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Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by Anyi3(m): 10:39am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Their looting capacity. One loots higher than the other 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by AJOT99(m): 10:40am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Dr Jonathan should be able to tell us the difference Check my signature for cheap MTN data bundles |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by 4C2215131: 10:40am On Oct 24, 2014 |
donroxy: Spot on. 2 Likes |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by kennosklint(m): 10:41am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Na ifa get d ansa to ur question |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by LaurelP(m): 10:41am On Oct 24, 2014 |
An avenue for our LooterVandross politicians |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by mysticdollar(f): 10:43am On Oct 24, 2014 |
I guess minister e.g minister of education is used in d federal level while minister of state is used in d state level |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by austinbrown: 10:51am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Demdem:ass hole |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by fairheven: 10:52am On Oct 24, 2014 |
mysticdollar:Hi,mysti,sent a pm |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by jcflex(m): 10:52am On Oct 24, 2014 |
0merta: Pls if i may ask, what is nw the duties of PS and dir in ministry. if minister of is for domestic issue, while minister for is mostly international, then i think we should have two president as well, president for and president of. all dis are jst bullshit 2 Likes |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by Davotee(m): 10:57am On Oct 24, 2014 |
If u ask me, na who i go ask? |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by emmykk(m): 10:58am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Minister of state is a minister that is assisting the main Minister in carrying out the duties of a particular ministry.is not neccessary because it is a room to loot or appease politicians. Imagine one minister undertaking all the duties of the 36 states functions in let say agriculture.he will not have time for his or herself or some work will suffer. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by fairheven: 11:00am On Oct 24, 2014 |
donroxy:How does the work of a president relate to a minister an ministries ...comparing "elective position with selective position"? You need to get a grip with politics first..Jonathan can chose to appoint or not to appoint any of those junior ministers.na wa for una reasoning,I saw you talkin about memo been wrongly address to minister or minister for state,seriously?..aren't their more important tins than memos?wat?if we have one minister ,who then will addres memos to the wrong person? |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by crystalzoe: 11:02am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Pennywise:so it is Buhari that will come and abolish it. ha! I laff in Chinese 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by fairheven: 11:03am On Oct 24, 2014 |
emmykk:Do you know how many aids those ministers have..if you do you won't say wat just said |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by cenaboy(m): 11:04am On Oct 24, 2014 |
rocgirl:Dear friends there are differences, because in any Ministery where there are junior ministers(minister of state) are where big spectrum or much resposibilities are and not in all sectors eg Power, Defence, Education encompases much and as such demand a vice or deputy for efficiency |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by Etinosajay(m): 11:04am On Oct 24, 2014 |
emmykk: That means we also need 36 presidents isn't it? Or did they not tell you the 36 states have commissioners? 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by ahizih(m): 11:05am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Not all the ministries has ministers of state, it is only ministries that are politically considered to be wider or larger,the however appoints minister of state to aide the minister especially in concurrent issues,the minister of state reports to the minister in most cases. Nice question,that's why we have been encourage to get a copy of the constitution so we can know better and be more clarified on issues like this. God bless you and other contributors 2 Likes |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by Nobody: 11:08am On Oct 24, 2014 |
0merta: |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by Bimpe29: 11:09am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Firstly, it is not so in all the Ministries. Secondly, it is so to; ensure efficiency & effectiveness in the public sector, to promotes equal representation of States in Federal Executive Council. In a nutshell, it is just like Assistant & Deputy syndrome. It is mainly found in big Ministries such as; Foreign Affairs, Education, Finance, Agric, FCT, Defence etc. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by rattlesnake(m): 11:10am On Oct 24, 2014 |
The spelling |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by Nobody: 11:12am On Oct 24, 2014 |
.........nice!!! But we do have minister of defence and minister of state for defence as well at the federal level........but not @ the state level!!! There s notin like commissioner of defence!!! So I think it could reperesent the real minister and its deputy as people ave said. 0merta: |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by abbakacici: 11:12am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Although we have 30 ministry, Nigerian constitution state that we must have 42 (36+6) minster thus additional 12 more minster have to appointed, this is ensure that all state are represented when executive decision are made during federal executive council meeting which make sense and actually it help in distribution of federal project example stella making sure the allocated new air port in SE goes to her state, or Idris Audu Umar of transport making sure that most federal road in Gombe are improve,But what does make sense, is of each state has minister why should each zone has one. To answered the op question not all ministry have substantive minister and minister of state, only 10 have namely defences, finance, health, education, Federal Capital Development Agency, Agric, Niger Delta, Industry, Trade & Investment, Works, Power and foreign affairs, which has 2 minister of state the main responsible of ministry of state is to act as liaison office between state and federal government this is helpful in situation where state through commissioner need consent contract with minister e.g health, education, Agric, and Finance example ministry of state finance is in charge of monthly revenue allocation to state. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by kamilous(m): 11:15am On Oct 24, 2014 |
they a d xame tin, the only diffrent is dat state minister assign to steal state money while Minister it self( federal) assign for federal money lottery. |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by abbakacici: 11:21am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Tabtab:as he said Agric, health, power, and education act as liaison office, but in case of defence and foreign affair the minister of state act as duty or assistant to main minister because the job might be difficult for on minister while FCT minister and minister of state are just like governor and his deputy while ND minister state just act as spy to make that the substantive minister follow federal character |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by emmykk(m): 11:22am On Oct 24, 2014 |
fairheven:bro white collar job work do not mean you must sweat yourself out like common labourer before we know that the country is not spend too much on them,there should be division of labour.if a governor/deputy suituation exist,VC/DVC,president/vice presido exist.a minister should be assisted. Believe me there is enough work for both of them. On aide,there is a limit aide can go. Ther problem of this country is not money spend on these guys but other major things govt failed to fix. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by 0merta(m): 11:22am On Oct 24, 2014 |
jcflex: The Permanent secretaries are the real, executive heads of their respective ministries while the Ministers and ministers of state are ceremonial heads. The Permanent secretaries climb up the rungs of the civil service and are therefore civil servants while the Ministers and Ministers of states are political appointees that could be booted out anytime the President thinks he/she has fuccked up. Except in few cases, the ministers aren't professionals per se with respect to the ministries they oversee, while the Permanent secretaries in all cases must be specialists and professionals with regards to the ministries they head. That's the reason you see someone like Senator Musiliu Obanikoro that never attempted to write NDA exams being appointed minister of state for defence. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by rockiedink(m): 11:23am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Sensible talk my brother! Fact remains that the position of Minister and the position of Minister of State are two very different positions in the same ministry. They do not preclude each other.... Its like saying because there are permanent secretaries in a ministry then you do not need ministers or because you have directors you do not have a need for divisional heads. If you ask only one person to do all the work, na una go still come back and say the work too dey delay for the ministry. The problem we have in Nigeria is that these positions are not filled on merit but appointed based on party affiliation and rewards. If we can do away with this then you will realize its actually a good way to work. And by the way, the US system that we ape so shamelessly runs the same way; you have a secretary for department (E.g. Treasury Secretary in the Treasury department which is our minster of finance equivalent) then you have a Deputy Secretary AND an Under-Secretary in the same department (ministry) and they are all cabinet ministers. donroxy: 2 Likes |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by DelTel(m): 11:24am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Minister of and Minister for State are both political appointees of the President, Party and coalitions, if any. The anomaly was a creation of the Nigerian constitution which xpressly states every state must have a ministerial slot (promotion of federal character); but trust our politicians, they even upped the ante by often times appointing two ministers from a state adding the formula of another slot to every geopolitical zone. Most large states have always been beneficiaries of these largesse e.g Rivers, Kano, Lagos, Oyo, Anambra with Wike and Ama Pepple from Rivers, Adesina and Ashiru from Ogun etc. Up until when Labaran Maku (formerly state info during Yaradua's tenure) was alleged to have bitterly complained during a Federal Executive Council meeting about Madam Dora sidelining her in the ministry, no rift (or open rift) was ever mentioned between ministers in the same ministry. The President had to share portfolio between them that Maku was given charge of all parastatals in the ministry like NTA, FRCN et al. We would recall that the minister of finance between 1999-2003 was Adamu Ciroma, who was reportedly on the sickbed for most part of the administration while Jubril Martins Kuye (state finance) popularly known to be in charge without hiccups. Also, one could be forced to ask what role is Obanikoro's position in the defence ministry that he is always in the news when we never get to hear about Gusau (defence minister) except for when he reportedly resigned the appointment. The difference and seniority between minister and state minister is neither here nor there; its just an avenue to create jobs for the boys, apologies girls too. Every ministry is adequately manned by civil servants that really do the job not political appointees that mess-up the system most. 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by Cool: 11:25am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Yungwizzzy: I've just had a good hearty laugh. Infact, I'm still ROTFL! |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by fairheven: 11:28am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Bimpe29:Efficiency an effectiveness ba?...wat impact have they made to the life of an average Nigerian?the salary of one minister of state plus that of his Aids...is more than enof to dug hundreds of boreholes in different villages...this is our problem.."thecost of governance is far more than the impact of governance" 1 Like |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by mmb(m): 11:29am On Oct 24, 2014 |
donroxy:dont think pls, be sure before posting something here. |
Re: What Is The Diff Btw A Minister And A Minister Of State In The Same Ministry? by jcflex(m): 11:31am On Oct 24, 2014 |
0merta: from your write up nw, tell me where is the need for minister of. when we have the PS and Dirs to work round clock to assist the minister as the case maybe, and finally report to him. let call a spade a spade we dnt nid any minister of state, it simply what we nigerians can rise up to, they should stop lavishly our resource the way they like at out own detriment. as simple as that |
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