Abdulsalam20: I POSTED IT FOR THE CHRISTIANS WHO ALWAYS BLAME MUSLIMS FOR PRAYING SOLATWHERE AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THEIR BIBLE BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE LOST LOOK AT THE WAY THEY ARE PRAYING DANCING AS IF THEY ARE IN CLUB WOMEN SINGING IN CHURCH WHEN THEY ARE COMMANDED TO DESIST ROM IT
THE BIBLE SAID WOMEN SHOULD NOT TALK IN
CHURCH U PEOPLE WENT TO ORGANISE CHOIR EVEN NOW
WOMEN ARE NOW PASTORS( - I Corinthians 14:34-35: Let
your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not
permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be
under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn
any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a
shame for women to speak in the church.
The law does not forbid anyone to dance in the church, women and men alike. Look at the way king David danced before God, will u conclude he was dancing like someone in the club? Of course because that was the way he wanted to praise his God. About women being pastors, truthfully am against that cos a woman has no right to pray for any man. But singing in a choir is no sin, its a gift.

BIBLE SAY WOMEN SHOULD COVER THEIR HEAD BUT THEY NEVER LISTEN THEY FOLOW IT HALF WAY U WILL SEE A LADY PUTTING ON CAP TO CHURCH AND HER HAIR IS PARTLY SHOWING
( 1 Corinthians 11:5, says that “Every woman who
prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her
head, for that is one and the same as if her head were
shaved) WHEN AREGBESHOLA RAISED THE ISSUE OF
COVERING HEAD IN OSUN CAN OPPOSE IT WHAT AN ANTI
CHRIST i know u will said it is only when they want topray
pls dont children pray in school on assembly ground.....dont
they pray before eating?
Am happy that u raised this cos this is one mistake that modern churches make nowadays. They allow women with uncovered hair into the churches. Some say that they fixed weavons and already covering their hairs, putting aside the fact that covering their hair is a sign of humbleness before God. No matter any adornment made on the hair with weavons, attachment etc. One should humble herself before God by covering it. But the idea of covering one's hair is only when you want to appear before God is his presence ie church, seminars, crusades etc. Cause the bible also states that the hair is the woman
's pride. and also pray without ceasing.
JESUS SAY DONT ACCEPT INTEREST THEY NEVER LISTEN
Exodus
22:25 “If thou lend money to any of my people with thee that
is poor, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall
ye lay upon him interest.” Similar message is also repeated
in the Book of Deuteronomy: Deuteronomy 23:19 "Thou shalt
not lend upon interest to thy brother; interest of money,
interest of victuals, interest of anything that is lent upon
interest
Yes, dat was written in the OT. And it is morally wrong and cruel for someone to lend to his brother or to the poor with interest. So it also stands till date. But for someone that has a business like the banks etc lending to strangers are just doing their business. But if u v money, and I come to u as a less privilege and u add interest, bro na pure wickedness.
THE WORST OF ALL JESUS SAY GOD IS ONE THEY SAID GOD IS 3 Jesus rejected to be called good. Mark 10:8 states: “And
Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none
good but one, that is, God.” When Jesus spoke of God, he
referred to Him as: "My Father and your Father, and to My
God and your God." (John 20:17)
Jesus never said “I am God; worship me” Rather He (Jesus
told) people to worship God alone, not himself or three gods
in Trinity. And he also worshipped God: “Thou shalt worship
the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
And Jesus Christ never worshipped himself, but rather he
worshipped God and instructed men to worship Him alone.
He said in Luke 4:8 that: “For it is written, Thou shalt worship
the Lord thy God, and him only shalt you serve.” (Mathew
4:10) Mark 12:29 reads: “And Jesus answered him, The first
of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God
is one Lord” See also Deut. 4:35 which says “the LORD he is
God; there is THERE IS NONE BESIDE HIM.”
Exodus 34:14 says: “For thou shalt worship no other god: for
the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God”.
Jesus also said, I am in the father and the father is in me. Trinity is not saying that there are three gods but God in 3 persons. In order to be saved, the bible said' believe in your heart that Jesus is lord and confess with your mouth that God raised him from death and you shall be save. The bible never mentioned that Jesus is a sepaate God but that he is the only way to the only God.
AND THE WORST OF ALL JESUS PROPHESISE ABOUT MUHAMMAD THEY NEVER FOLLOW HIM

PROPHET MUHAMMAD (pbuh) IN THE BIBLE
by Dr. Zakir Naik
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:
The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet,
whom they
find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the
Gospel".
1. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF
DEUTERONOMY:
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy
chapter 18 verse 18:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like
unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he
shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh)
because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh)
was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses
(pbuh)
was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.
If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be
fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel,
Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.
However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses
(pbuh):
i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was
born miraculously without any male intervention.
[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]
ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh)
according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.
iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised
up
alive. (4:157-158)
Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses
(pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two
sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the
descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the
descendants of Isaac (pbuh).
Words in the mouth:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever
revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them
verbatim.
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like
unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall
speak unto them all that I shall command him."
[Deuteronomy 18:18]
iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they
could
inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My
kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).
v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their
lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his
own, but his own received him not."
iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their
people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring
any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18) .
2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will
require it of him."
You can claim the fact that Moses was referring to mohammad as the prophet cos the truth is that I don't know and don't do blind arguments. But one thing I know for sure is that Jesus Christ did not come as a prophet but as a messiah, the only son of God that will save mankind. Prophesied by even enoch the great grand father of Noah.
3. Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:
It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying,
Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by
saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned" .
4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old
testament:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the
Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
" Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa
Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem ."
"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is
my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."
In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im
is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they
have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in
Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet
present.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:
Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of
Israel! I
am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law
(which
came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to
come
after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to
them
with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding
Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold
good for
the Christians.
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another
Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you
from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I
go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".
"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or
"the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26,
and
16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English
translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means
advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh)
actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a
mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these
prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh)
departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during
the
time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again
when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this
prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).
This is so blind, do u have a bible? Yes, even Jesus was on earth before Abraham, so why won't the holy spirit be before John the baptist. Holy spirit was only sent into the hands of men after the death and departure of Jesus. From Acts of the apostles, youyou will learn more about the holy spirit as the comforter, how did mohammed even come into this? The bible even recorded the first arrival of the holy spirit as the comforter to the apostles on the day of pentecost.
4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear
them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak
of
himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to
none
other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
NOTE : All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King
James
Version.
Reference: http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/
index.htm

Rilwayne001:

You are ignorant, and i dont have to waste my time with you, i asked some questions on the number (1) page of this thrread, please address them if you want me to take you serious

Rilwayne001: ^^
I don't have time for you right now.

Maybe i will reply your posts whenever i have the time for arguement. But right now you keep spewing your ish.

Later.

BossTtdiamonds:

I am not surprised.. Your usual.. Act..
Once you're cornered..you look for a way out..

The only thin' is you do it gormlessly...

Yeah!.. I know..you dont talk to NL nitwits...
Another part of your dumb strategy to run away..

Mstcheeeeeeewwwwwwwww...

Abdulsalam20: YOU THESE ANTICHRIST WHO CALL URSELF CHRISTIAN YOU NO DEY TIRE AFTER GLARING EVIDENCES PROVIDED FOR U.........INDEED YOU ARE THE MISGUIDED ONES.........JUST ACCEPT THE FACT JESUS IS A MUSLIM

logicboy01:

Who told you isrealite/jews are God's people? Is your God a racist?

logicboy01:
Who told you that biblical Isreal was a nation? A desert people divided into tribes? The original bible never used the word "nation". Saul, Moses etc were not defending a nation.

logicboy01:
You have no objectivity when it comes to your religion. War is only justified in self defence. Slaughtering people for no other reason is genocide.

logicboy01:
Please, do not justify genocide in the bible....even modern Jews avoid those parts of the bible

RikoduoSennin:

I have explained earlier why God chose only one Nation over others in the Past ( to ensure is son being born into a nation which is directly associate with him and worship only him).

After Jesus death, Salvation was to the Jews first then to ALL Nation.
God is not partial nor a racist.




I can assure you they are a Nation ; they have kings, rulers, priests and share common military forces, how else do you define a Nation today.

Tribes? How many do will have in Nigeria today? Exodus 19:6 " and ye shall be unto me a KINGDOM of priests and an Holy NATION. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Isreal."

So what were Moses, Saul etc were defending? Their family, tribe or a Nation comprising of different tribes?.



Really? Conflict is in the nature of Man. It is commonly believed that "to attack is the BEST form of defence".
Is there a reason to War? Scientist believe in Survival of the fittest, the strong should prevail, why expect human's not to fight conflict then? If we are all products of evolution, why is genocide veiwed as wrong (Moral standard?) After all humans are animals, and most animals kill one another everyday without any moral expectation placed on them?

**How is that for objectivity**



You call it Genocide, I call it war (Nations defending their territory and the life of their citizens), sometimes divine justice/punishment for the wicked. Its a matter of opinion. Modern jews has as much right as any Christian in the world, they are not special anymore. Their views about the bible doesn't matter, only God's truth about it does- which is All scriptures is inspired and beneficial....

MessiRonaldo007:



Hitler also thought that white Germans were God's chosen people.

You sir, have closed your eyes to the truth. There is genocide in the bible whether you like it or not.

Can you explain why God flooded the earth in Noah's time and how that is not genocide? God could harden the heart of Pharoah but coldnt soften the hearts of the people around Noah.

God commanded the isrealites to go to another people's land and take it. The promised land.

Abdulsalam20: YOU THESE ANTICHRIST WHO CALL URSELF CHRISTIAN YOU NO DEY TIRE AFTER GLARING EVIDENCES PROVIDED FOR U.........INDEED YOU ARE THE MISGUIDED ONES.........JUST ACCEPT THE FACT JESUS IS A MUSLIM

sciyhf:

I promise to accept that fact if u explain this to me...
Who is Jesus to you? A prophet or the messiah
Do u believe that he died for ur sins too, and that you can only be saved through him?

Cos the Jesus I know was born into a Jewish family and Islamic religion, I believed started with the call of mohammad...pls correct me if am wrong

MessiRonaldo007:



Hitler also thought that white Germans were God's chosen people.

MessiRonaldo007:
You sir, have closed your eyes to the truth. There is genocide in the bible whether you like it or not.

MessiRonaldo007:
Can you explain why God flooded the earth in Noah's time and how that is not genocide? God could harden the heart of Pharoah but coldnt soften the hearts of the people around Noah.

MessiRonaldo007:
God commanded the isrealites to go to another people's land and take it. The promised land.

manmacho: Rilwani

can you please let us no where ALLAH WAS during the mayhem you claim happened in the Old testament.

since it is obvious that it was not Allah that called them to kill


WHERE WAS ALLAH SINCE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE JEWISH GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

SECONDLY,

WHAT KORANIC ACCOUNT DO YOU HAVE ABOUT ALLAH DURING THE OLD TESTAMENT DAYS

WAS HE PART OF THE STORY OF THE ISRAELITE OR IN ARABIA WHERE WAS HE

arsenalwenger: Edit: blood suckin' Muham MAD (peace be upon me).

sciyhf:

[s] Pls o, nairalanders, help me read my post and his and see who is ignorant here. [/s] The worst of it is thta you don't even have any vivid point so everyone cud learn.

sciyhf: But their is an important question I will like to answer

sciyhf: the Jewish God is not different but the teaching

sciyhf: Christianity preaches more of peace and love. Chritsianity means Christ like, and Christ himself stated that it is not all who calls on his name ie chritians that will be savedn but does that are born again. This is for ur comment about the 5000sect or whatever… .

sciyhf: Pls, if this is the question you are referring to, I will answer them.

sciyhf: The OT is of course part of the bible inspired by God, but the only difference is that the OT taught a kind of righteousness called righteousness by law

sciyhf: while the NT taught righteousness by faith through Jesus Christ.

sciyhf: This by no means contradicts with the laws of the OT cos it is written that none of those laws will pass away unfulfilled.

sciyhf: Jesus alos did not abolish the laws at all, rather he manifestest to fulfil thoase laws and die as an atonement for our sins, so that whosoever that will
believe in him will gain eternal life.

sciyhf: I don't know if this answers your question, but the NT does not condemn the law, rather it made it easier by writting it in our hearts

BossTtdiamonds:

I am not surprised.. Your usual.. Act..
Once you're cornered..you look for a way out..

The only thin' is you do it gormlessly...

Yeah!.. I know..you dont talk to NL nitwits...
Another part of your dumb strategy to run away..

Mstcheeeeeeewwwwwwwww...

Rilwayne001:

With the way you've been following me up and down here on Nairanland, i guess you want to engage me in a debate.

Therefore, lets talk about "Whether Jesus Died for our sins"

Are you ready

BossTtdiamonds:

Currently Busy....really really busy...

Once I'm free I'll be back..

Rilwayne001:

am not jobless as well

Rilwayne001: Seems i am less busy today


Oh! really upon all my explanations in the OP, with those questions i asked in page (1) that none of you could provide a valid answer to?

Your delusions is something else




I expected you to address my questions one after the other, you cant just pick one of them and say it is important, i have my reason for asking those questions, i see no reason why you should answer one of them and believe that you've made your contributions. Therefore please refer back to them in other for me to take you serious as i claimed earlier.
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Of course u wouldn't see any reason cos ur questions were so unreasonable . I only answered the one that u misunderstood, others asre baseless and unreasonable.

Why is the teaching different if they worship the same God

U claim that Allah is the same God as the God of Jesus, why is his own teaching different and full of violence?


Now this is the most weird assertion i have ever read from a xtian here on Nairaland. To summarize you comment @bolded, you said:

* Not all the 5000sect will enter heaven.
* Jesus said not all those who call on him will enter heaven.
* Those that are born again.

Now my question.

1) How are you sure that your denomination will make heaven while other 4999 will burn in hell?

2) How are you sure you will go to heaven despite calling on jesus? been the fact that he said not all those whi call on him will make heaven

3) All these pastors we have today are they born again?, can an unrighteouss pastor lead a righteouss member? how are you sure that your pastor is born again?

4) Bible say 144000people (saints) will make heaven, how are you sure you will be among thrm?

Rilwayne001:
You used "them" but you only answered one of them...is it that you dont know what to say again?.

SMDH.




Why is it so?

And i can prove to you here that "There is NO WAY to talk away the incontrovertible FACT that Jesus Taught that the attainment of ETERNAL LIFE is through KEEPING THE LAW OF GOD BY MOSES".

It was paul who bastadize the teaching of jesus.

I will like to educate you on this only if you are ready to learn.



SMDH.

Please show me a place where jesus teaches that you can only attain righteousness through faith.

Please am waiting



miss. you just contradicted paul here

Romans 3:27,28 Where is boasting then? It is excluded, By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the Law .

Here he said.

* You cannot be justify by the OT law
* you cannot be justify by your work.

except by faith alone .. please tell me where jesus teaches the italized.




Can you please elucidate this^^ by explaining jesus views and assertion about it.


No it does not.