir are the first person in my automotive sphere to make such a statement.

Good luck with that.

PS: Correction. I abhor quarreling but I like discussions and especially on subject matters that are my hobby. Hope you understand the difference.

PPS: Instead of the silly new SHARE button, an IGNORE USER button would have been most beneficial for folks that don't want to engage on discussions to side step each other. IMHO.

CityNG:

You Sir are the first person in my automotive sphere to make such a statement.

Good luck with that.

PS: Correction. I abhor quarreling but I like discussions and especially on subject matters that are my hobby. Hope you understand the difference.

PPS: Instead of the silly new SHARE button, an IGNORE USER button would have been most beneficial for folks that don't want to engage on discussions to side step each other. IMHO.

We learn new stuff every day.

erico2k2:
We learn new stuff every day.

Unfortunately I don't believe that statement you made to be true at all so nothing new learned, at least for me.

You are either not well versed on reading the codes or you bought a code reader that wasn't compatible with your ECU.

Self diagnostics was big for ODB1 vehicles way back in the days.

CityNG:

Unfortunately I don't believe that statement you made to be true at all so nothing new learned, at least for me.

You are either not well versed on reading the codes or you bought a code reader that wasn't compatible with your ECU.

Self diagnostics was big for ODB1 vehicles way back in the days.

I have an 06 318ci. It has a well built self diagnostic.if you could inteprete well.Im not an Auto Mech however the issue of code reasing is open ro learn if irs thier cup of tea.Telle what car U ha e.lets see what self diavnostic it has.go on man.

erico2k2:
I have an 06 318ci. It has a well built self diagnostic.if you could inteprete well.Im not an Auto Mech however the issue of code reasing is open ro learn if irs thier cup of tea.Telle what car U ha e.lets see what self diavnostic it has.go on man.

Yes some modern cars like almost all BMWs have an onboard dispay communication system that will tell you of issues, they also have OBD2 port and specific software that can be used to get vastly more important error codes than any self test you can do in it.

It;s one thing to own an impressive car like you have, it's another thing to be an aficionado of BMWs.

Sir, I've been owning BMWS since the early 80's. I've owned models you have never seen nor aware of since you seem to be someone that write a check at a dealership instead of reaserching marques. I've owned BMW 1600, 1602, 2002, Bavaria, 530, 528, 535, 320i, 3251, 325iS, 740iL many of these cars i owned multiple.

Go to my site [url]QuickSilverCars.VillageHeadMaster.Com[/url] to see a very small sample of over 250 cars that I've owned - all documented. She shares the stable with classics (that's what I like to drive) like 60's Mercedes and 60's Austin Minis.

My current daily driver is a 2009 VW Jetta, I use VAGCOM from RossTech to make changes to the software (not jailbreak) when necessary. I will never ever say amongst professional autoist that my onboard self diag is better than this software, it is just ridiculous.

Hmmm mm

CityNG:

Yes some modern cars like almost all BMWs have an onboard dispay communication system that will tell you of issues, they also have OBD2 port and specific software that can be used to get vastly more important error codes than any self test you can do in it.

It;s one thing to own an impressive car like you have, it's another thing to be an aficionado of BMWs.

Sir, I've been owning BMWS since the early 80's. I've owned models you have never seen nor aware of since you seem to be someone that write a check at a dealership instead of reaserching marques. I've owned BMW 1600, 1602, 2002, Bavaria, 530, 528, 535, 320i, 3251, 325iS, 740iL many of these cars i owned multiple.

Go to my site [url]QuickSilverCars.VillageHeadMaster.Com[/url] to see a very small sample of over 250 cars that I've owned - all documented. She shares the stable with classics (that's what I like to drive) like 60's Mercedes and 60's Austin Minis.

My current daily driver is a 2009 VW Jetta, I use VAGCOM from RossTech to make changes to the software (not jailbreak) when necessary. I will never ever say amongst professional autoist that my onboard self diag is better than this software, it is just ridiculous.

Dont worry I will soon B home and ready for U.my fone aint doing me much justification i typing.80s lol I was in school then bro how Old do U take me to be?lol I bougjt my first car 2000.

erico2k2:
Dont worry I will soon B home and ready for U.my fone aint doing me much justification i typing.80s lol I was in school then bro how Old do U take me to be?lol I bougjt my first car 2000.

It's not bragging but facts. One of my friends here is only 30 years old and has owned over 1,000 vehicles.

It doesn't matter what year you left school or otherwise when we're talking about cars. It's experience that counts.

And please don't even bring up age that will be a non sequitur. People younger and older have down less or more.

Just stop saying that your onboard self diagnostics is better than a dedicated OBD2 software.

CityNG:

It's not bragging but facts. One of my friends here is only 30 years old and has owned over 1,000 vehicles.

It doesn't matter what year you left school or otherwise when we're talking about cars. It's experience that counts.

And please don't even bring up age that will be a non sequitur. People younger and older have down less or more.

Just stop saying that your onboard self diagnostics is better than a dedicated OBD2 software.

I see you got a bit rush attitude, you don't read and digest what people say B4 U respond,if you check I never stated that on-board diagnostic was better than dedicated OBD2 software, I only said in some instance.How could it be ?if you check one of my earlier post, I was having a discos how specialist OBD2 scanner are only available to major dealers especially EU cars.I actualy say what I have done and been through, logically if I bought my first car in 2000, it would be more than likely I would have had a car each year if Im very rich, that limits me to 14 cars right?mayB U guys in the US got diff thing going

CityNG:

Yes some modern cars like almost all BMWs have an onboard dispay communication system that will tell you of issues, they also have OBD2 port and specific software that can be used to get vastly more important error codes than any self test you can do in it.

It;s one thing to own an impressive car like you have, it's another thing to be an aficionado of BMWs.

Sir, I've been owning BMWS since the early 80's. I've owned models you have never seen nor aware of since you seem to be someone that write a check at a dealership instead of reaserching marques. I've owned BMW 1600, 1602, 2002, Bavaria, 530, 528, 535, 320i, 3251, 325iS, 740iL many of these cars i owned multiple.

Go to my site [url]QuickSilverCars.VillageHeadMaster.Com[/url] to see a very small sample of over 250 cars that I've owned - all documented. She shares the stable with classics (that's what I like to drive) like 60's Mercedes and 60's Austin Minis.

My current daily driver is a 2009 VW Jetta, I use VAGCOM from RossTech to make changes to the software (not jailbreak) when necessary. I will never ever say amongst professional autoist that my onboard self diag is better than this software, it is just ridiculous.

My respect for you Sir keeps increasing with each passing day. Your love and knowledge about cars is an asset i admire in you.

erico2k2:
I see you got a bit rush attitude, you don't read and digest what people say B4 U respond,if you check I never stated that on-board diagnostic was better than dedicated OBD2 software, I only said in some instance.How could it be ?if you check one of my earlier post, I was having a discos how specialist OBD2 scanner are only available to major dealers especially EU cars.I actualy say what I have done and been through, logically if I bought my first car in 2000, it would be more than likely I would have had a car each year if Im very rich, that limits me to 14 cars right?mayB U guys in the US got diff thing going

It's okay it's your opinion and you;re entitled to one.

Unless I go along with your assbackwards thought process then everything under I'll be suffering from every single malady under the sun.

Don't worry I can take name callings, my age affords me that ability.

You don't love cars, to you cars are something you drive and boast about (like in I have a 2006 BMW), if you're a true autoist then there's nothing stopping you from buying and selling 10 cars a week if you want. Expose yourself to the fact that others like cars like someone else may like shoes and ties.

OBD2 scanners are a dime a dozen on eBay, some even have bluetooth that will connect to your phone or computer.

By the way, if you think you can insult me, just give it a rest dude. I'm immune.

PS: And I just knew you'll bring up age and use it as a crutch. You guys never cease to amaze me. Before I left Nigeria at the age of 18 I've already owned over 10 cars including motorcycles. Just say that you have no interest in cars other than them being a utilitarian means of transportation and stop saying nonsense like onboard self diagnostic is better than a dedicated OBD2 scanner.

Pic: So tell me how your onboard self diag tool is better than this.

uboma:

My respect for you Sir keeps increasing with each passing day. Your love and knowledge about cars is an asset i admire in you.

Thank you Sir. I've been privileged to have friends that are way far more knowledgeable than me who allow me to drink from their fountain of knowledge.

I learn quite a bit on here too. I mean I was having a discussion with a friend here in the US. He was telling me that a Camry engine will never work in a Freelander

Pic is the garage of one of my friends, this is how I want to be in Nigeria one day. Enough about the new cars, lets classicalise Nigeria.

CityNG:

It's okay it's your opinion and you;re entitled to one.

Unless I go along with your assbackwards thought process then everything under I'll be suffering from every single malady under the sun.

Don't worry I can take name callings, my age affords me that ability.

You don't love cars, to you cars are something you drive and boast about (like in I have a 2006 BMW), if you're a true autoist then there's nothing stopping you from buying and selling 10 cars a week if you want. Expose yourself to the fact that others like cars like someone else may like shoes and ties.

OBD2 scanners are a dime a dozen on eBay, some even have bluetooth that will connect to your phone or computer.

By the way, if you think you can insult me, just give it a rest dude. I'm immune.

PS: And I just knew you'll bring up age and use it as a crutch. You guys never cease to amaze me. Before I left Nigeria at the age of 18 I've already owned over 10 cars including motorcycles. Just say that you have no interest in cars other than them being a utilitarian means of transportation and stop saying nonsense like onboard self diagnostic is better than a dedicated OBD2 scanner.

At this point I will assume you are bent on arguments rather than discussion, I dont deal insults and names calling as I wont learn nothing frm it and its meant 4 low life people,I dont think you have spoken to me on here B4,there is diff btween buying to use and buying to sell,I have lost counts of how many cars I have sold in the past, I have even sold few here,when I mentioned the car i drive it was not meant to be a measure of showing off.Now let me repeat,I never said On-board are better than HH scanners,I sell them in my shop in PH, try and read what is posted b4 reacting seem to defile the third law of motion.Now talking bout boasting, at 18 aint you meant to be a student?you bought more than 10 cars then yeh? thats great in akpos's voice, *We nor fit carry last*If you check my previous Post, U will know I love cars,anyway, I know when to take my leave out of discussion, let me concentrate on the OP Instead.

CityNG:

Thank you Sir. I've been privileged to have friends that are way far more knowledgeable than me who allow me to drink from their fountain of knowledge.

I learn quite a bit on here too. I mean I was having a discussion with a friend here in the US. He was telling me that a Camry engine will never work in a Freelander

Pic is the garage of one of my friends, this is how I want to be in Nigeria one day. Enough about the new cars, lets classicalise Nigeria.

I will love to tap from your fountian of knowledge too just as i am tapping from Seina, youngboss and Sultan.

Sorry to derail a little, please what brand of scanning tool will you recommend for my Bimmer 520i '98 model?

erico2k2:
At this point I will assume you are bent on arguments rather than discussion, I dont deal insults and names calling as I wont learn nothing frm it and its meant 4 low life people,I dont think you have spoken to me on here B4,there is diff btween buying to use and buying to sell,I have lost counts of how many cars I have sold in the past, I have even sold few here,when I mentioned the car i drive it was not meant to be a measure of showing off.Now let me repeat,I never said On-board are better than HH scanners,I sell them in my shop in PH, try and read what is posted b4 reacting seem to defile the third law of motion.Now talking bout boasting, at 18 aint you meant to be a student?you bought more than 10 cars then yeh? thats great in akpos's voice, *We nor fit carry last*If you check my previous Post, U will know I love cars,anyway, I know when to take my leave out of discussion, let me concentrate on the OP Instead.

Good, I get you.

You'll rather put your head back into the sand instead of getting educated.

Good move.

Unfortunately I don't have to look at any old posts of yours, this opinion of yours that onboard self diagnostic is better than a dedicated software already tells me all I need to know about you.

The days of shade tree mechanic repairs are over on modern cars. I just pity the envetual owners of your preowned vehicles. God dey sha.

Your car is a drive by wire so you can do a relearn. But now the relearn process would be made possible depending on the type of scan tool you use

@ city NG leave that man alone. I had to read through all. And I had to laugh all through his arguments. Same way he said dealership scanners ain't available to us. And i almst asked myslef aint he black?. Wonder where the "us" came from. All he does on this forum is to flex his muscles

CityNG:

Good, I get you.

You'll rather put your head back into the sand instead of getting educated.

Good move.

Unfortunately I don't have to look at any old posts of yours, this opinion of yours that onboard self diagnostic is better than a dedicated software already tells me all I need to know about you.

The days of shade tree mechanic repairs are over on modern cars. I just pity the envetual owners of your preowned vehicles. God dey sha.

Guy you are funny, all these gra gra o n here bout selling thousands of car Im struggling to see your sales of cars

mayor2013: @ city NG leave that man alone. I had to read through all. And I had to laugh all through his arguments. Same way he said dealership scanners ain't available to us. And i almst asked myslef aint he black?. Wonder where the "us" came from. All he does on this forum is to flex his muscles

As for U I still retain what I said, check CityNg's Scanner you will see his does what most Dealership scanners does, go fru the page he posted regarding his OBD2 software bearing in mind its not even a Hand Held.And you are here talking about me when you made a seen bout OBD3 hand held? talking bout flexing muscles

@OP,
I would not say it will be easy but you can send an email to jeep.com customer service with your VIN and ask if there is a way for you to buy new keys.you will not be the first person oversees missing a key but you will need 3 keys so that in case you lose one you can buy a blank an reprogram yourself as back up. And that is only if you start the car and it shuts down with the key light blinking on dash otherwise disconnect battery overnight and try again

erico2k2:
Guy you are funny, all these gra gra o n here bout selling thousands of car Im struggling to see your sales of cars

Quote on here where I once said I sold thousands of cars and I'll delete my Nairaland account immediately.

You don't have to come up with lies to try to bolster your position.

My existence doesn't depend on the sales of cars. You're probably looking at my signature and getting yourself all confused.

mayor2013: @ city NG leave that man alone. I had to read through all. And I had to laugh all through his arguments. Same way he said dealership scanners ain't available to us. And i almst asked myslef aint he black?. Wonder where the "us" came from. All he does on this forum is to flex his muscles

Abi o.

I don't understand why people keep on putting Nigeria down. Is this not the same Nigeria I was in 3 weeks ago that I saw Ferrari, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Rovers, Porsches?

Abi dem no dey service dem for Nigeria?

Oh boy

Here we go again humility is my favorite word right now

There is no point trying to let you comprehend. City NG said the same as I did earlier. OMG!! You reside in Nigeria or uk be it whatever place and you have never heard of obd3 diagnostic tools