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Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 9:32am On Sep 24, 2014 |
hisblud:and people still commits sin. sin is still present. but we have access to his mercy without performing any ritual such as killing goat, turtle dove, lambs etc. we can go directly to God for mercy through Christ. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 9:44am On Sep 24, 2014 |
hisblud:. Bible speaks of different categories of death:- a. Spiritual death. Took place when Adam and Eve committed sin. God did warn them of their death if they violate God’s word. But they did not die physically; it was separation from God their creator and His glory. They recognized it immediately and tried to find some solutions too. Cf. Genesis 2:17; 3:7, 21; Ezekiel 18:20; Ephesians 2:1; 4:18; Romans 3:23. 1 Timothy 5:6. Since we all are born to the family of Adam, it is our natural state that we are dead spiritually, we have no life of God, nor the facility to relate with God. b. Physical death. As mentioned above this is the separation of our body, soul and Spirit. Physical death and every other form of human agony is also the consequence of violation of God’s law – sin - from the Garden of Eden. “In the sweat of face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground. For out of it you were taken; for dust you are, and to dust you shall return.” Genesis 3:19. We see the first physical death in Genesis 4:8. From there death has spread to the whole humanity and it reigns today. Romans 5:12; Psalm 90:10. cf. Psalm 49:14 Death feeds on sinners. c. Eternal death. 2Thessalonials 1:9. This is the most dangerous type of death. It is separation from God and His blessings for ever. In connection with both the above mentioned types of death, God has made some solutions and we can still avail the benefit of it, but eternal death means there is no way out, away from God everlastingly. This death is also called second death. Cf. Revelation 2:11; 20:6; 21:8. Apart from these three types of death, Bible also speaks of:- Death for sin – Christ’s death. 1 Corinthians 15:3. It was unique. Totally different from the death that we go through today. Death to sin. 1Peter 2:24. It is experienced by those who trust Christ as their saviour. They count themselves as dead to sin, self and the world. Cf. Romans. 6: 2, 6 —11; Galatians 2:20. Colossians 2: 20; 1Corinthians 15:31. Death in sin. It’s about one’s death, while living in sin. He lost every chance to get saved, till the end lived in sin. Ezekiel 3:18, 20. Death in Christ. That means one dies in the state of being in Christ, having faith in Him. 1Thessalonians : 4:16. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 9:46am On Sep 24, 2014 |
atbu1983:did. you follow the ,argument at all? it's not by writing. plenty things o,, make your argument logically |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by labot(m): 9:59am On Sep 24, 2014 |
[/b][b] Ukutsgp: i am not upholding any catholic doctrines. i have already shown him that u cant do away with d ten commandment. the moral laws stands but the ceremonial law has been done away with by christ death. so will must continue to do d moral laws such as 'thou shall not kill'.. The Law Does Not Justify Perhaps the clearest Scripture regarding the relationship of lawkeeping to our justification is Galatians 2:16: "Yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law, because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law." Paul explains this again in Romans 9:30-33:What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who didn't follow after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith; but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, didn't arrive at the law of righteousness. Why? Because they didn't seek it by faith, but as it were by works of the law. They stumbled over the stumbling stone; even as it is written, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and a rock of offense; and no one who believes in him will be disappointed." In this passage, Paul is saying that Israel did not attain righteousness. They missed it because they tried to attain it by law-keeping, and, because they did not have faith, they found Jesus Christ a stumbling stone. The Gentiles, on the other hand, found righteousness by faith in Christ. In Romans 3, we read, As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one...." Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God. Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin. But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; whom God set forth to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God's forbearance; to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time; that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus. Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. By what manner of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. We maintain therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Romans 3:10, 19-28 From the above bible passages, do you want us to believe that the ten commandments is the same as faith in Christ? I’m sure you’ll agree with me that it is not. As Christians we are free but we are not to use that liberty as an occasion for flesh (Galatians 5:13). As I stated in my earlier post, it is the Holy Spirit who instills into us new habits. We gradually start hating the sinful habits we have and start loving the new habits the Holy Spirit is instilling into us. It’s a gradual process and a pleasant spiritual awareness. Well I guess it’s only those who have undergone it, will understand it. This is what you feel concerning sin: You'll feel sorry but have no fear of condemnation (because you’re in Christ) even when and if you sin yet you gradually abandon your sinful ways. It is not a physical thing, it’s spiritual. Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy-laden and overburdened, and I will cause you to rest. [I will [a]ease and relieve and [b]refresh [c]your souls.] Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am gentle (meek) and humble (lowly) in heart, and you will find rest ([d]relief and ease and refreshment and [e]recreation and blessed quiet) for your souls. For My yoke is wholesome (useful, [f]good—not harsh, hard, sharp, or pressing, but comfortable, gracious, and pleasant), and My burden is light and easy to be borne. Matthew 11:28-30 Amplified Bible (AMP) |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 10:12am On Sep 24, 2014 |
labot: Dear Ukutsg, do you know who first promulgated that the law contains moral, ceremonial and judicial precepts? That both the ceremonial and judicial precepts are no longer binding but the moral is still binding? Catholic theologian Thomas Aquinas(1225-1274). Yes the catholic doctrine you so condemn yet are now upholding. The Bible does not divide the Law of Moses into "moral laws", "ceremonial laws" and "judicial or civil law" as if the moral laws were somehow more eternally and universally binding than the others. Now Gal 3:19 says: What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added [later on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt] because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made. And it [the Law] was arranged and ordained and appointed through the instrumentality of angels [and was given] by the hand (in the person) of a go-between [Moses, an intermediary person between God and man]. Amplified Bible (AMP).Thanks for this, great post. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 10:18am On Sep 24, 2014 |
labot: [/b][b].are we not suppose to obey the ten commandment? is the moral laws no longer relevant? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 10:32am On Sep 24, 2014 |
paxonel:Lol. I get your point. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 10:44am On Sep 24, 2014 |
James 2:14-26 English Standard Version (ESV) What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. so we are saved by faith but that does not mean we should not obey God's word. by keeping his commandment. avoiding sin, giving to the poor and many more. we must live right else our faith is useless. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 10:52am On Sep 24, 2014 |
5solas:faith and work goes together. u cant say u have faith and ur deeds does nt show it. our deeds must glorify God. let men see ur good works and glorify your father who is in heaven. matt 5:16. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 11:05am On Sep 24, 2014 |
paxonel: True talk. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 11:35am On Sep 24, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: JSo true. Who said otherwise? That said, I hope you agree that salvation is of grace, not just the born-again experience? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 11:45am On Sep 24, 2014 |
d mods are making me angry. all what i have been typing since disappeared. i'm out for now. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 11:49am On Sep 24, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: d mods are making me angry. all what i have been typing since disappeared. i'm out for now.Alright. Sorry about that. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by labot(m): 11:54am On Sep 24, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: are we not suppose to obey the ten commandment? is the moral laws no longer relevant?As Christians, we know not to commit murder, adultery etc because God's seed is in us but our justification and santification does not come from law keeping but by our faith in Christ Jesus alone. Remember the robber on the cross, he didn't have to keep the ten commandments but he believed(not by his will by God's will(John 1:12-13) and was saved. As the bible says; if anyone must preach the ten commandments: 1 Timothy 1:9-10: He must understand that the law was not made for the man who lives right. It was made for those who do not want any laws over them, and for those who will not obey. It was made for those who do not respect God, and those who are bad people. It was made for those who do not respect anything that is holy or belongs to God. It was made for those who beat their fathers or mothers, and for those who kill people. It was made for those who use sex in the wrong way and for men who have sex with other men. It was made for those who steal people, for those who tell lies, for those who make a promise that is not true, and for any other thing that is not right. So you see, it was not made for Christians. God bless you. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by labot(m): 12:28pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: James 2:14-26 English Standard Version It is by faith that we receive the justification that Jesus has already procured with His works. Our works add nothing to the perfect, complete work Jesus has already done. There can be such a thing as a false profession of faith. James seems to have been addressing this problem. He apparently knew of people who said they believed but never showed the love of God in their lives even when a need stared them right in the face. Notice James 2:15- 16: "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?" This was a demonstration of a lack of faith. The people doing this were apparently oblivious to their problem. Remember that James was writing to the "twelve tribes which are scattered abroad"—the Jews. As Jews did, these Jews would claim Abraham as their father (Matthew 3:9). But James shows them that the only way we know of Abraham's faith is by what he did (2:21-23). Then James tells them something unexpected. Even Rahab the harlot had faith. How do we know? By what she did. She did something that only a believer would have done. James never says that these works are what saved Abraham or Rahab. He does not say these works were supposed to give Abraham or Rahab assurance. Granted, when taken out of context, it sounds like he is saying that they were justified by works and not by faith only. But James explains himself in the context. Notice verse 18: "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James is writing about the demonstration of faith. The works we do simply let other people know of our faith. This is the key to understanding what James is saying. James is reacting to people with a false profession of faith. This is why he says in James 2:21: "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" It is as if these people were saying, "I believe that there is a chair over there." So James tells them, All right, now show me your belief in that chair by sitting on it. If they are afraid to do so then their belief is dead; it isn't real. James is telling them to demonstrate their belief. I know I believe. And God knows I believe, and it is by the instrument of belief that I receive justification (Romans 3:28; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; 3:11, 24). But you don't know that I believe unless I show it in my life. Thus, James does not say, "I will show God my faith by my works." And he does not say, "I will shew me my faith by my works." He says, "I will shew thee my faith by my works" (verse 18). He is saying the same thing that Paul says in Philippians 2:12-13 when he writes of the deeds that show outwardly the salvation that God is working in us: "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." God bless you. 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 2:11pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
atbu1983: oh so you mean this is perversion of the gospel...hmm paul you de hear how they claim that your preaching is "erronous twisting of the gospel"?
Hmm, ok, under the law, they tried but the law has conclude ALL under sin, reconcile this statement
when paul made that statement, they jews and gentiles were classified as UNRIGHTEOUS... it is only in Christ that they were made righteous! Now that christ have died for us, and we are born again, does it mean we are safe for ever even when we continously and deliberately do wrong (sin).? The answer is No! Should we continue in sin so dat grace shall abide, d bible said God forbid. This is were you people miss it... we are born again yes... shall we sin then.. as people during paul's time were accusing him of insinuating... Paul said NO! But that is where you people magnify and stop... reading on this is what Paul said.... romans 6. From verse 15 shown below The new covenant is first of all, started by faith and must surely be by faith in the grace [/b]that saves... the word OBEY in the greek is not the literal "do" its the word => NT:5219 hupakouo which means...[b]NT:5219 to hear under (as a subordinate), i.e. to listen attentively; by implication, to heed or conform to a command or authority according to the strongs. thus putting the mean in that verse it means that one has to hear continually to righteousness through grace not to sin which most make that mistake. So are we MADE slave of righteousness not that we STRUGGLE TO ATTAIN to be slave of righteousness which you are trying to make...and in that current consciousness... that the gift of righteousness which is ours because of God's Son... sin should not have dominion over us. Halleluyah! not its obedience FROM THE HEART, what does this mean in the context of righteousness of Christ by faith? And having been set free from sin, you becamemy question to you my friend, Paul says having been set free from sin, , have you ever sinned? And if yes, did you cease to become slave of righteousness? The word used for "sin" is not a VERB as in sinnng but as a NOUN... a thing/personality/an it.
Halleluyah, with the consciousness that am made a slave of righteousness, a gift, from that ground of been made righteous i yield myself not to "do" sining but to produce fruit of righteousness... not being CONSCIOUS OF SIN but be conscious of the Holy Christ as mary who always beheld Him and she thus knew the right thing to do when the time came.. anointed His feet. Apostle Paul went further to say Christianity is a race that one can lose d prize if not done delligently to the end. 1 Cor 9:24-27 Halleluyah... a lot of people use this to emphasis that its works... well lets see... paul emphasis that righteousness is a gift through grace... so definately he will be stating the obvious that he must run the race of righteousness through grace only and if he should ever be disqualified would be when he fell from grace due to the work of the law... Gal 5:4-7
this statement is not CORRECT. For by Grace minus work, were we saved NOT of "small" works lest i should boast which you are boasting... and as you have received Him..which is by faith... so continue therein which of a truth must be by FAITH!
but modify it with this The grace of God is what made God to makes us a new being by mere confession. The grace of God applify our good deed before God and downplay our weaknesses and wrongdoing (sin) b4 God. That is why we need to discipline our body and put it under control as apostle said. [/quote] Thus we can be disqualified (lose our salvation) as stated by apostle paul in 1corinthians if we take d grace of God for granted. Because as humans we have weaknesses, we should strife for physical righteousness even as we are spiritually righteous by d Grace of God through christ Jesus. For faith without work is dead. read this
Though we are saved by Grace d day we are born again, we sustain our salvation by fighting a good fight of faith and subjecting our body to control with d grace of God helping us. Just as we consciously made a decision to be born again and d grace of God made it possible so also we should consciously pursue physical righteousness and d grace of God will help us achieve it b4 God.I dont do good to be righteous before God, i do good so that men will glorify God! God sees d inclination of our heart. He knows when we make deliberate effort to do right. So because of his Grace he overlook even when we fall once in a while. Sin will be alluring if we loose focus of the subject of our righteousness - Christ whose righteous is a gift which we daily and consciously recieve.
BUT did he say, that such a believer has LOST HIS SALVATION? in no way am i in support of sin but i do not see where PAUL emphasis LOST OF SALVATION, rather what i read is that such a one be handed over to satan so that his body will be dealt with BUT his spirit will be saved! 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 2:23pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: and people still commits sin. sin is still present. but we have access to his mercy without performing any ritual such as killing goat, turtle dove, lambs etc. we can go directly to God for mercy through Christ. so what did Christ become on the cross SINS [VERB] or SIN[NOUN]? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Nobody: 2:35pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: . This is what i find interesting... now relate the above with your post i am not trying to justify myself. all i am saying is dat, [b]sin leads to eternal death [/b]therefore we must avoid sin like ebola. sin can seperate us from God forever if we live carelessly in this world. in the context of 2 thess 1:1-9, was it referring to those in Christ or those outside Christ....? What did those people "do" that caused them to have eternal death? thanks |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by paxonel(m): 4:46pm On Sep 24, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: faith and work goes together. u cant say u have faith and ur deeds does nt show it. our deeds must glorify God.eheh! you have commited another fallacy again, any Scripture you quote is fallacy ,all of them Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. did Matthew 5:16 mentioned any verdict for any Christian who do not shine his light there? did it mentioned any christian there? (people in.. the religion called Christianity ) do you realised that when Jesus Christ made that statement he has never died for the sins of mankind, he was about to go to Jerusalem to die, therefore there was no christianity at that time, nobody was a Christian (no salvation then ) and that christianity started after the death and resurrection of christ (with 120 people on the day of pentecost) act 1:15 how then is he telling christians to shine their light, that if they don't shine their light they will go to hell fire? i understand you are a Catholic? i thought catholics are more knowledgeable people? i don't think you are a Catholic if you are, you are a big disgrace to Catholic protestants are far better than you |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Goshen360(m): 6:15am On Sep 25, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: the only exception to eternal security is sin. I agree that sin should not be tolerated in Christian life but ask yourself. Can sin be completely avoided in this earthly vessel? We have been asking for forgiveness of sin since we became born again and tomorrow, we will still ask for forgiveness of sin.....insulting the finished works of Christ. Ask yourself, what is the solution to sin so we don't ask for forgiveness no more. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 6:50am On Sep 25, 2014 |
hisblud:those who fail to obey his word. whether in or outside. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 6:54am On Sep 25, 2014 |
Goshen360: |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 6:56am On Sep 25, 2014 |
Goshen360:u cant rule out the place of confession of sin and forgiveness. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 7:04am On Sep 25, 2014 |
paxonel: |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Goshen360(m): 7:10am On Sep 25, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: those who fail to obey his word. whether in or outside. When you swallow one false teaching, you will have to swallow more false teachings to defend the ONE you first swallowed. Twist this one...... Have you heard of doctrine of double punishment? If not, they are drawn from these two scriptures...from the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, the truth shall be established..... For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. You may be smart and say he was talking about their past sins......but hey, we use scripture to interpret scriptures. EVERY UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS A SIN and he just said he will be merciful to my UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.....meaning, he will be merciful to my sins because my unrightousness....NOT ACTING right sometimes which becomes my sins, he will REMEMBER NO MORE........My sin are exchanged for Christ's righteousness. Why? He (Christ) who knew no sin BECAME sin for me THAT I, in Christ might BECOME the righteousness of God. 2. Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.......PAST TENSE or PAST SINS (b). Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin........FUTURE SINS. Listen brother, past, present and future sins are all taken care of in Christ. God will not impute sin on me anymore BECAUSE sin was already imputed unto Christ......He who knew no sin BECAME SIN.....that I, in divine exchange, might BECOME the righteousness of God. It will be double punishment & unjust for God to do by the finished works of Christ to punish me for sin anymore if Christ was already punished for my sin.....past, present and future. 2 Likes |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Goshen360(m): 7:11am On Sep 25, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: u cant rule out the place of confession of sin and forgiveness. Has your confession and forgiveness made you stop sinning? |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Ukutsgp(m): 8:03am On Sep 25, 2014 |
@Goshen360. i dnt know that u are one of the perpetrators of false gospel on this forum. saying that our past sins, present and future sins are already taken care of is heresy. stop this falsehood and confess ur sin to God to obtain his forgiveness. if u confess ur sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive u. |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Goshen360(m): 12:09pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: @Goshen360. i dnt know that u are one of the perpetrators of false gospel on this forum. When you get there, hopefully if you do, it will be clear to you and you will understand but I can help you out. Ask yourself, the sins YOU WILL COMMIT TOMORROW. ...are they past or present sins or are they future sins AND WILL THOSE SIN BE FORVIGEN TOMORROW OR NOT? 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by 5solas(m): 12:36pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: @Goshen360. i dnt know that u are one of the perpetrators of false gospel on this forum.I believe we should ask for forgiveness when we sin for fellowship with the Lord to be restored, not for us to be re-saved. If our future sins were not covered by Christ's death, how do we get present forgiveness. Are you suggesting He dies perpetually? 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by debraleey: 2:51pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
Scyllapatron: christianity and confusionthere is no confusion cos God is not an author of confusion. It's either people do not fully understand d scriptures or it pinches them to accept the truth. Back to topic......very true......once saved isnt always saved......Paul even said shall we continue is sin that grace (my view--for salvation) may abound? God forbid! 1 Like |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by christemmbassey(m): 4:05pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
Goshen360:Oga Goshen i dey hail o! How far? I don dey try ya line but man no fit connect u, hope all is well. Cheers! |
Re: Once Saved Always Saved Is A False Doctrine. Beware! by Goshen360(m): 4:22pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
christemmbassey: Oga Goshen i dey hail o! How far? I don dey try ya line but man no fit connect u, hope all is well. Cheers! I will try give you a call this weekend. Stay blessed, all is well, just that I'm in special job training with my job. |
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