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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 3:51pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Image123: Very weird |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:55pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Capital punishment is a legal/governance issue not individual Christian's job. Or do you lynch witches and adulterers? Paul appealed to two examples from Torah; the ox feeding while threshing and Levites/priests eating while serving. The PRINCIPLE in BOTH is not tithing but reward for services rendered. He was no more advocating ploughing using animals than he was the Levitical priesthood What was superseded was the Law. You are no longer under it marvelous as it is. What do you think was nailed to the cross in Col 2:14? Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 3:56pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks: If Pastor Chris hhas a problem with Hagin, he'd not mention him in his messages. What If I give my free will offering is cash, imagine me dancing to the altar with a cheque and sinach's song playing, as the savour of my offering (offer 7) rises up to heaven? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 3:58pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Gombs: @the bolded. Hmmm I very much doubt. I can confidently say that "midas touch" will never make it into your church bookshop, unless you can find a way to expunge chapters 6-8. Its not that friendly with the practices of our popular mog's. There's a reason you didn't see it till nannymcphee brought it to our joint notice. I'm sure you won't argue about this. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 4:02pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
They had silver back during Moses. Give the cheque and then have him slaughter the goat and burn it up. Freewill offerings were not gifts to priests, they were consumed completely. You may light up the wand of cash Correction: Freewill offerings were to be eaten not later than the next day- refer Lev 7:16 Does he stock Midas in his bookshops? Or has ever heard about it? Book is over 12 years Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 4:20pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks: Oga, he said everything before Moses law were superceded by the law (how crappy the thought is), now capital punishment, is before the law, hence not swept away with the law by the new covenant. Tell trustman to explain how he concluded that the law superceded everything before it. As for the colored, nget a dictionary and educate yourself on what capital punishment is, and see whether it matches the crime stated above in contrast to what we have in Genesis. Paul appealed to two examples from Torah; the ox feeding while threshing and Levites/priests eating while serving. The PRINCIPLE in BOTH is not tithing but reward for services rendered. He was no more advocating ploughing using animals than he was tithing. Note the Levites/priests received much more than tithes, they received ALL the offerings Ehen, shey Paul used the OT to teach and indoctrinate the churches, abi? Oga, ask Trustman to explain how he then concluded the NT supercedes ANYTHING before it. What was superseded was the Law. You are no longer under it marvelous as it is. What do you think was nailed to the cross in Col 2:14? Why do you use the O.T. principle to train your children (Pr 13:24; 19:18; 22:15; 23:13-14; 29:15). The NT does not mention saving money, but you do so from Solomon (Pr 6:8; 30:25). It does not mention many godly rules or principles, which were conspicuously lifted from the O.T, yet you are here saying the NT supersedes anything before it. Please study na! There are principles in the OT very very relevant today, like it or not [/quote] 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 4:25pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks: Is like asking T.D Jakes whether he stocks his bookshops with Pastor Chris' materials. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 4:45pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
1. This is jumping from pillar to post. I showed you a verse that Paul yanked verbatim from the OT law that was supposed to be done away with yet he made mention of the same promise in the NT. Now you cannot deny that Christ has redeemed us from the curses of the law and instead you endorse it but when I show that the blessings remained intact from the law you say either that that blessing belongs to all Christians or that aspect of the law has been totally done away with yet you cannot show one verse that suggests so. If the first part of your reasoning was right, then Paul didn't need to mention it specially in Ephesians 6 and if the second aspect is right, then Paul was wrong for infusing an OT teaching into the NT. I don't even see how a blessing in Malachi relates to execution for witches when Malachi relates to a blessing like Exodus 20 does too, meanwhile the execution of witches is worthless to the discourse. 2. Cornelius was an Italian who practiced Judaism and from every indication was the first Gentile to become a christian. You made need to study properly in that area to figure out how the extrabiblical idea of a Nicolaus drinking the Holy Spirit loooong before Cornelius came about. That aside, I mentioned Cornelius to say that even though he was a practising Jew who prayed at their prayer times and gave alms as was their custom the scriptures didn't say he gave tithes yet he must have to be that thoroughly dedicated Jew that he was designated to be. Same with Paul during his Judaistic days yet not a single mention of him tithing was made in the NT and you cannot with a straight face claim he never tithed. So it only behooves the scriptures to tell us how that the Jews were instructed to stop tithing because of the NT and you or the scriptures cannot dare say so. 3. As for your last point on the authorship of Hebrews now is not the time and place but if you are leaning towards the bible 'scholars' who shared that erroneous belief that someone else bar Paul wrote that then you do not know the significance of that book. The quality of information therein cannot be possessed by anyone except Paul. This is an aside from the very obvious fact that the style of writing was exactly like Paul's. I think it explains why some of the clear teachings from that book seem lost on you. For instance, your question on using Goats or grain as a Freewill offering is irrelevant because People used such things as a form of legal tender and they could still be used till date. But the aspect about using Bulls and Goats for atonement of sin has been done away with and that very book of Hebrews expressly stated it along with the many other Jewish ordinances and practices yet A chief practice like tithes wasn't mentioned. vooks: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 4:48pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
The point is for ANYTHING you find in Genesis expounded in the Law,you follow the Law. For instance; 1. SACRIFICES In Genesis, individuals offer sacrifices but in the Laws it is the priests that offer them 2. TITHING You can't possibly purport to tithe according to Abraham or Jacob at the expense of the elaborate regime you find in the Laws. 3. CIRCUMCISION Same case with circumcision. Remember, Genesis is part of the Law. There is nothing like Abrahamic vs Moses circumcision. When the Jerusalem council met in Acts 15, it was the Abraham circumcision codified in the Laws they had in mind That's why am horrified by the tithing brigade when they claim that they are not tithing 'after the Law' but 'by Faith' after Abraham Capital punishment is death sentence. What's your problem sir? There are principles in the OT that we can use today but we can't add to what was already in use by the apostles. Tithing supported priests and the question is what is the principle behind tithing? Is it tithing or something else? Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 4:54pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
I don't know about Jakes. An honest question; does Oyaks stock books by other authors? I mean can you get books by other authors say in your churches? Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by brocab: 4:57pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 5:13pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
It depends on what we want to hold unto as NT or OT. I am sure grace won't excuse any christian that refuses to honor his/her parents that is, even if Paul didn't mention it to the Ephesians. And yes sir, grace does promise that we can live above sin. Also there are not more 'poor' tithers than antitithers. If that were the case what will the poor tithers be defending? Many times, people's convictions of the word is dependent on how much of it they have put to test and proved true. The taste of the Pudding is in the eating they say. I know that Ananias and his wife told lies. But it was their money to give and the judgment was instant inspite of grace. The point being that God still has a prescribed way for doing things and we are expected to follow them. A man who is selfish may lack even if he is hardworking same way an intelligent christian may fail exams if he does not study. Dilligence is also something God expects of us regardless of Grace. Besides, that Malachi 3 referred to Tithes and offerings. So are the offerings non-christian too? Candour: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 5:24pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks:The curse is the penalties someone pays for breaking the law, are Christians free to cheat, lie and steal? For the umpteenth time, tell me the penalty Moses says for non tithers. Yes I have. Deuteronomy 10:16,30:6,Jer 4:4. God required both physical and spiritual/inward/heart circumcision out of Physical Israel. Why don't you do BOTH yet you pretend to be spiritual Israel, following your argument?Paul and the Holy Spirit did not pretend when they wrote to gentile converts that they are spiritual Israel and circumcision and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of God's commandments is what matters. Read your Bible Sir. Start with Leviticus. I repeat,Levitical Laws were ALL the Laws pertaining to Levi the priesthood tribeYou either quote the chapter and verse for us to see where the laws are written for the levites only or you shut it. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 5:31pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks: Please remind us all of why you're weeping for me, thanks. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 5:32pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks: Dear Lord Jesus! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 5:34pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Gombs: Omo, let's stop this thing oh. I didn't know people were so fragile oh, see me see trouble. Vooks is weeping and gnashing teeth already, i no dey this matter again oh. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 5:41pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Actually, in the old testament, a child who doesn't honour his parents and was reported to the religious leaders was stoned to death. Show me a scripture that promises we will be sinless this side of eternity and I'll drop this point. Maybe it escaped me somehow. Also there are not more 'poor' tithers than antitithers. If that were the case what will the poor tithers be defending? Many times, people's convictions of the word is dependent on how much of it they have put to test and proved true. The taste of the Pudding is in the eating they say. I hope you saw how Jeff kept up a ruse of a 'healing' for months? Maybe he'd have eventually died of same if not for Sir John's expose. Tithers really want to believe tithing works and coupled with the teaching not to acknowledge anything negative, who will like to fall his/her own hand? Also with all the ''You're a robber'', ''You're cursed'', ''You'll suffer loss if you don't tithe'' messages from top G.O's, who among them dare refuse except they're ready to damn the 'consequences' and go search for the truth? So they just keep on suffering and smiling. Even your church has poverty stricken folks in abundance all struggling to 'live it up'. We know them bro. I know that Ananias and his wife told lies. But it was their money to give and the judgment was instant inspite of grace. The point being that God still has a prescribed way for doing things and we are expected to follow them. A man who is selfish may lack even if he is hardworking same way an intelligent christian may fail exams if he does not study. Dilligence is also something God expects of us regardless of Grace. Deuteronomy 14:28-29 KJV At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. How about this God prescribed way of treating ALL the tithes of the 3rd year? How faithful are you to it? Or you don't like the blessing attached at the end? Besides, that Malachi 3 referred to Tithes and offerings. So are the offerings non-christian too? I would hazard a guess that the offerings being talked about there are the peace offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, etc which of course you will not be caught dead doing. So no. Those offerings there are not Christian at all. Go to Paul to see what and why Christians give. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:26pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Gombs: Notice I did not say the Mosaic law did not have in it practices that may have been before it. When the Mosaic law came it became the yardstick for the spiritual life of those under it. To that extent it superseded what was before it. Those under it did not need to RESORT to going back to pre-law institutions to live their spiritual lives. So the NT believer today needs to understand what the New Covenant is all about so as to know what is required of him or not. So, coming back to tithing and the New Covenant believer; if he claims he is tithing according to its mention in the OT, the question then is what is the OT prescription for tithing and is the NT believer following it as stipulated there? If so how? If not exactly so, why? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 6:28pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Romans 6:14 KJV For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. That verse says exactly that about living above sin because of grace. I thought I told you before that when we make reference to the OT it is in relation to the blessings there because the blessings are still intact- all of them. As per Jeff and his ruse (if at all it was ever a ruse and not an outright lie) he is living proof that there are adulterations to every good thing. Thank God the words that are being discussed are clear words from the bible. The only debate would be if those words are out-dated and nobody can use a single verse of scripture to assert so. Poverty stricken fellows Is all a matter of time. The guy who was a poverty stricken driver years back today is a prosperity stricken Billionaire. So those 'poverty stricken guys' will become mighty men years later and their testimony will help strengthen the newly recruited 'poverty stricken folks'. What is sauce for Mrs Goose. . . Shay that verse called it Tithes? Then it doesn't matter if it is first or 3rd year. There are blessings attached to tithing. That point is settled. And the offerings there referred to offerings. The offerings needed for meat to be in God's house. So that offering could very well be money in today's Parlance and that kind of offering isn't near being done away with. Cheers. Candour: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 6:38pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Does this verse mean a christian will not tell a lie(sin) or does it mean accepting the gospel declare you righteous(right standing with God through grace) before God without works of the law, which one? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:44pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Hope you're not suggesting that the Christian today can [b]CHOOSE how he wants to go about tithing and expect that God is somehow obliged to accept it even if it does not follow God's prescribed way. The story of Ananias and Sapphira you pointed to some time back should clearly show that the Christian must approach God under His (God's) terms and not as the Christian pleases. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 6:58pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
mbaemeka: We'll need Jo to confirm whether it was a case of belief gone wrong or an outright lie from the start That they're clear words from the bible doesn't make them a rule for Christians. There are many clear words in the bible that Christians do not go near. If you pick tithing for yourself, good for you. Same with the person that decides to practice feast of tabernacles. They however aren't rules for Christians otherwise the apostles would have told us. Shay that verse called it Tithes? Then it doesn't matter if it is first or 3rd year. There are blessings attached to tithing. That point is settled. And the offerings there referred to offerings. The offerings needed for meat to be in God's house. So that offering could very well be money in today's Parlance and that kind of offering isn't near being done away with. You mentioned that God has a prescribed way of doing things and I showed you one example. He didnt just say tithe. He said lay it up for the Levite, strangers, orphans and widows. To you it doesnt matter. I can assure you it matters to God. Do you think a Jew who refuses to carry it out the way God said it there would still be blessed? What if I decide to take the tithe to needy brethren instead of the church? After all Christ even said the least of the brethren represented him? Would the blessing in Malachi still follow? I trust you know the temple of Malachi is now you and I? I am God's temple and you're God's temple. So why can't I as God's building and temple chop the tithe? After all Deut 14:22-26 commands Israel to? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:28pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Candour: What about the work of ministry? What about church staff salaries? What about church projects? What about.. who foots the bill? How should the church take the gospel form say Lagos to Sri Lanka? Remember the words of Hagin in this book? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 7:38pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Gombs: Compromise the Word since there are bills to be met, right? What would you have done if you were part of the early church who were subjected to persecution and trials like serious body harm, mutilation and death as though they were malefactors; if for common bills you will bend God's word? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 7:48pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Gombs: What happens to telling folks what the church needs and letting them contribute generously to it? How do you do your offer 7? What is wrong in coming together as a church and deciding together to contribute a percentage of our income to run legitimate programmes of the church? Is that not how the new testament church lived? I attend bible study sometimes in church of Christ (not COCIN o) and they've been operating on that principle for over 200years and are spread all over the world. Is there any need so great to justify criminally twisting scriptures and threatening children of God with it to coax money out of them? Do we doubt God can do his thing without us deceitfully trying to 'help' him? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:53pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Go siddon jare! You folks know how everything should be done and ran, because you lot understand the bible better, yet no impact, no results, no leadership traits. The gospel would not move, if nkt for monies.... Jesus knew that, that's why he wants us loaded, very very loaded. [KJV] 2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:17pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Candour: Heheheheheh, bobo... I see how far your church has gone, and the impact they make. Yeah, nareow is the way, and only a few find it... noted buddy. Sir, God knows why tithing is instituted today, and it is so that He'd have meat in His house... if He was against it, are you saying he turned a blind eye to it all these years? He must be waiting for the last day to arrest those Pastors who allowed it in their churches. #Classic How can you explain how a Nation like the BLW is richer than alot of countries, and they don’t ask any church or foundation for funds, and they go around the world whenever they like, however they like, spreading the gospel of Christ? Monies bro...Prayer is the bedrock...the vehicle is the monies...lots of it. For example, now, there are 1,162 CE churches in India. Aside prayers, we sent tons of Bibles there, tons of ROR, tons of tracts all in different formats. There are 2 Ce Churches in Japan, there is the underground Ce Church in China, and I think 16 in South Korea. How on earth did you think these happened? Yeah baby! Tithing, Partnership...God opened those windows of heaven, and He sure poured out those blessings. They just sang the BLW anthem, and boy, I scremed my lungs out with "Believers Love World, building a happier world with love" Bobo, if you no wan tithe, leave those who want to, whether you like it or not, tithing will NEVER stop. You cannot block the sun with a finger. I'm out. Partners' conference just entered a higher tempo. Pastor Chris don show stage...bye! Bonus: Rhapsody of Realities is in 550 languages now, the only book with the most translation in the world second only to the Bible, the world's most read book, second only to the bible, and 105million copies were distributed this year Abeg, clap for the Holy Spirit, it was not by power or might... yes, I glory in it... in WinsomeX's words "vain glory" 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 8:30pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Gombs: congrats. but all these by propagating the following lies? Oyakhilome https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/9#8071513 WHY WE GIVE OUR FIRST FRUITS? (THE BENEFITS) and getting some teaching help from the below? Adeboye In Malachi 3:8-11, God said all His children who are robbing Him in tithes and offerings have violated His covenant, and therefore are under a divine curse. However, He says if they will restitute their ways, He will personally rebuke the devourer for their sakes and open the windows of Heaven to them and give them a blessing they will be unable to contain. There are two type of devourers – the ones sent by the devil (John 10:10) and the ones sent by God. To deal with the devourers sent by the devil, simply resist him and he will flee from you as long as you are in right standing before God. [b]But to deal with the devourers sent by God, it is through restitution. You will have to cry to God for forgiveness and thereafter undo what made Him to send the devourers in the first place. Do you owe God in tithes, offerings, thanksgiving or vows? Ask for forgiveness and go ahead and pay what you owe. If it is in tithes, also add 20% as interest being the penalty [/b]for eating your tithes (Leviticus 27:31). Pat Robertson Quoting Malachi, Robertson responded, “Your husband has all these medical problems because the ‘devourer’ has not been rebuked. You need to rebuke him. You give your tithes faithfully and God said, ‘I will rebuke the devourer,’ the person that is eating up your money and eating up your health. So you want to be healthy? That’s a promise in the Word.” sure you're making impact. church of christ isn't my church. I only attend bible studies there. infact the church i attend is smaller so you might want to deepen your disdain 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:34pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
1. There is a promise in Malachi 3 to rebuke the devourer. Before you appropriate it, aks yourself what tithing meant and whether your 10% remotely resembles the subject. The Jews tithed twice per annum and once every three years. Secondly, you, unlike the inspired Paul can't possibly import OT blessings into the NT and 'claim' them. For the last time, the unique blessing of God rebuking the devil on behalf of the tithers and givers (you claim both are in focus) is absent from NT giving messages and this doesn't bother you. Didn't the early church deserve Malachi assurances of not fighting the devourer?. You loosely touch on the question of the relationship between the Law and Grace. Is a Christian free from Moses? Am sure you know the arguments behind this. You want to draw me into them? First, there are those who believe that anything in Torah mentioned/re-emphasized /clarified in the NT is the only valid requirement for a Christian. Others believe everything not expressly forbidden is applicable for them. Still, others look for principles behind every Law and attempt to apply them. This last is the most difficult since it'd take a minimum PhD in theology to decipher every principle behind every Law. None of these is exhaustive. I favor a hybrid. Examples Circumcision- expressly forbidden Adultery- clarified & expressly forbidden Tithing- not clarified,served Levitical priesthood which was done away. It's as valid as any other animal/grain offerings 2. Please study the difference the TWO types of proselytes and where Cornelius fell. Don't recall the names, one was circumcised and paid their tithes, the other just kept some laws. For Peter a Jew to hesitate eating with him gives him away. 3. Please drop the hypocrisy. Nobody knows who wrote Hebrews and there is as much Pauline style there as non-Pauline. My 147 years old KJV reckons it was penned by Timothy. Every attempt to decipher its authorship invariably relies on history and traditions. As the internal evidence is inconclusive. Various people from Calvin,Luther,Jerome and Augustine had differing opinions. Unless of course it was revealed to you by the Spirit that it was Paul who penned it, your guess is as good as vook's or his 150 year old KJV mbaemeka: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:39pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Candour: [size=90pt]Yes[/size] [size=3pt] Now tell you church preaching the truth to wait till judgement day for God to say, we should all go to hell as WinsomeX said we would... I did not imply COC was your church, your church is smaller because narrow is the way, and only a few find it... it's noted[/size] |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 8:44pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Gombs: Good for you then. I did not imply COC was your church, your church is smaller because narrow is the way, and only a few find it... it's noted the members of the body of christ can be found in diverse places all over the world but surely compared to the horde claiming christian today, they are indeed few...very few. Narrow indeed is the way....... |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:47pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
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