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Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 12:49am On Oct 03, 2015 |
Patchesagain: 1) The assumption is that Doro Gowon has just been taken over, and the civilians are being there and being subjected to Boko Haram's barbaric interpretation of the world. That's why I mentioned adherence to international law. Apologies to Henry, but I should've made this more clear in the original scenario. 2) Yet another failing on my part; I conceived the whole thing to tease out doctrine on how assets are employed. Can we stick with that for the moment? Or maybe use the same assets Henry used? With reasonable and equal number substitutions as per your concept of ops? 3) As per 2 above, mea culpa for the rushed scenario. You have un-opposed movement in a 50km radius around the landward side of the town. N.B. This is more of a doctrinal demonstration than tactical. Perhaps a purely tactical manoeuvre exercise in future? With a battallion battle group? |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 1:09am On Oct 03, 2015 |
Gentlemen, I shall join battle this weekend. I have free time. Just before I go up for refresher training on desert warfare (you can guess my next posting). |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Centrifude(m): 5:09am On Oct 03, 2015 |
frumentius:South Sudan?? |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 6:28am On Oct 03, 2015 |
Centrifude: We are not deployed in South Sudan, but in Sudan proper, Darfur to be exact. If it were up to me, the battalion in Darfur would be deployed in the DRC (part of SADC), specifically in the provinces of Equator and Orientale, to cut off supply lines to the Kivus. Then again, the politicians make all the decisions and we just maak n' plan! |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Centrifude(m): 7:48pm On Oct 03, 2015 |
frumentius: Ohhh, thanx for the clarification, I've always assumed that the mission was in South Sudan because of all of the instability there no Sudan. Now I'm just confused why we're in the north and not in the South. Why deploy forces in a Country that has an army instead of country that is completely engulfed in civil war? |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by andrewza: 10:33am On Oct 23, 2015 |
Centrifude: We where there before people ever thought there would be a south sudan. We actualy have deplyed to south sudan but on very rare occasions. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 1:38pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
Russian CSAR effort in Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHm2Owpo79Q&feature=youtu.be Regardless of each country's doctrine, Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) broadly comprises 2 planning characteristics: immediate and deliberate. We've just seen both in Syria within the space of a few hours. The immediate appoach failed whilst the latter succeded. The main difference between the 2 is the time required to build a clear intelligence picture. With lives on the line however, the immediate approach often is the only available option. With a fuzzy intelligence picture, one plans to mitigate at least some of the unknowns. In my opinion, and based on the available videos, the Russian execution was tactically inept because of these reasons: 1) there were no ground assets; 2) the pair of Hinds were not adequate to both protect the rescue MI-8s and suppress any hostiles on the ground; 3) no CAS fast jets like the SU-25 Frogfoot. South African doctrine stipulates that all these assets practise and train intensively for both immediate and deliberate CSAR. I imagine Russian doctrine is similar. Now, in their defence, they may well not have enough ground forces in Syria for this. Which is why they utilised Syrian Special Forces in the ground role for the successful deliberate effort. Why were these omitted in the failed immediate effort? I imagine the officer who signed off on this has already been recalled to Moscow. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 3:06pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
frumentius: Same similar problem the Americans had In there failed "Operation Red wings" rescue in Afghanistan. Inadequacy of assets and a rush of blood to the head. The Americans went in with 2 chinook helicopters without air support. A chinook with 24 navy seals was downed, while the lucky second suffered multiple gunshot related damages. I think in both cases, without on the ground Intel chances of success are always going to be very slim....... At most 30% window of success. You know a rescue mission has gone horribly wrong when the rescuers need rescuing. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 3:34pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
Henry240: Which is why you increase your chances of success by deploying appropriately. From the moment that Fencer went down, a drone should've been loitering on-station, a pair of Frogfoots spreading hate on hostiles on the ground. And as seems likely, the Syrian SF weren't immediately available to constitute the ground QRF, at least 4 Hinds should've been deployed. But as you say, probably a rush of blood to the head. I mean, they did things properly just a few hours later! 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by lionel4power(m): 4:48pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
oh wow. so there's a 'discussion' thread. all this e-generals should just calm down, Go enlist in your respective militaries. so basically there's . -the tribute thread. - the picture thread - the online war thread - the discussion thread Cyber generals!! |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 7:08pm On Nov 28, 2015 |
frumentius: I agree, a drone should have been loitering, it would definitely have help the rescue team with situational awareness. A lot of credit should be given to Syrian Special forces and Qasem Soleimani. Great the operation finally succeeded. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 7:56pm On Feb 02, 2016 |
Nigerian Air force unmanned
combat aerial vehicle destroys Boko
Haram logistics base The Nigerian Air Force Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle (UAV) has destroyed a logistics base used by members of the Boko Haram Terrorists (BHT) group. The UAV was on intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) mission when it came across the gathering of BHTs at Garin Moloma, about one kilometre north of the Sambisa Forest. At the time of the UAV attack, the location, though under surveillance for quite a while, had a large gathering of BHTs and vehicles. The multiple explosions and huge fire ball from the location, as can be seen from the enclosed video of the UAV strike, strongly suggests that it may be either an ammunition/ fuel storage or weapons/technical workshop. This strike is thus a major setback for the Boko Haram Sect, and a major plus for the fight against insurgency by own troops. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 8:52pm On Feb 02, 2016 |
i hope our SBS teach these ship hijackers a bloody lesson. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 9:12pm On Feb 02, 2016 |
Nigerdeltaboi: I'm confident in the ability of our SBS to deal with the problem. However this government needs to thread carefully, the politics of Nigeria has to be handled in a very matured manner. This government needs GEJ to mediate in the entire regions before things escalate. The current President also needs to be smart with his utterances so that fellow citizens don't feel alienated. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by MikeCZAR: 9:45pm On Feb 02, 2016 |
Expeditionary forces fire support tool. The G7 105mm howitzer.
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Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 9:47pm On Feb 02, 2016 |
Nigerian Navy's Fleet Re-Capitalization continues; As well as NNS Ayam and NNS Siri, the Nigerian Navy has completely refurbished NNS Brass and NNS Yola. These vessels have now entered navy service. Their refits were carried out at the Naval shipyard in Port-harcourt. As soon as i can lay my hands on there photos, i'll post them. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 10:51pm On Feb 02, 2016 |
Video of NAF CH-3A drone destroying boko-haram logistics
base
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5fDPP62_H8 |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 5:12am On Feb 03, 2016 |
Henry240:spot on |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by MikeCZAR: 9:48pm On Feb 03, 2016 |
Giving the JF-17 multi-role jet teeth. Analysis on what impact SA weapon systems would have if they were offered as part of the JF-17 weapons package. In tandem with attractive cost-savings, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) needs to guarantee the availability of current-day as well as emerging technologies, especially in the areas of air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions. http://quwa.org/2016/02/01/could-the-jf-17-thunder-help-south-africa/
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Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 11:28pm On Feb 03, 2016 |
MikeCZAR: This could potentially help you South-Africans. South-Africa needs air frames like the JF-17 and LCA to compete in missile market. Already the political clout of the U.S ensures all NATO members buy missiles from the U.S in varying quantities. Eastern bloc leaning Nations and India would either buy from Russia or co-develop with the Russians. Bhramos et al The Chinese have, Thailand, Pakistan, Malaysia and some eastern bloc countries. Your air force would have been a good source to create awareness, but as we can see, the SAAF lacks the funds. So realistically for your missiles to sell a neutral aircraft like the JF-17 is one of your best bets. 150 + Aircrafts for Pakistan alone, with numbers expected to rise to 250 planes, sales to Nigeria, Sri-Lanka, possibly Egypt, Iran and Azerbaijan. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by MikeCZAR: 6:25pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Better leadership. The Power Of The Rooivalk On Show During A Three Day Demonstration. Members of various Defence Forces, Defence analysts, the Defence Industry and the media are attending a demonstration of the Denel Rooivalk equipped with the Denel Mokopa missile....... http://www.denellandsystems.co.za/press-article/The-Power-Of-The-Rooivalk-On-Show-During-A-Three-Day-Demonstration/113 |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by MikeCZAR: 6:53pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
Henry240:The USA is losing it's dominance in this market. The Metoer BVRAAM and the IRIS-T SRAAM are great examples. European air forces are sourcing/acquiring missiles in that continent. MBDA dominated market. The SAAF is funding the R & D costs of these projects. Maintaining and building skills. The big ticket items like the G5, G6, Rooivalk etc are the only systems SA companies have been struggling to secure orders. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 7:26pm On Feb 04, 2016 |
MikeCZAR: In many quarters, the Gripen NG is considered a better product than the F-35. This doesn't mean the Gripen NG has the political clout to compete with the F-35 in terms of sale. Norway tried going for the Gripen NG, the Americans threatened them back into line. Arms sales is more political than anything else. Europeans would always use European products, but sales would be dictated by washington. SAAF doesn't have the money to induct the systems. To prove viability and product support, the seller has to show it can also support these products in the next 25 - 30 years. Realistically, the JF-17 provides the perfect platform to sell your missiles. That is if china even agrees with product integration. It's a tough market. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by MikeCZAR: 7:52pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
Throw back. Yes I know it is not Thursday. Before the late 90s financial crisis befell Asian country and the deal was scrapped. Apache scalped by Rooivalk in Malaysia Malaysia and South Africa are finalising a deal covering the purchase of an initial eight Denel CSH-2 Rooivalk attack helicopters. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/apache-scalped-by-rooivalk-in-malaysia-533/ |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Henry24o: 10:21pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
I'm sure we've all seen this Janes article on the T-50 Although it looks like a fifth-generation fighter, the T-50 PAK-FA currently lacks many of the systems associated with that class of combat aircraft, and it is doubtful whether they will be incorporated into future production blocks. Source: Sukhoi The presence of the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor at the 2016 Singapore Airshow, and statements from the company about future demand in Asia for more F-35 models to be procured have highlighted the interest in the region for fifth- generation combat aircraft. A number of air forces have a programme to acquire a fifth- generation fighter, but what qualifies an aircraft to carry that label is a "matter of perspective," a US industry representative told IHS Jane's . Russian industry has consistently referred to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA as a fifth-generation aircraft, but a careful look at the programme reveals that this is an 'in-name-only' designation. What qualifies a fighter aircraft as being a next-generation design is more than just having a stealthy-looking shape, said Lockheed Martin representatives. Previously, Russian defence think-tanks had been projecting that the T-50 would be purchased by Asian nations that were already operating some model of the Sukhoi Su-27/30 'Flanker'- series. This would include Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam. China, another major operator of Sukhoi aircraft is developing its own next-generation aircraft in the Chengdu J-20 and Shenyang FC-31. Russian specialists familiar with the T-50 programme state that the aircraft will have trouble gaining traction in the Asian market as the on-board systems offer very little fifth-generation technologies despite what is projected to be a considerably higher price tag than the latest Su-35 'Flanker-E', ordered by China and Indonesia. Both the T-50's NIIP Irbis radar and the NPO Saturn 117S engine that are two of the major subsystems of the T-50 are the same as those installed in the Su-35. Also, a number of the avionics on-board the T-50 and Su-35 are common. Those that will be part of the production-configuration of the T-50 will more likely than not be only incremental or evolutionary improvements over their analogues on- board the Su-35, say the same specialists. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Henry24o: 10:21pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
I'm sure we've all seen this Janes article on the T-50 Although it looks like a fifth-generation fighter, the T-50 PAK-FA currently lacks many of the systems associated with that class of combat aircraft, and it is doubtful whether they will be incorporated into future production blocks. Source: Sukhoi The presence of the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor at the 2016 Singapore Airshow, and statements from the company about future demand in Asia for more F-35 models to be procured have highlighted the interest in the region for fifth- generation combat aircraft. A number of air forces have a programme to acquire a fifth- generation fighter, but what qualifies an aircraft to carry that label is a "matter of perspective," a US industry representative told IHS Jane's . Russian industry has consistently referred to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA as a fifth-generation aircraft, but a careful look at the programme reveals that this is an 'in-name-only' designation. What qualifies a fighter aircraft as being a next-generation design is more than just having a stealthy-looking shape, said Lockheed Martin representatives. Previously, Russian defence think-tanks had been projecting that the T-50 would be purchased by Asian nations that were already operating some model of the Sukhoi Su-27/30 'Flanker'- series. This would include Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam. China, another major operator of Sukhoi aircraft is developing its own next-generation aircraft in the Chengdu J-20 and Shenyang FC-31. Russian specialists familiar with the T-50 programme state that the aircraft will have trouble gaining traction in the Asian market as the on-board systems offer very little fifth-generation technologies despite what is projected to be a considerably higher price tag than the latest Su-35 'Flanker-E', ordered by China and Indonesia. Both the T-50's NIIP Irbis radar and the NPO Saturn 117S engine that are two of the major subsystems of the T-50 are the same as those installed in the Su-35. Also, a number of the avionics on-board the T-50 and Su-35 are common. Those that will be part of the production-configuration of the T-50 will more likely than not be only incremental or evolutionary improvements over their analogues on- board the Su-35, say the same specialists. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Henry24o: 11:38pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
[b]The vessel hijacked by the pirates The Nigerian Navy on Monday in Lagos paraded six suspected pirates it arrested for hijacking an oil tanker. The Chief of Naval Training and Operations, Rear Adm. Henry Babalola, told journalists that the suspected pirates were arrested around Sao Tome after the gang had hijacked the vessel off the coast of Cote d’Ivoire. Babalola said the arrest was made after a fierce gun battle with naval forces that left a suspect dead. ”Before the security forces got to the hijacked vessel, two crew members, an Indian and a Pakistan, had been kidnapped and taken away by two of the gang members. ”The hijackers, after sighting the naval ships, refused to surrender, shut downfall the oil tanker and opened fire on the security agents. ”It was at that point the deceased pirate was gunned down because he came out of the ship to confront the boarding party,” he said. The Naval chief said that the operation was coordinated from the naval headquarters in Abuja and commended navies in the neighbouring countries for their cooperation. Babalola warned pirates to desist from such illegal acts or face the consequences. The captain of the hijacked tanker, Capt. Prilliea Krishna, expressed appreciation to the Nigerian Navy for coming to the crew’s rescue. He pleaded with the navy authorities to help find the two crew members being held hostage by the gang. The pirates had hijacked a Saudi Arabian tanker, MT MAXIMUS, chartered by a South Korean company. The vessel, which was renamed MT ELVIS-5 by the hijackers to conceal it, was loaded with 4,700 metric tons of diesel. The Nigerian Navy deployed three naval ships, NNS OKPABANA, NNS CENTENARY and NNS SAGBAMA to smoke out the hijackers.[/b] 2 Likes
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Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by M14A1: 11:17am On Feb 24, 2016 |
Henry24o: Only people who don't know this are die hard Putin minions. Even Russia tactfully reduced orders to two squadrons and got more su35. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 12:02pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
M14A1: I really don't like to view things through a narrow prism, we have to evaluate properly both sides. Only the guys at UAC working on the T-50 have all the details. idrw.org/indian-air-force-pilots-will-be-allowed-to-test-pak-fa-uac-chief/#more-87936 Hopefully after the indians test the T-50, we would be able to get an independent assessment of the aircraft. -during recent tests, rate of climb of PAKFA was 384m/s. This is with old engines, it should do 400m/s easily with it's new engine. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by M14A1: 12:12pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
Henry240:Don't get me wrong. My independent assessment is based on stealth/avionics. Fifth gen fighters are stealthy missile slinging super computers. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 12:27pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
M14A1: It's RCS is unacceptable for a 5GEN fighter, there are doubts as to if it can super cruise. It's Aircraft Electronics most likely are underpar when compared to the F-35, however like every other thing with the plane, information is scarce to be sure for certain. The best bet for the whole world are the Indian test pilots. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 8:16pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
Now this is hilarious!! [b]Britain's 'Unique' Missiles Have Killed No Daesh Militants The radar-guided "smart missiles" quoted among the reasons for the UK to take part in the airstrikes campaign in Syria have so far killed no Daesh fighters. The response to a freedom of information (FOI) request by the Huffington Post UK has revealed that no recorded casualty has been attributed to the Brimstone missile since the start of the strikes in December. In the FOI answer, the UK Ministry of Defense said that only seven people have been hit by British strikes so far— it is unknown whether they were killed or just wounded. Five of the casualties resulted from US- made Hellfire missiles, while the remaining two were brought about by Paveway IV bombs. Brimstone missiles— £100,000-each — resort to radar and laser technology to hit targets precisely. They had previously been extolled by cabinet figures, including Prime Minister David Cameron, who said that they would "cut off the head of the [Daesh] snake". The government actually built part of its case for British intervention on the Brimstone missiles. Since only the UK and Saudi Arabia have access to these particular missiles, the cabinet’s narrative went, the RAF's intervention could actually make a difference. Tory minister David Jones described Brimstones as "unique", while the PM called them "some of the most accurate weapons known to man". It was claimed that such accuracy would reduce civilian kills and reliably hit faraway targets. This argument had nonetheless been disputed ahead of the vote, because Brimstone's anti-tank capabilities can cause harm to other than its intended target. The FOI response said that the much- touted missiles have so far been used only in nine strikes. In addition, the Brimstone missiles' deployment was not kick-started until January, more than a month after the British Parliament voted for the intervention.[/b] |
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