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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:36pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
WinsomeX:So is this all you could come up with? You lack the acumen to argue scriptures.SMH! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 8:37pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: On behalf of who was Moses speaking? Did he create any law of his own? bad was paid with bad and evil for evil in the old even by God because of the law. The law condemns, it destroys, it kills. But sinners received life and pardon under grace. Grace nullified the effect of sin at the absence of the law. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 8:41pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: If you cannot find your answers in the post I made before that one, I am afraid you have little hope of finding help then. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:42pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
shdemidemi:Why do you call it the mosaic law? [s]bad was paid with bad and evil for evil in the old even by God because of the law. The law condemns, it destroys, it kills. LawNot interested in running round in circles here. This was my question earlier which you couldn't answer: Can you quote a clear scripture where Moses lay a curse on non tithers? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 8:44pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: Bidam: You will do well to heed your own advice. Take those scriptures one after the other and respond to them. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:45pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
WinsomeX:You quoted me the second time when you found your error in your first post. Run along and play in the sand if you have no reasonable thing to contribute to the discuss. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:47pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
WinsomeX:Ok, drummb, do have a nice day. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 8:57pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: Because Moses was used as the intermediary between God and the nation of Israel in the old just as Christ is in the new. Bidam: God Himself laid the curse, isn't that worse for law keepers? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 9:15pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: Bidam: This is what trustman has been trying to etch into your mind: your penchant to leave matters discussed and follow frivolities. I actually responded to your second post before I saw the one before it. There was no error anywhere. I understand it is late and you may not be able to do much tonight but the posts remains for you to respond to when you wish. I promise you that if you can attempt a rebuttal of that post, your Judaism Christianity will give way. Here is the posted quoted for your attention whdn you got the time. Cause and Effect, according to Bidam is sin and be cursed abi? Let's 1 Cor 10: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:29pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: But this happens to be one of your specialties. Are you sure you''re speaking the truth here? Even in this thread you haven't done otherwise. Right in your post above you are doing the same. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:35pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Great evening I had...evening to you all. Bidam...great job 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:51pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Gombs: If what he's doing is a great job then you are all to be very pitied. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:57pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
trustman: Thanks for your pity, you should save it for yourself on your long lost integrity and honesty. Meanwhile, here's a chance to redemption: Can you quote a clear scripture where Moses lay a curse on non tithers? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:36pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Gombs: So, coming back to tithing and the New Covenant believer; if he claims he is tithing according to its mention in the OT, the question then is what is the OT prescription for tithing and is the NT believer following it as stipulated there? If so how? If not exactly so, why? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:05am On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman: I'd take it as you have an answer. Thank you. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 12:13am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs: Do i take it that you are afraid to have a go at it? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:06am On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman:How? You admitted he went wide off tangent quoting irrelevancies that doesn't address my replies to vooks? I'm used to your lame excuses, so what's new? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:12am On Nov 22, 2014 |
WinsomeX:You never did address my reply to initial post. Inside my deut post you quoted your answers were addressed when i said you quoted gal out of context. You strayed off like a dog discussing obadiah and others as if i cared.And you expect me to answer the silliest of all replies you put up here? Men, you gotta think up and tank up. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:14am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs:Gombs my man..How's the IPPC going? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:17am On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman:Save it! I will debate with those who have some common sense, and will answer my questions, but not with you any more. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:25am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: God has a right way he wants things to be done. If you do not follow that his way, no matter how sincere you are, what you do will end up getting his disapproval rather than his OK. Remember Uzzah in 2 Samuel 6? So, if you tithe, you must do it as God says it should be done otherwise it ends up becoming zero before him. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:28am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam:Do you really believe you have demonstrated common sense in these discuss? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:41am On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman:Good back to the tithe issue. Remember instead of drawing me to arguments on the LAW that tithing and any other type of giving (freewill, donations, alms, contributions, etc) are not the basis of our salvation or justification in Christ. The very fact that Paul drew from passages of the OT Law on tithing in order to teach on support and sustenance for preachers of the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 is as a good argument as any to say God want it done his way not trustman's way. The Levitical system of tithing was used to as a principle to encourage giving". If the citation of 1 Corinthians 9:13 does not answer your request, please tell me what system other than the Levitical system Paul was referring to in that verse. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:44am On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman:Yeah i believe this just sums up the base of your rigid anti-tithing preoccupation. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:49am On Nov 22, 2014 |
For God's sake!! When will Christians move past this self-destructive arguments and let others feel free to enjoy how God leads them in their daily lives? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:00am On Nov 22, 2014 |
shdemidemi:Do you agree that a christian who keeps up with deliberate acts of sin without confessing it won't be able to enter the soon coming kingdom of God and that in itself is a curse for the age to come? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 5:35am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: You keep raising new topics. What has deliberate act of sin Of a Christian got to do with the law and corresponding blessings and curse of tithing by the jews? At least, admit God operated between these two separate entities differently, then we can focus on the negative effect of being sinful as a Christian. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 5:45am On Nov 22, 2014 |
[quote author=shdemidemi post=28237780]You raised the issue of cause and effects not me. At least, admit God operated between these two separate entities differently, then we can focus on the negative effect of being sinful as a Christian.Where did i admit you two gospel heresy? Israel was just a prototype of what God by extension want's to do to the whole world. Without that Christianity doesn't have a leg to stand on talk much more of to walk on. This is common bible sense really. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 6:15am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: I mentioned the nation of Israel and Christians, how you came up with two gospel heresy is beyond me. Did God deal with Israel by immediate judgement for their sins? Yes or No Is it the same way with Christianity? Yes or No Whatever your rejoinder answer these two questions sincerely. The adulterous woman was to be killed according to the law, Christianity says go and sin no more. Do they operate on different judgement system? Bidam:Agreed. When you say prototype, the focus must then be on christ, isn't it. Red Sea, blood of the lamb, ark of noah, Joseph preparing a place in Egypt, parables of Jesus et al. These were all shadows of a saviour that is to come. Bidam: Well, I will not question God's wisdom or capability. He chose to present Himself as merciful God through a nation and a people who hypocritically thought they could uphold the law of God. He could have presented jesus in many ways but He chose Israel as the channel through which Christ will visit the world. The plan was never for us to be followers of the law or proselytes of Judaism. The plan was actually for us to be followers of Christ which means 'christian'. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 6:28am On Nov 22, 2014 |
shdemidemi:You agree peter,Hebrews and James was written to you? Did God deal with Israel by immediate judgement for their sins? Yes or NoDepends. Is it the same way with Christianity? Yes or NoYes, the wages of sin is death. Whatever your rejoinder answer these two questions sincerely.Whatever do you mean by this statement? The adulterous woman was to be killed according to the law, Christianity says go and sin no more. Do they operate on different judgement system?Thank God you say Christianity says go and sin no more. Read that verse properly and get back to me whether Jesus was talking to the Jews or to you like you always say. Agreed. When you say prototype, the focus must then be on christ, isn't it.Ok. Well, I will not question God's wisdom or capability. He chose to present Himself as merciful God through a nation and a people who hypocritically thought they could uphold the law of God. He could have presented jesus in many ways but He chose Israel as the channel through which Christ will visit the world. No one can uphold the Law. The law is now written in the hearts of believers not the tablets of stones. The plan was never for us to be followers of the law or proselytes of Judaism. The plan was actually for us to be followers of Christ which means 'christian'.And where did i advocate such in all my write up here? Your friend brought the issue of Gal3 :10 up and i showed him his ignorance on the said scripture, whatever you interpret my write up to be is your headache. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 6:54am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: Is that what we are discussing here. If you like to understand the settings of the bible why don't you wait to discuss that after the topic at hand or open a separate thread for it. Bidam: depends on what? Did He command us to be stoned to death when we go against Him like He did in the old? Bidam:Where did sin get its power to condemn and kill? If there was no law, will there be sin? Romans 7 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence[size=32pt] For without the law sin was dead[/size]. Bidam: When we say a portion of scripture was not directly speaking to the church, we don't mean discard all that was written. The bible says all were written for our learning and the words of Jesus isn't different in that respect. He preached a kingdom and instructed the Jews to keep the message away from non-Israelites. Meaning not every part was primarily addressed to us. Christ represented a shift in the law especially after two years of his earthly ministry. He constantly violates the sabbath. Moreover, go and sin no more does not mean that lady becomes perfect, does it? She will yet sin hence why Christ needed to doe for her and for you on the cross: Not because He sinned but because we sinned and will yet sin. Bidam:Are you sure? Quote the scripture lets peruse together. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:44am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: Great bro... it's something else. I just knew the job to do is even greater. No more dragging irrelevancies here. I'd start an online outreach to the middle east. Alot of grounds to cover bro. For those here who knew how the church should be, I pray they translate it into the physical. How can God tell them how his church should be, and all they do is type all day, criticizing? It's certain, THEY ARE NOT OF GOD. simple. I'm off for the morning session. Cheers 1 Like |
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