LordReed:

LoL! OMG! You even know pass God sef. Senior brother to God LoL!

LordReed:

I don't understand. You don't believe in the Genesis account?

hifaif:

Thanks for the compliment. My point really is that he later had to chase them out when he saw that they had become wise. Initially, he camped them like little kids and warned them not to go near the forbidden tree. There was no exercise of free will when man lived in the garden. He was clearly a robot who had no wills except that programmed into it by its creator. All these changed when he ate the fruit and became like god.

The scripture was clear about him becoming like God only after he ate the said fruit. Before he ate the fruit, he led a very different kind of existence from that the one he had after eating the fruit.

hifaif:

Thanks for the compliment. My point really is that he later had to chase them out when he saw that they had become wise. Initially, he camped them like little kids and warned them not to go near the forbidden tree. There was no exercise of free will when man lived in the garden. He was clearly a robot who had no wills except that programmed into it by its creator. All these changed when he ate the fruit and became like god.

The scripture was clear about him becoming like God only after he ate the said fruit. Before he ate the fruit, he led a very different kind of existence from that the one he had after eating the fruit.

efedua: Hum! another one today,,,,,,, well is good to know.... the ways of God cannot be understand literally and one can neither say God is evil. God created man, Adam and Eve and commanded them to replenish the earth(symbolic of marriage) and Adam and Eve knew nothing and they were left without a knowledge to reason about anything and the uses of things,likewise we can compare them as sucklings but sucklings are better of than they are. I must say that the fall of Adam and Evil confer satisfaction to God's creation in that God love man to replenish the earth but however man was lame and there is no means one can say that that will would be accomplished. wisdom was created by God and in it lie the sense of judgement,reasoning, etc which comes by the knowledge of good and evil, and God was with wisdom when He was creating the world. and to his creations above he gave wisdom, so therefore the feared conceived righteousness and the impudent evil, and to man beneath he has set a way by which he as well could obtain wisdom. all things after the creation would have remained as they are if Adam fell not but the will of God may not be done as it is his will that man procreate to replenish the whole earth. but one will ask if God cannot instead create more man to fill the earth than ascribing it to man's procreation,but however it is to God own wisdom why he left man to fall, and to them that obtain understanding in the Lord,God reveal such to. so then God kept in Eden a tree which fruit is wisdom and the other live and said man eat not of this tree if ye do ye die, I believe that was an option to keep God just from man's regret of having wisdom and man being pained to death....man yield and fell into temptation because he knew nothing other than that which was said to him, and him seeing the pertinent behind eating it forgot that God said death and the end was the result. so man was counted with the sin of disobedience which purge his body to death, for indeed he has not eaten unto his soul but unto his body.the world sank into the cup of him that have dominion over it and all drank of same cup that death in the flesh may continue with procreation...... sin in the world was begotten by disobedience, and continued by the pain of the flesh which is envisaged by wisdom... lol,,,,and man knew how to take care of his kind and he became an indomitable player. really Adam and Eve have as many as unknown numbers of children from whom they are married again by the children to bring back the unit of procreation and live continues...
https://www.nairaland.com/1918328/why-people-say-jesus-died/2#26649405

efedua: no,I do for sure.. but ask Ur self how or when was a magnet placed into the earth and also where did the earth came from, after all it reads Genesis1:1 God created the heaven and the earth..... Genesis has an approximate of all that happened

LordReed:

He was like God but yet God cast him out like a dirty rag. How then was he like God? Why didn't he fight and go back in?

hifaif:

Fight back with what? Stones against angels with flaming swords?

hifaif: I don't know if anyone has ever noticed anything while reading this biblical verse:


And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil and blessing and calamity; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.
Gen 3: 22.


From the above passage, we are made to understand that man had no knowledge of good and evil before he ate the forbidden fruit. So why was God so angry?

Man clearly didn't know what he was doing (he couldn't differentiate between good and evil).

If man had no knowledge (of good and evil), how could he have responded to the laws of not eating of the fruit?

How can a man who cannot differentiate between good and evil resist temptation?

How can he tell if what his tempter is saying is good or evil since he cannot differentiate one from the other?

The first man (before he sinned) seems more like a robot to me. So why did God make a big deal out of it?

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LordReed:

Haba he was like God na, he could have made his own angels and flaming swords. In fact he have snubbed God with a finger in the nose and said "Frakk you God! I am going to make my own Universe!". Shebi he was like God?

missyhorlah: atheist,Ɣou are at it again#arms crossed# :X

LordReed:

Of course it is brief an concise. There be no end to the story if every single element had to be described.

hifaif:

You are making it look like I was the one that made up that statement. I gave you a scriptural verse that clearly stated that God said that man had become like one of them.

hifaif:

So what really was the good and evil referenced in that passage. The bible said 'knowledge of good and evil' what sort of good and evil was mentioned here?

malvisguy212: God was angry because man disobey his comand

.the first word God say to man is "you shall not eat from the tree of knowlegd of good and evil" if God did not say this,the freewill will not been put to test,the moment God say this word, man has a little idea not do somthing. Now the first word satan say to man..."has God said you shuld not eat from the tree?" what dos this mean? Satan was giving man the idea to disobey God. This was the actual reply the woman reply to the snake genesis3:2"we may eat the fruit of any tree in the garden except the tree from the middle" this mean MAN HAS THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, THE KNOWLEGE BECAME ACTIVE WHEN MAN DO THE DEED .

pacretus: GOD said let us make man in our own image according to our likeness....in another place He says"man has become like one of us"
God made man to know only good not evil.
wen u advice a child against doing something hurtfull.even if u know the outcome if he dares to disobey he will have tolearn to obey.
God says"my pple perish for lack of knowledge."
God already warned adam against eating of the tree of knowledge of good nd evil. but he
GOD is the only good Good. man only new to do good.but he later sined cos he had no knowledge of evil.but now God knows both good nd evil.He has power to resist evil but h
HE also knew dat man had no strenght to resist evil.
dat is what christ came for, to awaken d spirit of man which died.

LordReed:

Okay you can make statements like man was not supposed to be in the garden but cloak yourself with the defense of "scripture said not me" when it suits you. LoL! Just so amazing how people play themselves ojoro.

plaetton:

Wrong sir.
Children are fearful of everything right from birth, and do not need to understand something before they fear it.
Even adults fear what they do not fully understand, talkless of infants.

To say that eve knew what death was is quite laughable.
Pray tell, what experience did she have of death before then?

I can't believe how you are running in circles, contradicting yourself and your bible at every point.



God did lie. It is there before your eyes , but cognitive dissonance won't allow you to face it.
First, if you don't allow your children to know good from bad, then how will they follow your ethical or moral rules, your philosophy? How would they navigate the ocean of life and make good beneficial decisions for themselves and their environment?

So god, obviously wanted them to remain in zombie, semi-conscious state so that they may not see or question his own shortcomings and contradictions. From the tower of babel incident, it is again obvious that god was afraid of the human intellect and it's infinite abilities.

Lie #2. Did Adam die after eating the fruit? No. He lived, he gained knowledge and became self-conscious and self-aware, just like the wise serpent had told him.
Who was the liar and insecure one?

Now, to use death as a threat and the consequence of gaining and being self-aware is quite laughable if one ignores the fact that these were written by stone age people.
Life and death are interwoven and interchangeable. All that live must die. That is something that god himself should very well have known.
Therefore, god couldn't have created life without the expectation and inevitability of death.

If plants and animals die, planets die, stars die, galaxies die, then it is really really dumb for any biological life to dream of eternal life.

The idea of eternal life is an idea only suited for ignorant and s.t.u.pi.d people.

Pr0ton:

Man knew ONLY good.. You still make no point. Since disobeying God is something evil/bad/not good, man could not have done evil (disobey) all he could do was GOOD, that's all what he knew. But then he sinned, and that takes you back to the first post.

hifaif:

Ojoro? How? Are you saying God never said man has become like one of them? That is the only scripture I have used all this while. Don't exaggerate this. I have used only that scripture, nothing else. You have been on about it as though it is not in the Bible.

Man was not supposed to be in the garden was simply a statement to argue against free will existing before the eating of the fruit.

pacretus:
waoo.suprised at u man..but i'll just try nd leave the holyspirit to do d rest.
hmmm.friend God made man not a robot but a free agent.he told man to control (have dominion) over His creation(all creatures). the bible made us to understand dat God came to adam in d cool od the day.God left adam to himself, he had freedom like a creature in its ecological niche.he was the god over Gods creatutes he even named the animals.God tot adam wasn't gonna disobey,so He was grievously angered by mans disobedience.
though man only to do good,the devil(serpent) lured him into it.so thier was a third party influence there.
when u read the full account of what happened the devil had to get eve before he got adam.

LordReed:

Yes my saying man should have damned God and made his own universe was also to carry forth the argument. Ah you want to dodge under "but it is not me that said it it is scripture". If you are confident you know what it means why don't you answer?

LordReed:

Yes my saying man should have damned God and made his own universe was also to carry forth the argument. Ah you want to dodge under "but it is not me that said it it is scripture". If you are confident you know what it means why don't you answer?

plaetton:

What rubbish is this?
Man had the knowledge of good and evil before he ate the fruit, even though god admonished man not to eat from the the tree lest he should know good and evil?

I love it when you guys reinterpret to contradict.

hifaif:

Their eyes opened when they ate the fruit. Their eyes opening symbolizes the loss of innocence and the beginning of guilt and shame. Before this, they felt and had no shame and no guilt because they couldn't recognize wrongs from right

pacretus:
waoo.suprised at u man..but i'll just try nd leave the holyspirit to do d rest.
hmmm.friend God made man not a robot but a free agent.he told man to control (have dominion) over His creation(all creatures). the bible made us to understand dat God came to adam in d cool od the day.God left adam to himself, he had freedom like a creature in its ecological niche.he was the god over Gods creatutes he even named the animals. God tot adam wasn't gonna disobey ,so He was grievously angered by mans disobedience.
though man only to do good,the devil(serpent) lured him into it.so thier was a third party influence there.
when u read the full account of what happened the devil had to get eve before he got adam.