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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:45am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: I only wish they knew how much time they're wasting. True gospel preachers indeed. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:05am On Nov 22, 2014 |
[size=5.8pt] Bidam:[/size] If like you said " The Levitical system of tithing was used to as a principle to encourage giving" then the underlying thing we should derive from it is NOT that we should do EXACTLY what the Levitical system said to do BUT that GIVING (as a PRINCIPLE DERIVED from it) should be encouraged. Do you agree with this? It will then be right to say Christians should GIVE whatever they choose to give in line with 2 Corinthians 9:7 "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.". On the other hand it will be WRONG to ask, coerce, pressure, cajole or threaten a Christian to give or be constantly giving a fixed percent of his income. This will go against 2 Corinthians 9:7. The principle is giving. The principle is not in giving a mandatory percentage. There lies the issue. And there is a big difference between the two. The liberty the Christian has in Christ negates the issue of 'forced' tithing. Any teaching asking, cajoling, coercing, pressuring, or threatening the Christian to tithe is therefore deception and outright evil. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:10am On Nov 22, 2014 |
shdemidemi:What were we discussing here? Midas touch? You guys derailed it long ago na? Are you afraid to state your convictions becos of your friends? depends on what?I won't quote those lengthy verses where God delayed judgement when the children of Israel transgressed. You go on a search that why you have the bible. Did He command us to be stoned to death when we go against Him like He did in the old?So adultery is the only example you could come up with? Do you understand that the christian is a spiritual man to start with? Where did sin get its power to condemn and kill?You keep mixing everything up, now how can i addressed this anomaly? Firstly The law is in itself, holy, just, good, and spiritual (Rom. 7:12-14). Before the law the whole world is guilty, and the law is therefore of necessity, a ministry of condemnation, Paul as a purist and a Pharisee was discussing his experience where he had to come to the place of real struggle and bitter conflict between the inner and the outer man. The outer man has a real desire to serve sin but the inner man has a desire to serve and obey the Lord and this is where believers need the strength of the Holy Spirit an not only studying scriptures. The way to manifest victory on the outside and the way to manifest a walk that is worthy of the Lord is to be built up in strength in the inner man and that can be accomplish through praying in tongues( Jude 10). A weak inner man tends to walk the path of sin, a weak inner man can't walk strong on the outside and this is where prayer is vital and important. Pls Christ words is/was addressed to us, Hear Paul : 3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. 1 Timothy 6. Are you sure? Quote the scripture lets peruse together.It's in Hebrews 10:16, but i guess it wasn't written to you. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 8:11am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs: No sensible person without the basic ability or skill to transfer knowledge applies for a teaching job with kids simply because there are shortage of teachers in a community. Such person will leave the children worse than they were. I will tell you the same thing I will probably tell joagbaje (that one has no business behind the pulpit), go back and learn the craft properly before inviting others so you don't become a burden to the body of Christ. You may also do your soul a disservice if you do not consciously play according to God's rule. [size=30pt]2 Tim 2 4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life](accrued money aka my church has more money than the world put together can dream of, self aggrandisement, boastfulness/glorying in frivolities aka my church has more members than yours) ; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. [/size] 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:18am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs: Where do you get how God does this? If it is not from the Word but from man-made rules then maybe it is you who is NOT OF GOD. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:26am On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman:Like i kept on repeating on this forum which you are deaf to is that as long as anti-tithers say that they have no problems with voluntary tithes/tithing, I don't think that some of us here will continue with this line of debate. The problem is are they actually ready to embrace it? In a Christian's walk with God, 1. Giving is not compulsory 2. Prayer is not compulsory 3. Marriage is not compulsory 4. Eating is not compulsory 5. Singing is not compulsory 6. Fasting is not compulsory 7. Going to Church is not compulsory . . . and a whole other things that are not 'compulsory'. The problem with some folks here is the effort to either side or to force each person's own belief upon others. This is unchristian. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:29am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs:My bro. i don tire sef. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:36am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs:Have a wonderful session my man. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:39am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: The real problem is that (and it has been shown even on this thread; examples were sighted) Christians are being 'forced' to COMPULSORILY do those things you have listed as NOT being compulsory. That is the tragedy. It is not the issue of forcing one's belief on another. It is that of simply getting what the scripture says should obtain. In this case: should the Christian give? Yes. "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.". 2 Corrithians 9:7 Must the Christian tithe? No. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:47am On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman: Exactly, it isn't a must. A quick quiz....should a Christian be forced to stop tithing? If yes, why? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:59am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Funny you know what is UnChristian but you don't hesitate prescribing schizophrenia drugs on this thread Nobody will ever tell you that tithing is mandatory. No minister forces you to tithe or give any amount of offering. So on this account, there are no mandatory offering/giving in ANY church. Tithing is not taxation What ministers engage in is MANIPULATION so that members part with more than they otherwise could. How is this accomplished? 1. Carrot- Promises of utopia are constantly flashed before believers as a consequence of tithing or offering. So called 'open heaven', new jobs, stable marriages, health...all these are dangled. Believers are enticed with these things in varying degrees from church to church. And they fall for them. Giving is presented as panacea to ALL their needs 2. Stick- Believers are threatened with DIRE consequences for failing to tithe/give. They range from hellfire,curses,stagnation,losses to demonic attacks and chronic sicknesses If your spiritual authority,somebody you trust tells you you are going to hell for failure to render to him 10% of your income what would you do? Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:03am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Nobody should prescribe to a Christian WHAT to give, they should give without compulsion (threats, manipulation) whatever they purpose in their hearts (not arbitrary FIXED percentages) Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:12am On Nov 22, 2014 |
vooks: Should a Christian be forced to stop tithing? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 9:19am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: If you had bothered to read that post you will see that I adressed much of your misconceptions in the post I was referring you to but at the risk of repeating myself, I will respond to your post and you should do the gentleman and respond to mine. Bidam: Galatians 3:10 said: As many as are the works of the law are under the curse. Two things, what are the works of the law; what was the curse? 1. The works of the law are all the 613 laws of Moses including the ten commandments. For which tithing is one of them. If you think otherwise, show us in scripture. 2. What is THE curse, the one pronounced on any one who broke them. Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Now you will come under that curse as long as you observe the law bc you are certain to break the law. This is the reason Christians are not under that law and cannot be subject to it's curse. We are under a new law: love or the law of Spirit of life. There is no curse in that law; no death. So what is the context of Galatians? You said: What is the setting of these verses of scripture? The issue is HOW is a person justified or saved in the eyes of God. Paul quotes from the JEWISH scriptures to make his point in the matter. The fact that Paul quoted from the Torah does not mean he authorized Christians to live by the Torah. The OT, the Torah, is the foundation on which the new Testament was founded but the changes the New Testament said had occured must be taken to cognisance. So the context of Galatians is NOT how to be justified but how to REMAIN justified or saved. Galatians 3:1 shows clearly that the Galatians were saved already but some came and showed them another way to REMAIN saved, they said they were to e circumcised and to keep the Torah. Paul rejected this and showed that the Christian is justified once and after that is not under obligation to keep the Torah but to walk under a new law of love. That's Galatians and Paul laid out a curse on anyone who preached any other gospel than this; he also said such was cut off from Christ. Galatians is the Christian strength that deliveredus from seeking justification or salvation before God through work, tithing or any such works. Our salvation is complete oncd and for all, and a walk in love is a sign of a truly saved individual not the keeping of the law and certainly not tifhing. The Christian is under a higher law than that of Moses. It demands more of us only in the context of a moral demand that exemplifies charity or love, and that's why Jesus distinguished the Christian law from Moses this way: Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. So the fact that we no longer obey Moses does not mean we are lawless. The Spirit of God still compels us to live right. As for the 1cor 10 i quoted to you, pls read 11. There is no curse on the Christian in that passage. There is cause and effect no doubt. For those under a law of sin and death, the effect was a curse of death. For those under the law of Spirit of life, the effect is always life. They may experience chastening but it is for greater life in Christ. Now let's go to the end of the Bible: This is the commandments in the New Testament: Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. So a christian who goes back to his vomit is not exempted either.Not being able to enter the kingdom is a curse for the age to come. I hope you don't mean that such a Christian will loose his salvation? That will be drawing us backwards. Those who keep God's commandments are Christians justified by grace alone and keeping the law of love. Dogs are unbelievers. As to dogs returning to their vomit, that's your own private interpretation of that scripture. While dogs can retutn to their vomit, the context referred to unbelievers as dogs. What will happen to justified Christians who backslide is not what you and I can decide the side of heaven. The one who saved them is able to keep them safe till the end. That's the story of the NT. That's the gist of Galatians. Now you have two posts to respond to. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:23am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Should a Christian be forced to stop circumcision? Gombs: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 9:24am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bidam: You say he delayed judgement. Why did He have to delay judgement and in most cases why did He destroy some instantly? There is a law. Transgression of these laws are accompanied with penalties, whether delayed or otherwise. The question is if God operates with the church by this same principle. Bidam: Ok, I will give another example. What did the law say about a stubborn son? 18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Does this apply to a christian? Bidam: Can you not just stay within the confines of discourse. Now, you have added prayer, tongues etc. Address the post and stop soaring like one without balance. Bidam: Did the bold statement mean the word of God should not be rightly divided? Was Paul teaching the ministry words of Jesus as recorded in the 4 gospel books? Did the risen Christ (Spirit) not speak to Paul as well? Did Jesus (physical) ever say you need to believe in his death and ascension to be saved? but Paul said that, isn't that message from the Lord Jesus Christ? What does the bible say about jesus' ministry- Romans 15 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision(Jews) for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: What did Jesus say before it became evident that Israel will not accept their king- Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." Bidam: quote am na.. u dey fear! 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:35am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs: Not if he has "decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.". 2 Corinthians 9:7 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 10:03am On Nov 22, 2014 |
vooks: Good question because the trust of Paul's debate was to insist that Christians should not be circumcised. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 10:09am On Nov 22, 2014 |
vooks:I did apologize in my previous post to you. You also are guilty of same. What ministers engage in is MANIPULATION so that members part with more than they otherwise could. How is this accomplished?Your assertions here are your opinions if not backed by facts and statistics. The truth is there are many pastors who teach tithes as voluntary, while others argue that it is mandatory. I have facts to back this claim. National Evangelical Association (NAE) carried out a survey on whether church leaders feel that tithing is "required" from Christians. The result is that 58% do not teach that tithing is "required" while 42% actually do. You may want to see the following - Majority of Evangelicals Still TitheThe point is that there is an overwhelming majority of Christian leaders in Western churches that tithe and teach it on voluntary basis. Now back to our home turf, i saw your quotes of some Nigeria pastors( even though you are not a nigerian) who insist that tithes are compulsory and I don't agree with some views there, but it smacks of gross dishonesty on you and your cohorts to insist and brand that all pastors who even remotely mention tithes/tithing from within Nigeria must by default be preaching a "mandatory" or "compulsory" tithes. Now i am not omniscient so i don't know all the pastors who preach tithing to their congregations in Nigeria; but let me draw from a source even on this forum where a Nigerian pastor stands as an example of voluntary tithes: Pastor Tunde Bakare of LatterRain Assembly - Tithes are to be used to take care of widows, the helpless, and services in the house of God. Why should they come to you to say we want to pay NEPA bills, we want to pay church staff? People that are working in the ministry have to be paid and the organisation has to be run. But it’s never compulsory. If anybody tells you if you don’t pay tithe you will remain tight, greed in his heart is influencing that because Christ has become the cross for us. . . .So i don't think every pastor who preaches tithes should be tarred with the same brush. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:21am On Nov 22, 2014 |
And nobody tarred nobody with the same brush It is the message not the messenger that is confronted. Names are mentioned to demonstrate the reality of the subject; MANIPULATION What do you think are the consequences of teaching tithing as MANDATORY? I compare tithing to circumcision. Somebody taught that circumcision was mandatory for believers in the first century. The disciples never responded by teaching that it was not mandatory, they censured it completely because it was both irrelevant and burdensome for the Church especially Gentiles. An honest minister ought to do the same, not teaching refurbished modernized version of Torah. Tell the members to give according to Pauline formula of 'without compulsion' as 'you purpose in your heart'. Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:06am On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman: Good..But I have decided so, so has million others, why do some guys still hunt me for it? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 11:21am On Nov 22, 2014 |
[quote author=WinsomeX post=28241771]Ok. Galatians 3:10 said: As many as are the works of the law are under the curse. Two things, what are the works of the law; what was the curse?Ok Christ became the 613 laws and bore their curses including the weigthier matters of the law like faith, justice and mercy. Note that love is also a part of the law so what is the curse for not loving God and your neighbor? I get your point. Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:So we inherited the blessings not the curses since Christ bore it on the cross. So what is the context of Galatians? You said:The whole gist of Galatians is that circumcision NOT tithes is not a requirement for salvation any additions to that book is your wishful thinking. Do well to read other books like John and James and Corinthians where these authors encourage Christians to keep the weightier matters of the Law drawn from the very same Torah you are kicking against. Galatians is the Christian strength that deliveredus from seeking justification or salvation before God through work, tithing or any such works. Our salvation is complete oncd and for all, and a walk in love is a sign of a truly saved individual not the keeping of the law and certainly not tifhing.. Yet you sit and accuse Hagin, Myles Munroe, Oyedepo calling and making unchristian comments against them saying they are not heaven worthy. Yawn. You don win. Are you satisfied? I get put off easily when i see long lengthy irrelevancies. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 11:32am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs: Who can even presume to stop your decision to tithe? Nobody has that right after all, we are not in North Korea. What these discussions are geared towards correcting are the lies, wicked manipulations and scriptural misrepresentations in 'powerful teachings' from 'renowned mog' like these below Oyakhilome https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/9#8071513 WHY WE GIVE OUR FIRST FRUITS? (THE BENEFITS) Adeboye In Malachi 3:8-11, God said all His children who are robbing Him in tithes and offerings have violated His covenant, and therefore are under a divine curse. However, He says if they will restitute their ways, He will personally rebuke the devourer for their sakes and open the windows of Heaven to them and give them a blessing they will be unable to contain. There are two type of devourers – the ones sent by the devil (John 10:10) and the ones sent by God. To deal with the devourers sent by the devil, simply resist him and he will flee from you as long as you are in right standing before God. But to deal with the devourers sent by God, it is through restitution. You will have to cry to God for forgiveness and thereafter undo what made Him to send the devourers in the first place. Do you owe God in tithes, offerings, thanksgiving or vows? Ask for forgiveness and go ahead and pay what you owe. If it is in tithes, also add 20% as interest being the penalty or eating your tithes (Leviticus 27:31). Pat Robertson Quoting Malachi, Robertson responded, “Your husband has all these medical problems because the ‘devourer’ has not been rebuked. You need to rebuke him. You give your tithes faithfully and God said, ‘I will rebuke the devourer,’ the person that is eating up your money and eating up your health. So you want to be healthy? That’s a promise in the Word.” Among others too numerous to mention. As long as these lies continue to be promoted by ministers, its inevitable for the hounding to continue. Folks who wish to pay nine-tenths instead of the tenth are free. Its their money but its imperative to let them know the true picture: Those messages up in those quotes aren't Christian in any way and they should stop being promoted as such. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 11:45am On Nov 22, 2014 |
vooks:First and foremost does any one teach here that external circumcision is a mandatory requirement for believers to be saved? Why compare the two? Or have you not heard where Paul says uncircumcision is nothing and circumcision is nothing? This your weak recycled arguments is getting tiresome and boring. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 11:46am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Gombs: How did you decide; because you're trying to avoid a negative consequence of not giving or to make God feel obliged to give you some positive things? Your true motive for deciding is what will determine if it falls in line with scriptural prescription or outside God's approved way of approaching it. Let me ask you this: Does your basis of decision fall in line with 2 Corinthians 9:7? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 12:16pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
shdemidemi:You can ask God or go through your bible. There is a law. Transgression of these laws are accompanied with penalties, whether delayed or otherwise.I already answered this question when i said the wages of sin is death(eternal separation from God). It is when we confess our sins that God sees the blood Of Christ and forgiveness via the work of Christ redemption comes. A christian is not a carnal man but a spiritual man. Ok, I will give another example. What did the law say about a stubborn son?My remarks was a sarcasm that you quoted Jesus addressing a Jewish audience which you say doesn't apply to gentile converts. Can you not just stay within the confines of discourse. Now, you have added prayer, tongues etc.I actually addressed Roman 7:15-25 YOU QUOTED IN CONTEXT too bad if my explanation on how the believer could build up his inner man is lost on you as usual. Did the bold statement mean the word of God should not be rightly divided?What do you understand by rightly dividing the word? YANK OFF A PORTION OF SCRIPTURE FOR JEWISH CHRISTIANS AND ANOTHER FOR GENTILE CONVERTS? Was Paul teaching the ministry words of Jesus as recorded in the 4 gospel books?Is the words of Jesus not applicable to you? Why did you then quote the woman caught in adultery? Did the risen Christ (Spirit) not speak to Paul as well?The risen Christ has a BODY. He did, tell us what He told PAUL. Is it in agreement with what He told the 12? If not can you tell us why? Did Jesus (physical) ever say you need to believe in his death and ascension to be saved? but Paul said that, isn't that message from the Lord Jesus Christ?Yes He did. He said so in John 12:23 AND The thief on the cross is a perfect example.What's wrong with you na? What does the bible say about jesus' ministry-My brother the wall of hostilities is broken when Jesus went to the cross, There is no Jew or gentile, ALL IS ONE IN CHRIST.Do read your bible and stop dividing what God has said is ONE BODY. quote am na.. u dey fear!A shame that someone liked this post without putting his thinking scriptural cap. If you don't have a bible to read tell us. Even if i put up the scripture you would come up with silly remarks to avoid it. The gist of Hebrews 10:16 is that under the new covenant Christ laws are written in the heart of believers, i already said that in my initial post what fear are you now talking about? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 12:23pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 1:04pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
[quote author=Bidam post=28245050][/quote] I was really looking forward to a healthy dialogue with you but as you usual you have found a convenient exit. But knowing that you will still go ahead propagating these errors, I will point out somethings and make it as short as possible since you have problem reading long posts except if you are the one making them. 1. Since the law promised blessing and curses, to reject the curses will include rejecting the blessings too; that's why Christianity is not a pursuit of blessings as many have turned it into today but a pursuit of Christ. Now since we are in Christ already, we do not pursue blessings, we are blessed already: Eph 1:3. 2. The whole gist of Galatians was about the works of the law not making us right in God's eyes. Circumcision was simply a case in point. Galatians is relevant to us today bc folks seek to exalt points of the law like tithing, sabbath, circumcision, etc and need to be reminded of Paul's apeal. Galatians took up new meaning for the Reformers bc in their time the Romish Church exalted works again as means of acceptance with God. 3. And your last point about my views on popular ministers is really not needed except you wish to quote me and pls quote me correctly. If I am critical of them, it always within a context. I have a thread on Munroe right now, you can go there and quote me correctly and not make blanket irrational statements. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 1:17pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman: Yes! I give by faith however. Love propels me |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:18pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
[quote author=WinsomeX post=28248361]You dey make me laff, tithing is now an error see me see wahala. 1. Since the law promised blessing and curses, to reject the curses will include rejecting the blessings too; that's why Christianity is not a pursuit of blessings as many have turned it into today but a pursuit of Christ. Now since we are in Christ already, we do not pursue blessings, we are blessed already: Eph 1:3.I never said a christian is in pursuit of blessings, All the blessings are yes and amen in Christ whether you tithe or don't tithe. 2. The whole gist of Galatians was about the works of the law not making us right in God's eyes. Circumcision was simply a case in point. Galatians is relevant to us today bc folks seek to exalt points of the law likeSabbath yes says Paul, circumcision yes it was quoted verbatim but tithes hell no, No scripture in NT condemns it. Your additions really. 3. And your last point about my views on popular ministers is really not needed except you wish to quote me and pls quote me correctly. If I am critical of them, it always within a context. I have a thread on Munroe right now, you can go there and quote me correctly and not make blanket irrational statements. Did you not call Hagin and Oyedepo false teachers? and say they are going to hell? yes or no? As for Munroe quit the veiled hypocrisy, you never read his books yet you have the nerve to open a thread and talk about a false teaching you heard from his critics. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:32pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
WinsomeX:No need to go to your thread. This is your veiled threat on Myles munroe here. WinsomeX: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 1:36pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
^^ This was another of his classic Which of the people did you say are not around... the WoF brood of vipers that litter the Lag/Ibad expressway , the ones on TBN or the ones whose billboard are all over our streets and television? Oh, if you mean Hagin, ah ... I get you. We don't need him. We have enough of him around to answer queries on his behalf, if they can. https://www.nairaland.com/1939255/bankruptcy-prosperity-gospel-exercise-biblical/7#27281244 WinsomeX the righteous. He called fellow christians who gather to worship as brood of vipers... i don't want to quote the place he declare we are all going to hell. |
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