Resilence:

my dear ur miseries has just began,
wat damn evidence are u blabbing about, when ur cardinals said they were pulling out of CAN cos Ayo's private jet was bought for him by d govt did dey provide any evidence, are these nt dsame conspiracies blind brainwashed catholics like u are propagating all over d media, can some1 be dis clueless Ur even asking me to provide evidence for allegation u vehemtly orchestrated, u are a sure nicompoop, and
which truth are u holding on to, oh is it d 1 ur cardinal brianwashed u wit Even ur fellow catholics in d north av denied ties wit ur so called cardinal, they are all singing d praise of Ayo,..the earlier u open ur eyes to reality the better ur chances of survival, ur fellow catholics in d north can atestify to this fact.

tonytony208:

yeah. Oritsejafor withstood the muslims to the extent of asking xtians to fight back. Now, mr Pentecostal xtian, do you think Jesus Christ would have made the same utterances if He were CAN's president? I mean the same Jesus that said you should turn the left cheek if your enemy should slap you on the right cheek. Do you know what Archbishop Onaiyekan did when he was CAN president? He was fasting with muslims during the holy month of Ramadan in line with what apostle paul said that "i am everything to everyone THAT I MAY WIN SOME"! I suspect you have torn that part away from your bible. The only part you read now is the part where Jesus asked his disciples to buy sword; because that part sounds ok to your itching ears.

tonytony208:

first off, i don't know what you mean by misery. I've never felt better and more relaxed in my life. I guess you are the one going through misery and you now "think" (like you always do) that others are sharing your misery. I'm sorry to say that you are completely alone in your misery; whatever the cause.

Secondly, i don't know where you got your lies from, but it is certain the church never left CAN for flimsy reasons; the Church is too guarded in conduct to make unproven claims. You can't understand because you are not part of us.

Thirdly, it is clear that reading and understanding are not your strong points. I also suspect your mental reasoning still belongs to the lower rung of the mental-ladder; i mean that looks like the only logical reason why you will want to turn a simple discuss to abuse and name calling. This shows many of you Pentecostals just warm benches in your churches without understanding what it means to be a Pentecostal Christian. I will leave your pastors to tutor you on that; hoping they will not be too carried away with prosperity preaching to remember salvation message.

Lastly, you should know that the Catholic Church always speaks with one voice. We are not like the so-called Pentecostals that have no singular direction. The Catholic Church is not an individual's business venture like your Pentecostal churches. As a result our voices are never divided.

padeolu: If Christians choose not stay out of politics, then they have nothing to complain about when the non-Christians misrule. #justsaying

Resilence:
are u implying that politics be left for the dirty ones?,if so, then i totally disagree, in d bible david was king, yet he was man after God's own heart, wat about solomon d wisest king ever liveth, or is it joseph, joshua and so many of them who were involved in politics and yet God called them His own,.. Even prophet Samuel in d bible was a personal adviser to King saul,.assuming samuel was in our generatn, same fate would av befall him,. We should always av at d back of our mind as christains that christ didnt die for beleivers, christ came for d dirty ones, if they are isolated, tins will get rough nt only in d country but also for christains,..POLITICIANS must nt be left isolated and christians should take it upon themselves and get involved in politics.
I wish we had christains in majority of d arms of govt, some of d problem facing this country wouldnt av come to existence, cos we would av ppl who are God fearing in these govt institutions. A word they say is enough for d wise.

tonytony208:

the reason why catholics left CAN was because CAN leadership was romancing with govt at the center. When you do that, there is no way you will not compromise your stand as a true Christian. That was exactly what Okogie reiterated when he spoke about this issue the last time. I don't expect you to see things this way and i don't expect you to see anything bad in CAN romancing with politicians.

Trailblazer1:
Your term 'Romancing with politicians' its too vague for easy comprehension. Please, clearly explain yourself cos the last time I checked, pastor Ayo had a wife and not a gay. How was he Romancing with politicians?
You want him to send the president away when he comes to seek spiritual counsel right? Then what makes him a spiritual father? Where is the place for spiritual counsel and guidance?
I have never seen pastor Ayo in any PDP rally, or have you?
As for your cardinals who can't stomach being under the leadership of a pentecostal due to perceived feeling of superiority, I have a lot to say about them, but in the spirit of unity, I will hold my peace.

I hereby challenge anybody to show me one place from the scriptures where his actions are contrary and I Will show you five places where they are right.

Resilence:


it seems all effort to awakening ur brainwashed sense of reasoning to d present day reality has been futile so far, so i wash my hands frm ur pathetic case, i wont be held responsible for ur stunted overview about the pentecostal church, atleast i tried my best puting u on d knw, u can go ahead wit ur conspiracy theories. But remember God is watching.

Lordlexyy: Well, it sounds ok for the cardinal to break fast with the muslims while Christians up north get attack by their muslim neighbours. Papa Ayo never advice anyone to pick up arms against his fellow muslims, but his comments many atimes is to remind the muslims that the Christians are aware of all the unprovoked killings, something none of the former CAN president ever did. Papa Ayo actual made us realise that the Christians are not cowards but patiently following and abiding by the injunction of the bible. We are not surprise at this blantant accusation against the man of God since it is clear that the muslims and catholics have always been best of friends. But, may i remind you that the emergence of Papa has greatly unite we true Christians more to realise we are never push over, an opposition and spirit the catholic CAN presidents lack and couldn't give.

tonytony208:

yeah, you "true" Christians are united. You are so true to the extent that pastor Chris has become a divorcee. Your "unity" and "trueness" to Christianity has not stopped your pastors from committing fornication and adultery all over the place. What is the purpose of your unity? Is it for earthly strength or heavenly salvation? You bunch of hypocrites! Will it interest you to know that pastor oritsejafor renting out a private jet for commercial purpose is illegal? Am sure you are too arrogant, brainwashed and blind to reason this out.

Now, mr Spirit-led, tongue-twisting Pentecostal, if Jesus is around in the flesh today, do you think he would have separated himself from Muslims? Do you think he wouldn't have eaten and drunk with them, just like the cardinal did? Don't you pple claim to be led by the Spirit of Jesus? How come your orientation is different?

jideomowunmi:


All of dis people u've just mentioned were directly ordained by God....and u cannot compare the politics of then to the now..plus David, samuel, solomon and d rest were strictly called to be king..and not a priest den followed by the thrown..Elisha, Elijah and d rest were JUST priest...once u are called to be a priest..i think d post on its own is tasking as it is...and adding politics is just way too much...u can try and imagine pastor Adeboye wit d work of d whole Redeem church on his shoulders and still getting himself into politics...#justgivinganexamle#

jideomowunmi:


All of dis people u've just mentioned were directly ordained by God....and u cannot compare the politics of then to the now..plus David, samuel, solomon and d rest were strictly called to be king..and not a priest den followed by the thrown..Elisha, Elijah and d rest were JUST priest...once u are called to be a priest..i think d post on its own is tasking as it is...and adding politics is just way too much...u can try and imagine pastor Adeboye wit d work of d whole Redeem church on his shoulders and still getting himself into politics...#justgivinganexamle#

jideomowunmi:


Looking at d way politics is in dis our part of d country...tell me aw possibly one can successfully partake in it and still be sane...and for example, there is a saying da if there is no smoke..there won't be fire...9.3 million naira...the president of CAN....pls d case really needs to be scrutinise....

Resilence: Hw do u start educating an hardened-brainwashed-religeous bigot wit passion,..where do u start frm!

alcoholic:

very serious issue

Resilence:
a very pathetic one at dat.

padeolu: There are hundreds of Christians who have in one time or the other taken up the challenge to govern, be it at the local, regional and/or national level. Although vast majority of them became popular as a result of corruption cases. We just can't judge the whole lots based on the numerous cases we've seen. Definitely there are good ones, maybe I don't know any for now. But definitely, they are out there.

Resilence:

are u now implying that God does nt support d leadership of this country or you are saying God didnt ordain them?

jideomowunmi:

If u read my words carefully enough u will notice am being careful here as to not go against d Lords anointed...(so to speak)...wa am saying is...if there is no smoke..there won't be any fire..dis case needs to be carefully treated...dats all...and let me ask u dis...av u seen d president of d can wen passing thru...?av u seen d mighty escort dat goes wit him..?Jesus only had d 12 disciples walking on d street wit him bare-footed...like I said earlier on...Christianity will always be Christianity and politics will always be politics...

tonytony208:

yeah, you "true" Christians are united. You are so true to the extent that pastor Chris has become a divorcee. Your "unity" and "trueness" to Christianity has not stopped your pastors from committing fornication and adultery all over the place. What is the purpose of your unity? Is it for earthly strength or heavenly salvation? You bunch of hypocrites! Will it interest you to know that pastor oritsejafor renting out a private jet for commercial purpose is illegal? Am sure you are too arrogant, brainwashed and blind to reason this out.

Now, mr Spirit-led, tongue-twisting Pentecostal, if Jesus is around in the flesh today, do you think he would have separated himself from Muslims? Do you think he wouldn't have eaten and drunk with them, just like the cardinal did? Don't you pple claim to be led by the Spirit of Jesus? How come your orientation is different?

Resilence:

yes i av seen his convoy, wat do u expect, a man dat speaks against insurgency and islamization of d country should be a terror target, so he needs d escort, in warri he doesnt carry such kind of escort,..that shouldnt even be a matter to discuss, since u pointed dat out let me also refer u to ur pope whose convoy is larger than the convoy of two president put together, wat do av to say about that?

jideomowunmi:


Well...am not a catholic and av never seen a pope passing by...so I have no idea concerning dat...lolzzzzz

jideomowunmi:


Well...am not a catholic and av never seen a pope passing by...so I have no idea concerning dat...lolzzzzz

jideomowunmi:


Well...am not a catholic and av never seen a pope passing by...so I have no idea concerning dat...lolzzzzz

Lordlexyy: Quit being judgemental Mr tony. And i most say that the insult doesn't portray you in a good light of the faith you profess. For the record, the adultery scandal hanging on Pastor Chris was mere speculative but i will allow you to choose what to believe. However, irrespective of your obvious hatred for the pentecostals, i am not here to discuss or condemn any church, my concern is to defend Papa Ayo from any imaginary and unproven crime levelled against him by enemies both within and outside, which i view as an attack against the body Christ and to promote the very positive role he has played among northern Christians in given us a stand. This i maitained is in sharp contrast to the domicile leadership role played by his predecessors. What ever your grudges against other believes outside of the catholic doesnot change the very positive effect and contribution this present leadership has recorded thus far. Shalom.

Resilence: Hw do u start educating an hardened-brainwashed-religeous bigot wit passion,..where do u start frm!

Resilence:

yes i av seen his convoy, wat do u expect, a man dat speaks against insurgency and islamization of d country should be a terror target, so he needs d escort, in warri he doesnt carry such kind of escort,..that shouldnt even be a matter to discuss, since u pointed dat out let me also refer u to ur pope whose convoy is larger than the convoy of two president put together, wat do av to say about that?

alcoholic:
hmm, i heard father okogie released a statement callin d present CAN president names, ..hw hatred can make some1 look cheap, realy baffling.

tonytony208:

first off, pls keep your hypocritical shalom to yourself.

Secondly, don't even give me that "judgemental" crap. I suggest you give the same message to one of your rotten brothers whose monicker is "alcoholic". He had been judgemental since this discuss began to the extent of calling cardinal okogie, someone who is old enough to be his grandfather, a slowpoke. You will never see that as wrong because he is your fellow Pentecostal. One of your so-called spirit-filled brothers here commented that catholics are like muslims, but that will not look judgemental to you because it was written by a Pentecostal. But when a catholic says such, you start crying "judgemental". How does your brothers' thoughtless utterances present Pentecostal xtians in good light? in fact, his comments make me wonder if your churches teach you pple about respect for elders.

Even you, mr "judgemental" crooner, you wrote in one of your comments that catholics team up with muslims and traditionalists to criticize pastor ayo. Is that statement not judgemental? Can you now see that you've lost the moral justification to ever call anyone judgemental? Aren't you ashamed of yourself? Your comment is full of HYPOCRISY! I suggest you remove the big log in your own eyes before removing the speck in mine. When catholic priests sin, you pple shout it to high heavens. But when Pentecostal pastors sin, you try to cover it up and start uttering your "thou shall not judge" nonsense. HYPOCRITES!

Thirdly
Mr. pastor ayo's defender, how will you defend the fact that the CAN president rented out his jet illegally? Or do you want to pretend you don't know that it is illegal to rent out personal jets for commercial purpose? But am sure it will not matter to you. Since it is your small god, pastor ayo, that we are talking about, he can play around with illegality and it will not matter. HYPOCRITE!

You claim onaiyekan was domicile. Were you expecting him to be arrogant and start building dividing block btw Christians and Muslims, like pastor ayo is doing? Is that what you call good leadership-a leader that makes you see the muslims as your enemies? Do you realize that many muslims are against the killings perpetrated by boko haram? Pastor ayo ignobly committed the error of linking boko haram with islam. Do you know how many xtians were arrested for working with boko haram? Many muslims were actually innocent, yet pastor ayo makes you see muslims as your enemies. I still put this question to you: If Jesus Christ is alive in the flesh today, do you think
He would have accused muslims the way pastor ayo has done or He would have eaten with them the way cardinal onaiyekan has done?

Lordlexyy: I understand how deeply pained you feel over some personal views, but the tension flaring is clearly unnecessary. I would rather that we keep the discussion as civil as possible without resorting to personal attack. First, you must be able to prove doubt what makes it illicit for an individual to lease out his property for commercial purpose. Secondaly, to your unending question, is on record how Christ critise and condemned the pharasees who are the pro type of today's muslims and their practices which is what Papa Ayo is currently doing. Thirdly, i am finding it difficult to relate with your insinuation that Papa Ayo has divided the both religions with his resistance. My question is, were the two faiths ever in harmony? The fact he made certain remark against the incessant attack on Christians unprovoked not just the emergence of boko haram, should be commended. But insurbodinate folks like you will still find excuses to accuse him. Just the catholic, every other Christian especially in the north, had never feel more optimistic like we do now. Say what you want, one thing is certain and that is, Papa Ayo will remain CAN President until his tenure is over and also he has proven he is not a coward that will allow islamists run the affairs of this nation unchallenged.

tonytony208:

can you now see you are truly a hypocrite? I guess your churches also teach you hypocrisy aside special teachings they give you on arrogance and prosperity-by-all-means even if it means "giving unto ceaser what belongs to ceaser (bribery), just like pastor TB did.
You commented the discuss must be left civil, yet you started calling me and catholic church insubordinate. Does that sound civil to you? You are a confirmed hypocrites!

The same Christ that said "woe unto you pharisees" is the same Christ of Matthew 5:39-48. Read it up if you still fancy sensibility.

It is only a daft and backward person that will still see boko haram as a muslim thing. If you are not too blind by hypocrisy, you would have read in my comments that xtians were arrested as being members of boko haram. It is unfortunate that pastor ayo and you Pentecostals still see boko haram as islamic. This is backward thinking, no doubt.

If you are still asking for evidence whether it is illegal to rent out private jet for commercial purpose, then you have big mental problem; it is either you are backward or you are an irreparable hypocrite. Is it legal to use a private car for commercial purpose? Is there no reason why both private and commercial cars are given different colours of number plates? Like i hinted earlier, you are either backward or you are an irredeemable hypocrite.