Liveair:

Like I said earlier, there is a difference between when the bible says THE LORD and THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD or MANIFESTED PRESENCE. His presence is a manifestation which is seen as Clouds, Fire and Thunder.

Ezekiel and Daniel saw THE LORD on his throne!
His form, his hair, his clothing, his feet were seen. In the cases of the Israelites you mentioned, they saw his MANIFESTED PRESENCE.
Ezekiel and Daniel never said God appeared IN ...

Num 12:5 which you sited states that God descended IN THE PILLAR OF CLOUD...
Why do you think it didn't simply say GOD DESCENDED? The use of the preposition IN should make it clear that its his manifested presence.

Exo 19 & 24 you sited even makes it easier to see. It says THE GLORY of the Lord...fire. That is clear enough.

Now, read Exo 33:14;
"and he said, My PRESENCE shall go with thee..."
You can now see clearly that God told Moses that his presence shall go with them.

alexleo:

So you are separating the presence of God from God himself? Why do you think so?

Liveair:

Wow! Its not me bro, am explaining to you what your bible says. That's why I quoted those passages for you to see the difference.
Biblically, God never has to leave his throne but can have his manifested presence or glory where he pleases.

Isaiah 63:9;
"In all their affliction he was afflicted, and THE ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE saved them..."

alexleo:

There were places angels carried out assignments for God. Of course that's their duty. But the places I quoted shows it was God that manifested himself in that form. God has the power to manifest himself in whichever way he wants and feels ok for whatever message he wants to deliver. We can't describe God enough. Even Ezekiel couldn't give a definite description of him.

Now back to your OP. I ask- can you destroy yourself? I mean can you wipe yourself from the surface of the earth?

Liveair:

Hahaha, I thought I was doing the questioning. Anyway, yes, people have killed, destroyed and obliterated themselves; suicide bombers are doing so.
But again, I am not Omnipotent.

alexleo:

For you to destroy yourself it takes something that can destroy you to do that. What is that thing that can destroy God which he will have to employ just like in the case of the suicide bomber to destroy himself(wipe himself out of existence)?

Liveair:

Maybe his Almighty Power. Don't you think so?

Liveair:

Maybe his Almighty Power. Don't you think so?

alexleo: ... so he CAN'T call himself out of existence. He wasn't created so he CAN'T uncreate himself.

honourhim:

Nope.

Liveair:

So how is he Omnipotent?

Liveair:

Its not about Believing or Not. You have to prove your point by siting your biblical reference.
Why I said most christians will disagree with you is that Jesus said that he and the Father are one. He also said to his followers that he who has seen him has seen the Father. See John 10:30.

alexleo:

How is he not?

What makes you a winner? Is it your ability to lose or your ability to win?

Liveair:

You see, you earlier said "...HE CAN'T UNCREATE HIMSELF 'cos he did not create himself.

Check the meaning of Omnipotent.

bambeolumide: I think the answer is pregnant.
But the question seems to be as if someone is trying to disput the GOD of creation. It can never be done because no one created him.
So "THE SOURCE OF LIFE CANNEVER BE VANISHED."
I think you are gaining some senses now.
So please the question seems as if: "satan CLAIMED TO TAKE OVER GOD'S THRONE"
I think the thought seems as if one want to start rebelling against God.
Stop trying to know the full mystry of God when attempting to know it in the bad lite.
Please quit the thoughts.
AMEN

alexleo:

You said he should use his almighty power to wipe himself out. How possible is that. The suicide bomber you gave as an example made use of a more destructive power. What is that power that is beyond the almighty power of God? Thats the only power that can wipe him out.

And yes, God was not created that's why he has no beginning and no end. Creation involves planning and takes a process but God did not come to be through this. His nature did not pass through creation. He is not a product of creation. So the issue of uncreating himself does note even arise. You ddont uncreate what was not created. The scripture never told us he was created or he evolved through a process. He has been there even before time, days and dates came into existence.

Again the nature of God is an infinite nature, a never-dying nature so the issue of him wiping himself out is just not there.

Liveair:

If the answer is pregnant, then mid-wife it. If you have the answer then tell us.
We developed brains so we can use them to reason. Since you know the full "mystery" of God in "good light", please tell us;
Can the Omnipotent God put himself out of existence?

asalimpo:

why did you pose this question,in the first place?

Was it to learn and be educated or just for the fun of inciting dry debate?

Liveair:

Answering question with questions!
If you have no answer just read and learn.

Liveair:

Answering question with questions!
If you have no answer just read and learn.

asalimpo:

why did you pose this question,in the first place?

Was it to learn and be educated or just for the fun of inciting dry debate?

asalimpo:
only a fool will rush to respond to ur incisive question without discerning your motive - which is apparent .
What hav u learnt so far? Probably preparing ur next illogical question for ur next thread. *anything to get christians chattering and ur thread count rising. No learning occuring. No impact just debate*.

Liveair:

My point; If there is something he cannot do, according to you, he can't put himself out of existence, how is he Omnipotent.
Actually, you have already answered the question.

alexleo:

Such questions are not bad if the questioner is not doing it with the intention to abuse God. Though in his own case i cant say his true intentions for sure.
Nevertheless, I like attending to his thread because such questions as this makes you reason far and study the scripture more. I may not agree with some of his submissions but at the end of the day my understanding of God becomes clearer and my faith in him grows stronger.

Feel free to make input bro. Dont see it as a debate or a fight rather see it as a discussion with a friend. Thats the way i see it. I just see it that we are rubbing minds together. Thats all. It doesnt mean that we must agree.

asalimpo:

good to diplomatic. But d let d op speak for himself. From all intent this is nothing but a busy bee buzzg around tryg to strt somthg with an unreasonable post.
There is such a one as the scorner and cynic. And you shud discern who u dealing with bf u strt pourg answers else you'll b doing d equivalent of wasting ur pearls on swines.
Jesus spoke with nicodemus @ night - nicodemus asked from a different motive.
For others, he ignored their questions or turned it around on them. because they werent askg to know but to condemn or entrap.
Save ur diplomacy with cynics like this op and his ilks. Be like Jesus, doodle on d ground or pay them back in same coin.

asalimpo:
only a fool will rush to respond to ur incisive question without discerning your motive - which is apparent .
What hav u learnt so far? Probably preparing ur next illogical question for ur next thread. *anything to get christians chattering and ur thread count rising. No learning occuring. No impact just debate*.

alexleo:

And i ask you, what makes you a winner? Is it your ability to lose or to win? How does God extinguishing himself from existence make him omnipotent? God's omnipotent nature is about his unlimited power over his creation not his power to extinguish himself. As for himself, he has said it in Malachi 3;6- I am the Lord, I change not.

He cant change his infinite nature, his never-dying-nature. It is the flesh that is created to die and be extinguished. The spirit (which is the undying part of man also lives on even when the flesh is dead). God is a spirit. Spirits can be tormented but they cant die. In the scripture you ll hear some evil spirit in a person asking Jesus- why have you come to torment us?

Liveair:

Good. This is another angle to it.
Does this mean he is only Omnipotent with regards to his recorded creation and not concerning himself?

Liveair:

So alexleo, josh65 and Co are all fools to have contributed?
Why are you getting worked up for nothing?
Has anybody here told you he/she was incited?

By the way, am too old for you and your group of "First to comment", "thread count rising", etc friends.

Those contributing are learning, if you are not, try harder.

asalimpo: tryg to convince you (when he knows ur motive is cynical and his effort is futile)!

alexleo:

His omnipotency is what makes him indestructible. It is that unlimited power that makes him infinite, unchangeable therefore cannot be extinguished. If God is finite just like you and i physically. If he can be destroyed then he cant be omnipotent. Thats why i said its your ability to win that makes you a winner.