Ymodulus:



Stop this. Its blatant Lie in the highest order.

Xcapist:


But you do know that nobody is going to heaven, right?

The Christians say that all unbelievers will burn in the lake of fire...that disqualifies the larger percentage of world, the Muslims say the same too. Christians cancel Muslims, Muslims cancel Christians, the rest have already been cancelled by both so who ends up getting in?

Simple maths, nobody. Anyway, it seems like hell is where all the fun's gonna be at. I don't want to float on clouds, with white flowing robes holding unto a harp and chanting amen hallelujah holy eternally! I'll be bored to death. What do you think?

mcfarlin:


God didn't create us as zombies for a reason..

Simpsonrocket:

I live you to God to visit your life since I can't convince you byebye.

Ymodulus:


Why don't we debate on issue of that god free will?

Man you don't have to support that [b]fiery [/b]tale person you call god. He his not a god of free will

Macelliot:
Macof, ur profile text says, "paganism is a default way of life ordained by God."
Then, why are u supporting satanism?

asalimpo:

hav you burnt one bf?
Besides, "that book" , is highly regarded in literary circles. It has enriched d english language more than any other religious book.

asalimpo:


it makes sense to say wat the bible says not giv your private interpretation.
The bible talks of angels who left their first estate, and their place wasnt found in heaven no more.
They would fit d beings who took wives on earth. But d bible is silent on that.
Two, lucifer and his bunch, thought they'll win. Hav they?
Their track record is one of defeat after defeat. Any angel with brains on will see and learn.
He tried a coup in heaven - was thrown out.
He settled in d atmosphere btwn heaven and earth.
Tried to win the earth,since he lost in heaven, Adam was decieved-Earth keys went to satan. Great. Super victory.

God, allowed it,because satan had legal rights to d property-earth.

Satan thought God would forever condemn Man as He did angels-he was wrong. Man, was given a second chance.
Again,Satan lost.

God, promised a deliverer,Satan was on d lookout to kill any who looked like one. Abel went down, many prophets were slain.
Yet,Jesus, was born-satan failed again.

Next,working thru the then king , He incited mass slaughter of babies. But Jesus had left for egypt the night before. Oops! Satan miscalculated again.

Now,He was sure that Jesus was the One. He tried to play subtly.
He threw his temptations.
They backfired!
Satan literally ran out of ideas! Nothg to tempt with again!
Satan lost yet again.

Then he engineered the crucifixion. He was always a murderer. Did it work?
The broke legal laws by killing and innocent man. And till today,He's still regretting.
By this act,He became the ultimate fool.
Not only did he lose in his goal,he lost his previous rights and powers - the power of death and hell.
He was stripped.
Who laughed last?
Jesus rose triumphant.
Satan lost yet again?

Now , each time a person gives his life to Christ Satan winces because such a one has d potential to wreak havoc to his plans. Christianity bcomes like an ebola virus to his kingdom.
He's agenda is now to cause confusion,lethargy, laxness,disinterest in the church.

Eventually, he'll make one last move to forever seal people for hell and win the earth for himself - and he'll lose (on the earth part)

lastly, he has a terrible destiny.
A mere angel , not God , will throw him into his place of torment. In the lake of fire,he'll be howling to.

Would u wanna decamp to som1 with satan's track record?

He's a loser. Big time.

sonOfLucifer:

Fool, what language was the Bible originally written in? King James? Nama. Go educate yourself.

mcfarlin:


*Fairy tale u mean*
Freewill in the sense that you have an option to believe or to do the opposite!

Eternal life and the converse state eternal damnation are not forced upon us but we are allowed the liberty to choose either of the two by our actions or inactions here on earth!

Ymodulus:


God gives us free-will. But why does God punish us for exercising our free-will in certain ways (disobeying Him, sinning)? Why even both to give us free will, if we are to be punished for exercising our free will in a certain way.

I would say that is not really free will. If I give you a glass of water on the table, and say you are free to drink the glass of water, but if you drink it, I will kill you --- Why even bother to give that person the option of drinking the water, when you are essentially hindering his free-will and stopping him from drinking the glass of water?

If I want to carry out an action but in the back of my mind I know it is a sin, I might hesitate to carry out that action if I know God will punish me. Isn't that not obstructing my free-will? Why give me free will, if you punish me for making certain choices I want to make?






If God gave us freedom of choice why does he intervene in human affairs?
I've heard it a zillion times: "God gave us freedom of choice;" the standard answer given by Christians to explain all the evil in the world which God permits, yet, according to the bible, he's been intervening in the world and in human affairs with or without concent since Genesis. He's given credit for the good things, but humanity is blamed for the bad things. How do you explain this apparent contradiction?


Arant Nonsense!!!!!!

Mr man that is not free will. God does not give free will.

Ymodulus:
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I would say that is not really free will. If I give you a glass of water on the table, and say you are free to drink the glass of water, but if you drink it, I will kill you --- Why even bother to give that person the option of drinking the water, when you are essentially hindering his free-will and stopping him from drinking the glass of water?

mcfarlin:




I understand the desire to live life without any hinderances whatsoever or the realization that a supreme being watches over your every activity!

Yet that doesn't change the fact that GOD exists and he's a rewarder of those who diligently seek him

From your writing its pretty obvious that you are agnostic...but am not against anybody's belief the best I can do is to appeal to the hearts of people with the gospel of christ which brings salvation.

Its all good bro CIAO!

mcfarlin:


Describing heavenly things with earthly things now are we?

Your example is flawed in the sense that it doesn't go like this giving the person you created a glass of water to drink

GOD is the self existing one he knows all things and sees all things...in him we live and have our being!

Ymodulus:
are you serious??

Common explain how it relates. Cause except you don't understand what am saying above. My explanation ain't flawed

Ymodulus:



You mentioned nothing in your post. I addressed you with questions of high degree logical priority, and all you can tell me is Am AGNOSTIC or god exists??.


Common I expected more. Let's get to business. Let's open the so called holy books, Quran, bible etc. Let's analyze and debate issues rather than avoiding them with a cheap "am agnostic statement"".



You insult me by terming me agnostic. I am. Atheist. And I believe there is no god. #fact


Signed.

Ymodulus

mcfarlin:


Describing heavenly things with earthly things now are we?



he knows all things and sees all things...in him we live and have our being!

mcfarlin:


Okay I won't argue the evidences of GOD's existence with you cause I know you've read them all and chosen to be an atheist!

Tis useless to argue with a made up mind!

Ymodulus:


Sir I am free minded, am open we can create a new thread sit down as men one on one and let's debate the issue of Gods existence.

On that thread we should talk man to man, heart to heart, with all proves and scriptural / citings and references. Having no biasness.

mcfarlin:


It is flawed the relationship between man and GOD is beyond human comprehension attimes....

#fact GOD created man.

Ymodulus:


Gbam !!! You are closed minded. What can't be understood by humans??

Why should you have a supreme god and you don't understand his ways of acting??


The relationship between god and man can be understood. So stop saying that. Its another lie heralded by those church guys

mcfarlin:


Am not close minded its just that the secret things belong to the most high!

So if you don't believe in GOD what do you believe in?

Ymodulus:




I believe that it is better to preach the gospel of "be good to your fellow man, and love each other as life itself," than to preach the gospel of "believe in our religion or be damned." For it is better to be good to each other and to build on what we all agree to be true, than to insist that we all think alike.

Ymodulus:


I believe in many things. I believe in the potential of humanity, in the power of reason, in the comfort of love, and in the value of truth. I also believe in the beauty and joy of human experience, and the nearly unlimited power of the human will to endure almost any hardship or solve almost any problem.

I believe that faith can mislead people into falsehood, and that we need reason and doubt as necessary checks against our capacity for error. I believe that we need to allow our fellow human beings to make choices for themselves and to live the life they wish to, in mutual peace and goodwill.

I believe that political negotiation and compromise -- fuelled by an honest measure of respect for different opinions, beliefs and lifestyles -- is the only way the world will find universal peace and goodwill, and that using the scientific method is the only way the world can arrive at an agreement on the truth about anything.

I believe that it is better to preach the gospel of "be good to your fellow man, and love each other as life itself," than to preach the gospel of "believe in our religion or be damned." For it is better to be good to each other and to build on what we all agree to be true, than to insist that we all think alike.

kingkaspa:
I love this piece. Poster, please your permission to quote this piece on my wall.

kevoh:


I love this. Nice message bro!

Ymodulus:



[size=24pt]So what do you believe in?[/size]

I believe in many things. I believe in the potential of humanity, in the power of reason, in the comfort of love, and in the value of truth. I also believe in the beauty and joy of human experience, and the nearly unlimited power of the human will to endure almost any hardship or solve almost any problem.

I believe that faith can mislead people into falsehood, and that we need reason and doubt as necessary checks against our capacity for error. I believe that we need to allow our fellow human beings to make choices for themselves and to live the life they wish to, in mutual peace and goodwill.

I believe that political negotiation and compromise -- fuelled by an honest measure of respect for different opinions, beliefs and lifestyles -- is the only way the world will find universal peace and goodwill, and that using the scientific method is the only way the world can arrive at an agreement on the truth about anything.

I believe that it is better to preach the gospel of "be good to your fellow man, and love each other as life itself," than to preach the gospel of "believe in our religion or be damned." For it is better to be good to each other and to build on what we all agree to be true, than to insist that we all think alike.

macof:


Satanism ke? how am I supporting satanism?
btw satan doesn't exist