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Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
LordReed: Thanks for the compliment. My point really is that he later had to chase them out when he saw that they had become wise. Initially, he camped them like little kids and warned them not to go near the forbidden tree. There was no exercise of free will when man lived in the garden. He was clearly a robot who had no wills except that programmed into it by its creator. All these changed when he ate the fruit and became like god. The scripture was clear about him becoming like God only after he ate the said fruit. Before he ate the fruit, he led a very different kind of existence from that the one he had after eating the fruit. 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 5:51pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
LordReed:no,I do for sure.. but ask Ur self how or when was a magnet placed into the earth and also where did the earth came from, after all it reads Genesis1:1 God created the heaven and the earth..... Genesis has an approximate of all that happened |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by pesty100(m): 5:52pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
I slept off and what happens? The thread has reached 6 pages |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 5:53pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
hifaif:choi robot,,,,,,,,,,, 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by LordReed(m): 5:54pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
hifaif: He was like God but yet God cast him out like a dirty rag. How then was he like God? Why didn't he fight and go back in? 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 5:54pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
efedua: Hum! another one today,,,,,,, well is good to know.... the ways of God cannot be understand literally and one can neither say God is evil. God created man, Adam and Eve and commanded them to replenish the earth(symbolic of marriage) and Adam and Eve knew nothing and they were left without a knowledge to reason about anything and the uses of things,likewise we can compare them as sucklings but sucklings are better of than they are. I must say that the fall of Adam and Evil confer satisfaction to God's creation in that God love man to replenish the earth but however man was lame and there is no means one can say that that will would be accomplished. wisdom was created by God and in it lie the sense of judgement,reasoning, etc which comes by the knowledge of good and evil, and God was with wisdom when He was creating the world. and to his creations above he gave wisdom, so therefore the feared conceived righteousness and the impudent evil, and to man beneath he has set a way by which he as well could obtain wisdom. all things after the creation would have remained as they are if Adam fell not but the will of God may not be done as it is his will that man procreate to replenish the whole earth. but one will ask if God cannot instead create more man to fill the earth than ascribing it to man's procreation,but however it is to God own wisdom why he left man to fall, and to them that obtain understanding in the Lord,God reveal such to. so then God kept in Eden a tree which fruit is wisdom and the other live and said man eat not of this tree if ye do ye die, I believe that was an option to keep God just from man's regret of having wisdom and man being pained to death....man yield and fell into temptation because he knew nothing other than that which was said to him, and him seeing the pertinent behind eating it forgot that God said death and the end was the result. so man was counted with the sin of disobedience which purge his body to death, for indeed he has not eaten unto his soul but unto his body.the world sank into the cup of him that have dominion over it and all drank of same cup that death in the flesh may continue with procreation...... sin in the world was begotten by disobedience, and continued by the pain of the flesh which is envisaged by wisdom... lol,,,,and man knew how to take care of his kind and he became an indomitable player. really Adam and Eve have as many as unknown numbers of children from whom they are married again by the children to bring back the unit of procreation and live continues... |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by LordReed(m): 5:57pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
efedua: no,I do for sure.. but ask Ur self how or when was a magnet placed into the earth and also where did the earth came from, after all it reads Genesis1:1 God created the heaven and the earth..... Genesis has an approximate of all that happened Of course it is brief an concise. There be no end to the story if every single element had to be described. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 5:59pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
LordReed: Fight back with what? Stones against angels with flaming swords? 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by LordReed(m): 6:06pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
hifaif: Haba he was like God na, he could have made his own angels and flaming swords. In fact he have snubbed God with a finger in the nose and said "Frakk you God! I am going to make my own Universe!". Shebi he was like God? |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 6:12pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
hifaif: I don't know if anyone has ever noticed anything while reading this biblical verse:atheist,Ɣou are at it again#arms crossed# :X |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 6:20pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
LordReed: You are making it look like I was the one that made up that statement. I gave you a scriptural verse that clearly stated that God said that man had become like one of them. 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 6:22pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
missyhorlah: atheist,Ɣou are at it again#arms crossed# :X welcome to the thread, Missy. 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 6:27pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
LordReed:yeah |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by LordReed(m): 6:28pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
hifaif: Okay you can make statements like man was not supposed to be in the garden but cloak yourself with the defense of "scripture said not me" when it suits you. LoL! Just so amazing how people play themselves ojoro. 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by pacretus(m): 6:57pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
hifaif:God is good ...devil is evil. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Pr0ton: 7:09pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
Here is what we got
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Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by pacretus(m): 7:15pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
GOD said let us make man in our own image according to our likeness....in another place He says"man has become like one of us" God made man to know only good not evil. wen u advice a child against doing something hurtfull.even if u know the outcome if he dares to disobey he will have tolearn to obey. God says"my pple perish for lack of knowledge." God already warned adam against eating of the tree of knowledge of good nd evil. but he GOD is the only good Good. man only new to do good.but he later sined cos he had no knowledge of evil.but now God knows both good nd evil.He has power to resist evil but h HE also knew dat man had no strenght to resist evil. dat is what christ came for, to awaken d spirit of man which died. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Pr0ton: 7:28pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
malvisguy212: God was angry because man disobey his comandTried not to laugh while reading this but couldn't help it. And, could you please rethink the bolded? |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Pr0ton: 7:37pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
pacretus: GOD said let us make man in our own image according to our likeness....in another place He says"man has become like one of us" Man knew ONLY good.. You still make no point. Since disobeying God is something evil/bad/not good, man could not have done evil (disobey) all he could do was GOOD, that's all what he knew. But then he sinned, and that takes you back to the first post. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 7:37pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
LordReed: Ojoro? How? Are you saying God never said man has become like one of them? That is the only scripture I have used all this while. Don't exaggerate this. I have used only that scripture, nothing else. You have been on about it as though it is not in the Bible. Man was not supposed to be in the garden was simply a statement to argue against free will existing before the eating of the fruit. 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by krayzieklay(m): 7:50pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
plaetton: You nailed it man... |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by pacretus(m): 8:40pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
Pr0ton:waoo.suprised at u man..but i'll just try nd leave the holyspirit to do d rest. hmmm.friend God made man not a robot but a free agent.he told man to control (have dominion) over His creation(all creatures). the bible made us to understand dat God came to adam in d cool od the day.God left adam to himself, he had freedom like a creature in its ecological niche.he was the god over Gods creatutes he even named the animals.God tot adam wasn't gonna disobey,so He was grievously angered by mans disobedience. though man only to do good,the devil(serpent) lured him into it.so thier was a third party influence there. when u read the full account of what happened the devil had to get eve before he got adam. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by pacretus(m): 8:49pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
in conlcusion ,i end all this argument wit this qoute from the bible."bad character corrupts good manners." adam was made to know only good.but he was decieved by the devil.(D+Evil=devil).so adam good character or moral got corrupted by bad character d devil..but i love the bible is realy interestine.hmm. case closed.all rise.COURTUU. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by pacretus(m): 8:50pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
in conlcusion ,i end all this argument wit this qoute from the bible."bad character corrupts good manners." adam was made to know only good.but he was decieved by the devil.(D+Evil=devil).so adam good character or moral got corrupted by bad character d devil..but i love the bible is realy interestine.hmm. case closed.all rise.COURTUU. ;Din conlcusion ,i end all this argument wit this qoute from the bible."bad character corrupts good manners." adam was made to know only good.but he was decieved by the devil.(D+Evil=devil).so adam good character or moral got corrupted by bad character d devil..but i love the bible is realy interestine.hmm. case closed.all rise.COURTUU. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by LordReed(m): 8:53pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
hifaif: Yes my saying man should have damned God and made his own universe was also to carry forth the argument. Ah you want to dodge under "but it is not me that said it it is scripture". If you are confident you know what it means why don't you answer? |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Vikky014(f): 9:39pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
i came late o.was busy |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 10:10pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
pacretus:u are only speaking with the sense of reasoning why not come to revelation....... u are not God,,,,,,,, if God would have man leaving through out in the garden of Eden he would have be an helper for him at the point of his temptation...... I can't tell u that man was like a robot because he wasn't, but if u want to say God confer much interest and tot Adam will not disobey I am out, even procreation which was mentioned after their creation isn't made to succeed in the garden of Eden |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 10:24pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
LordReed: Brb, please.My battery is flat. 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Nobody: 11:00pm On Sep 28, 2014 |
LordReed: If I say I understand you, I would be telling you a big lie. The argument was for/or against free will before the eating of the forbidden fruit. I said he couldn't have exercised free will because there were no choices independent of God's coercion. There was only a command choice 'thou shall not eat.. if you do, thou shall surely die' That was a command choice and not free will. So what really is your own argument. You said man exercised free will even before he ate the fruit and after that, you went around making rhetorics. What is your argument in support of free will before the fruit was eaten? 1 Like |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by malvisguy212: 7:26am On Sep 29, 2014 |
plaetton:i gave you the verse that say man know the comand God gave before he ate the fruit genesis 3:2 . I did not add or remove anythin. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by malvisguy212: 7:30am On Sep 29, 2014 |
hifaif:satan only put the idea into there head,but when the ate the fruit,the deed were done then there eyes were open. |
Re: Any Christian To Help Explain This? by Pr0ton: 7:50am On Sep 29, 2014 |
pacretus: What's omniscience? God should had known that the freewill would be destructive, and he shouldn't have given us this freewill if TRULY He's not willingly that any should perish... |
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