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Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 7:34am On Oct 01, 2014 |
atbu1983: why didn't you continue reading verse 28 which is a continuation of the same Scripture so that you will have a proper understanding? this is what they do in Nigerian churches, they will quote only one or two verses and base their explanation on it without understanding the whole chapter. It is wrong. A lot of people have believed their pastors (prominent pastors) and remain in suffering. Hebrews 10:28 says He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: so it's obvious that the fearful expectation of furry fire Paul meant there is the consequence of breaking the law of moses, the 10 commandments. remember,breaking the law of moses is what we know as sin.here on earth ,but to God it is not like that because God is a spirit what God know as sin by virture of the fact that Christ came to die is the refusal to believe that Jesus is the Messiah which we christians have believed already the law for example says thou shall not kill if you kill,the consequence is the vedict of the land which says you will be killed too,your salvation will not save you. faith without works is death. whether you are Christian or Muslim or whatever, we are all subjected under this law which apply only in this physical life but in the spiritual realm, it is another thing entirely. we are justified by faith without these laws that means, our justification lies entirely in the spiritual realm have you seen heaven before? no because, heaven is spirit realm but we believe and know that we are already there.by faith so, i put it to you that [quoting you ]Hebrew 10. 26 to 27 ESV For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. this scripture is one and the same thing as faith without works is dead. (which justification lies only in this physical life, empowered by the law of moses, the 10 commandments, which is not enough to judge christians to loose their salvation or eternal life ) show me a place in the bible that says when a Christian commit sin willfully he will loose salvation |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 10:26am On Oct 01, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: those who fail to obey his word. whether in or outside.paul was the writer of thessolonian letter...you do agree... Now from your submission... which word did they fail to obey? in order words, you submit that those who will be destroyed will be those WHO fail to obey His words which according to paul will be WORD OF HIS GRACE which he encouraged believers in Acts of the Apostles. Acts 20:32 Thus in order words, if you fail to keep to the Word of His Grace... you will be destroyed... you are accenting! 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 9:36pm On Oct 01, 2014 |
atbu1983:Asked to bring up a passage that shows a believer can lose salvation, you brought this up! Is this a joke? This passage shows that the believer is not yet perfect, far from it , that there is virtually no sin the believer is not capable of falling into, if he is not wary. It does not say the man had lost his salvation even though the man's sin was not one off, it was continuous (he had her living with him or he with her). This passage does not say or teach loss of salvation which would have been so easy to do here. Of course Paul was angry with the man and reasonably so because his behaviour fell short of what was expected of a saved man. The character traits he mentions are those ones to be found in unbelievers, so what he was in effect saying was that the church should not fellowship with such people to be on the safe side because they could well be unbelievers. The man is not the one reported as being proud, rather it was the congregation, you goofed. Why should we take your conclusion established on falsehood seriously? It will please me if those of your persuasion hand over such ones to Satan as Paul directs instead of pronouncing them lost. He never knew such ones! Read this passage to the end!
It is assurance of salvation all the way! |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 10:57am On Oct 03, 2014 |
Ukutsgp:I commend you for this excellent introduction of the matter, this belief is so unpopular these days, but so true.. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 11:43am On Oct 03, 2014 |
jumbled up so many things! phew! atbu1983: dis your post is a backing for once saved, forever save. if dat isI dont go to church to assuage my conscience, rather i go to church to know more of the abundance of grace and the enormity of the gift of righteousness to reign in life by one Christ Jesus... now if the "church" am going to rather than show forth His gift of righteousness freely given to me and show to me how the the abundance of grace teaches me to deny worldly lust and godlessness, is instead showing me how am susceptible to sinning and much sinining etc should i continually go to such a church atbu1983: Spend On tithes, I DONT PAY TITHE, and am not sinning... can you show me where paul who is a preacher of grace, an apostle to the gentiles, stated that its sin... what i know is that God loves a cheerful giver... whether 2% or 99% but it must be cheerfully given. And by the way how can i rob the One that a cattle on a thousand hills are His? And i dont work to earn browny points before God rather i work so that men will glorify God... do you spot the difference
here we go again... Grace is too good to be true/real for you people ... may God open the eyes of your understanding... that is the same thing paul faced... Rom 3:8 Bros what you wrote up there is you are doing just the same thing that people in paul's time did...running away from been damned for spiting the grace of God! 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 12:04pm On Oct 03, 2014 |
atbu1983: If d gospel of once save forever saved is true,what do you understand by this...
it means I can Let me give you an analogy, there are 2 flies... butterfly vs housefly, the butterfly is by nature MADE to fly among sweet smelling roses while the housefly will be found in ru-bbish and sh-it. Now my question, if the butterfly falls into rubbi-sh, does its fall into the rubbis-h make it a housefly? Am sure biologist will shudder if that were to happen... will the butterfly remain in the sh-it...of course not, it will change its mind [repent] and acknowledge its nature and fly off to what it always do... among the sweet smelling flowers... . Now becos the butterfly MAY FALL into the rubbi-sh does that make it to always WANT to fall into the rub-bish next time? yet you are spiting grace which teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust... Bros repent...change your mind! 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 12:10pm On Oct 03, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: and u know d dat the consequence of sin is eternal death(separation from God). Have you ever heard of "double jeopardy"? we must work for God. remember, Jesus said 'occupy till i come'. will he find u in ur duty post when he comes? You cannot occupy till He comes because you are upholding the 10 commandments which He nailed to the cross, hence makes you so conscious of sin! And the 10 commandment was written and engraved on stone not some how to slaughter animals. i must do the work of him that sent me while it is day, the night is coming when no man can work. he has sent us to preach d gospel, heal d sick, bind d broken hearted, raise d dead, bring deliverance to d possessed, set free those that are in prisons, help d orphans and widows like Dorcas, etc. beautiful, is it because you DID His "work" diligently that the above has occured in your ministry? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 12:18pm On Oct 03, 2014 |
atbu1983: what is THE gospel? remember paul emphasis that there is ANOTHER GOSPEL! Kindly help me understand THE GOSPEL and ANOTHER GOSPEL in the context of gal 1!
Please can you share with us what is the Gospel of the Grace of God? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 12:27pm On Oct 03, 2014 |
atbu1983: 1corinthians 9. 24 to 27 this is from one of my post, https://www.nairaland.com/1908930/once-saved-always-saved-false/6#26576726
Note: I know you can come up with satanic twisting of d message to create a meaning never intended by Apostle Paul when he was writing to Corinthians.
So by implication.. hearing that by one man's obedience we were made sinners and by One Man obedience, we were made righteous is a New THINGS... receiving the abundance of Grace and the Gift of righteousness thru Christ to reign in this life... is NEW THING? Reckoning (accounting) that Sin shall not have dominion over you ... is a NEW THING? That Christ as our High Priest can SAVE US TO THE UTTERMOST is a NEW THING? HMMM!!! 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 12:34pm On Oct 03, 2014 |
Orunto: We all are saved by the Grace of Christ. Once you have that Grace And you strive to retain it, you are saved forever. But whenever you backslide from the faith, you are doomed. This is the Teaching. It is not a doctrine. Do you know that "BACKSLIDING FROM THE FAITH is simply refusing to continue in how you received CHRIST... which is by faith... trying to work to to convince God is mere futility but working good so that men will see and glorify God is why i work not to score some cheap points before God. 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Orunto: 6:18pm On Oct 03, 2014 |
YOU DON'T KNOW GOD! |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 8:25pm On Oct 03, 2014 |
hisblud:Wonderful analogy |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 6:56am On Oct 04, 2014 |
hisblud:i am only upholding good works after salvation. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 7:00am On Oct 04, 2014 |
5solas: |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 7:02am On Oct 04, 2014 |
5solas:pls why the commendation? are not d championing those doctrines since d beginning of this thread? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 7:54am On Oct 04, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: pls why the commendation? are not d championing those doctrines since d beginning of this thread?Neither have I given up on their championing. I liked your introduction. The bolded in particular, though you don't seem to see it.
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Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 8:29am On Oct 04, 2014 |
Your presentation there was balanced and not a caricature of OSAS. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 8:51am On Oct 04, 2014 |
Orunto: YOU DON'T KNOW GOD!? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 8:51am On Oct 04, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: i am only upholding good works after salvation.but your post shows that your confidence in the works you do, will somehow make you acceptable to God, against the works i do not to be MADE acceptable but for MEN to SEE THOSE GOOD WORKS and GLORIFY HIM and this is why i dont fornicate, steal, cheat. Do you see the difference of how we both see WORKS differently? 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 9:37am On Oct 04, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: i am only upholding good works after salvation.And to what purpose? Good works after salvation for salvation? You have to find out the reason for those good works. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 11:11am On Oct 04, 2014 |
You advocate these good works for salvation, we say the believer being saved already, they cannot be for salvation. Do you see the difference? We do not deny the need to do good works after salvation but insist they have their necessary uses but not for salvation . 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 1:20pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Ukutsgp:You testify yourself that the belief is held by,'' most Presbyterian churches''. Ask yourself why they put up with this ''heresy''. The Westminster Confession of Faith from which these churches adopted the doctrine is at least three centuries old, it is dated 1646.It is clear therefore that this is no new ''heresy''. The truth is that it is a truth we have been glossing over while we allowed errors to flourish. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 6:58pm On Oct 11, 2014 |
if you truly know you are saved, then what is the problem? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 8:18pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
people can fall back to as when they are yet saved. so why the argument. someone can be saved today and become unsaved tomorrow. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 3:46pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: Harping on old strings again? How interesting! |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 4:11pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
5solas:yea. so are u telling me that a believer who went and indulge in fornication and died on top of a girl, will make heaven? can he? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 4:20pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. 23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord GOD, “ and not that he should turn from his ways and live? 24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die. 25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. 28 Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. -Ezekiel 18:21-28 this scripture shows that a righteous man can become unrighteous and vice-versa base on the way they lived. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 2:34pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
JMAN05:https://www.nairaland.com/2055387/frosbel-now-atheist/17#29481850 On what basis does one lose salvation. At what point in their lives do there do this? Enlighten me. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 2:43pm On Jan 05, 2015 |
5solas: Answer my questions first. Inside that question and in those scriptures your enlightenment will be gotten. Waiting... |
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