AgentOfAllah:


I'm an academic, so in my academic circles, I freely discuss about my irreligiousity and I'm notorious for shutting religious academics up in my school. To their credit, they're much easier to debate than folks on Nairaland because they are scientifically minded, and are given to reason.

Whenever I visit my parent's home though, I'm a closet atheist, not because my family will harm me, but because my mama is quite the drama queen, so I don't want to ruffle her feathers because no matter what, mummy is mummy, if you know what I mean...

logica:
They are getting cleansed of their sins. He works in mysterious ways.

lastchild:
This thread reminds me my days of atheism,never agreed with anyone about things of God

Never knew I had a spiritual problem which I always refuse to accept its reality whenever it occurs,always looking for a physical excuse to hold onto when ever it manifest

Till it got to a stage I could no longer disregard,I had to run for my dear life,I ran to mountain of fire for back up

The truth of this matter be say,I'll never blame any atheist because I used to be one,I only see them now as people who never had any encounter with anything spiritual,although some of them do but refuse to accept it like I used to

patostation:
This is what false religion has done to many. All the so-called atheists and agnostics were "converted" by false religions' bad fruitage so they have come to see religion in the negative light. Many of them still know that there is 'a God'. That is why under severe illhealth, intense suffering, uncertainty, death of loved ones you often hear atheists cry out: "Oh God, please help me". In essence many "neo-atheists" have nothing against their maker. Their religions of birth have simply failed in letting them know Him.

For now, I wish them luck till the day something will make them know that there is God.

BuddhaPalm:
Once you become an atheist, the first thing that happens is that you kinda become angry.
Why the fvck did they sell me this bullshít. Why is everyone so irrational - unlike the smart, superior me?

So instead of going all kung fu-evangelical on their áss. Why not plant seeds instead. "What if...?" Or generally express your opinion, when asked, without being condescending, disrespectful or combative.
And most patiently hope that someday, they might, in a moment of quiet contemplation have some bulbs go off. "What if I was born a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist or a Traditionalist". "If God loves us so much, why would he burn some of us for - wait! - ETERNITY!","That's incongruent with being all LOVE"

A hole here and a hole there, you have yourself a leaky ship. And once there's a leaky ship, the entire complex is going down, down, down. 

Its only a matter of time.

And finally, arguments are blunt instruments which bloody more than they cut (paraphrasing Chief Dr Robert Greene). Believe me, you will lose quite a few friends - if you are the argument guy.

"If you argue and rankle and contradict, you may achieve a victory sometimes; but it will be an empty victory because you will never get your opponent's good will." -------- Benjamin Franklin

"Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in" --------Isaac Asimov

leofab:
you get spiritual wife?

Peterken05:
you were never an atheist.

MissTeaseMe:

Please share the experience.
I would love to know what "spiritual" encounter drove u back.

I dont think such exists tho i used to believe in spiritual things. Not anymore, but i am open to reason.

Thanks
Will be expecting you reply pls.

lastchild:
yes I do

leofab:
walaha dey oh....

osemeka:
Hope you guys don't mind if I use this simplistic analogy.
I'd say, each of us is like a kid raised by a single mom (called "Life" and have a biological father (called "God". Whether the kid ends up being close to the biological father or not kinda depends on the type of mom in question. Some push the kid away, some take him closer. And the plenty plenty stories the single mom (Life) tells the kids about their dad (God). The mom could say d man is a tough no nonsense somebody who slaps kids in advance before they even commit d crime, hehehe, or that he's an extremely generous somebody always giving out undeserved gifts without asking anything in return. See gobe. And to me these stories may be referred to as "religion".
Either way, I'd say the kid can get along with or without the man, all depending on what he stands to gain or lose.

Insults anyone??

EnlightenedSoul:


Only that it's a poor analogy; tattered, and full of holes.

Not only has God himself now been reduced to absentee 'father' status, but that still leaves us with dozens of very different tales from 3 Billion a "mother life" to decipher, and make sense of regarding said "biological dad/god" (not to mention a very 'bastard' world). So, how exactly does one become close to an absent "biological dad"? And what is there to gain or lose in "getting along" with him - the absent?

@ bold how is that any more dependent upon "mother life" than it is on "father god's" absenteeism?

Well, now that we've waded into completely different waters, I sure hope you have your sewing utensils handy

EnlightenedSoul:


Only that it's a poor analogy; tattered, and full of holes.

Not only has God himself now been reduced to absentee 'father' status, but that still leaves us with dozens of very different tales from 3 Billion a "mother life" to decipher, and make sense of regarding said "biological dad/god" (not to mention a very 'bastard' world). So, how exactly does one become close to an absent "biological dad"? And what is there to gain or lose in "getting along" with him - the absent?

@ bold how is that any more dependent upon "mother life" than it is on "father god's" absenteeism?

Well, now that we've waded into completely different waters, I sure hope you have your sewing utensils handy

osemeka:


Not all biological dads are so "absent" o. Abi don't u see celebrity couples and their drama? perhaps it takes a kid raised by a single parent to get what I was tryin to say. Depending on how their lives have been, some rily want to get to know that their other parent, some dislike them, while some are indifferent.

BuddhaPalm:



@ Bolded, great!

Usual progression: Religious => Atheist => Agnostic => Pantheist => Who knows...

Once you become an atheist, the first thing that happens is that you kinda become angry.


Why the fvck did they sell me this bullshít. Why is everyone so irrational - unlike the smart, superior me? But remember, we humans are all superfluously irrational.

Lol, there's even a book titled Predictably Irrational - makes an interesting read.


If you look closely, you'll see that our irrationality as a specie even borders on idiocy. Take something as you being from Nigeria as an example. In the name of this imaginary entity, you will 'justifiably' discriminate, fight wars and kill people. Well, because they are from a different imaginary entity.

Nationalism is the infantile disease of mankind, said Einstein. He was so right.


Almost every one of our actions is governed by irrationality. Emotions. And emotions take logic to the cleaners all the time, everyday. Logic just doesn't stand a fvcking chance.

When you 'attack' a religious person with your logic, even if you possess the persuasiveness of a serpent, he FEELS affronted. An affront to his God, an affront to his intelligence and an affront to his person.

And under this beautiful atmosphere, there's no way your message could possibly get through. And to make things worse, you are going against thousands of years of momentum...and years and years of conditioning. Your logic is not that strong - though it has it virtues.


Besides, everyone is right, depending on where their understanding is, and where circumstance has placed them.

For example, if you asked a student in Primary 2, "What is 2 - 3?", her answer would be "it cannot go!" Is she wrong?

Good.

"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself." ---- Galileo


So instead of going all kung fu-evangelical on their áss. Why not plant seeds instead. "What if...?" Or generally express your opinion, when asked, without being condescending, disrespectful or combative.

And most patiently hope that someday, they might, in a moment of quiet contemplation have some bulbs go off. "What if I was born a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist or a Traditionalist". "If God loves us so much, why would he burn some of us for - wait! - ETERNITY!", "That's incongruent with being all LOVE"

A hole here and a hole there, you have yourself a leaky ship. And once there's a leaky ship, the entire complex is going down, down, down.

Its only a matter of time.

And finally, arguments are blunt instruments which bloody more than they cut (paraphrasing Chief Dr Robert Greene). Believe me, you will lose quite a few friends - if you are the argument guy.


"If you argue and rankle and contradict, you may achieve a victory sometimes; but it will be an empty victory because you will never get your opponent's good will." -------- Benjamin Franklin

BuddhaPalm:



@ Bolded, great!

Usual progression: Religious => Atheist => Agnostic => Pantheist => Who knows...

Once you become an atheist, the first thing that happens is that you kinda become angry.


Why the fvck did they sell me this bullshít. Why is everyone so irrational - unlike the smart, superior me? But remember, we humans are all superfluously irrational.

Lol, there's even a book titled Predictably Irrational - makes an interesting read.


If you look closely, you'll see that our irrationality as a specie even borders on idiocy. Take something as you being from Nigeria as an example. In the name of this imaginary entity, you will 'justifiably' discriminate, fight wars and kill people. Well, because they are from a different imaginary entity.

Nationalism is the infantile disease of mankind, said Einstein. He was so right.


Almost every one of our actions is governed by irrationality. Emotions. And emotions take logic to the cleaners all the time, everyday. Logic just doesn't stand a fvcking chance.

When you 'attack' a religious person with your logic, even if you possess the persuasiveness of a serpent, he FEELS affronted. An affront to his God, an affront to his intelligence and an affront to his person.

And under this beautiful atmosphere, there's no way your message could possibly get through. And to make things worse, you are going against thousands of years of momentum...and years and years of conditioning. Your logic is not that strong - though it has it virtues.


Besides, everyone is right, depending on where their understanding is, and where circumstance has placed them.

For example, if you asked a student in Primary 2, "What is 2 - 3?", her answer would be "it cannot go!" Is she wrong?

Good.

"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself." ---- Galileo


So instead of going all kung fu-evangelical on their áss. Why not plant seeds instead. "What if...?" Or generally express your opinion, when asked, without being condescending, disrespectful or combative.

And most patiently hope that someday, they might, in a moment of quiet contemplation have some bulbs go off. "What if I was born a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist or a Traditionalist". "If God loves us so much, why would he burn some of us for - wait! - ETERNITY!", "That's incongruent with being all LOVE"

A hole here and a hole there, you have yourself a leaky ship. And once there's a leaky ship, the entire complex is going down, down, down.

Its only a matter of time.

And finally, arguments are blunt instruments which bloody more than they cut (paraphrasing Chief Dr Robert Greene). Believe me, you will lose quite a few friends - if you are the argument guy.


"If you argue and rankle and contradict, you may achieve a victory sometimes; but it will be an empty victory because you will never get your opponent's good will." -------- Benjamin Franklin

EnlightenedSoul:


If they're not absent, then the context of your analogy wouldn't make sense, and their opinion wouldn't 'depend' on "mother life" tales but rather their own experience and time spent.

Anyway, I don't think it makes proper sense in reference to deities/worship/religion.

Chrisbenogor:


Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the post of the year 2014!

yuzedo:

This is my post of the month! I am a big fan of yours, BuddhaPalm...

lastchild:
if you can be able to visit my profile,then look out for my diary thread,whatever thing you read there might sound so stupid and unrealistic but they are real

BuddhaPalm:



@ Bolded, great!

Usual progression: Religious => Atheist => Agnostic => Pantheist => Who knows...

Once you become an atheist, the first thing that happens is that you kinda become angry.


Why the fvck did they sell me this bullshít. Why is everyone so irrational - unlike the smart, superior me? But remember, we humans are all superfluously irrational.

Lol, there's even a book titled Predictably Irrational - makes an interesting read.


If you look closely, you'll see that our irrationality as a specie even borders on idiocy. Take something as you being from Nigeria as an example. In the name of this imaginary entity, you will 'justifiably' discriminate, fight wars and kill people. Well, because they are from a different imaginary entity.

Nationalism is the infantile disease of mankind, said Einstein. He was so right.


Almost every one of our actions is governed by irrationality. Emotions. And emotions take logic to the cleaners all the time, everyday. Logic just doesn't stand a fvcking chance.

When you 'attack' a religious person with your logic, even if you possess the persuasiveness of a serpent, he FEELS affronted. An affront to his God, an affront to his intelligence and an affront to his person.

And under this beautiful atmosphere, there's no way your message could possibly get through. And to make things worse, you are going against thousands of years of momentum...and years and years of conditioning. Your logic is not that strong - though it has it virtues.


Besides, everyone is right, depending on where their understanding is, and where circumstance has placed them.

For example, if you asked a student in Primary 2, "What is 2 - 3?", her answer would be "it cannot go!" Is she wrong?

Good.

"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself." ---- Galileo


So instead of going all kung fu-evangelical on their áss. Why not plant seeds instead. "What if...?" Or generally express your opinion, when asked, without being condescending, disrespectful or combative.

And most patiently hope that someday, they might, in a moment of quiet contemplation have some bulbs go off. "What if I was born a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist or a Traditionalist". "If God loves us so much, why would he burn some of us for - wait! - ETERNITY!", "That's incongruent with being all LOVE"

A hole here and a hole there, you have yourself a leaky ship. And once there's a leaky ship, the entire complex is going down, down, down.

Its only a matter of time.

And finally, arguments are blunt instruments which bloody more than they cut (paraphrasing Chief Dr Robert Greene). Believe me, you will lose quite a few friends - if you are the argument guy.


"If you argue and rankle and contradict, you may achieve a victory sometimes; but it will be an empty victory because you will never get your opponent's good will." -------- Benjamin Franklin

lastchild:
serious one o,my story is in my diary thread in diary section

Its been an unending battle since 2008

leofab:
each time you have a rendezvous with them you bear a demon, if your can remember how many time you had sexx with them in your dream then you know how many demons you have giving birth to!!!!!!

Ishilove:

O ma ga ke... I've read your diary... Does the demons till trouble you?

Bifwoli:
I don't know much about atheists but I do know its a

funny world where muslims don't recognize the Pope,

Jews don't recognize Jesus ,

and Baptists don't recognize each other at the liquor store.

lastchild:
yes,I even had an encounter with her just now which prompted me to be on nairaland just to be awake

Ishilove:

You need to stop spending money on unnecessary rituals. By doing water rituals and all that nonsense, you need to understand that it strengthens her hold in your life. You also need to understand that sin is like fertiliser;it enriches her presence in your life.

One last thing: she has a legal ground to stand, that's why she is so stubborn. What is that legal ground? Your foundation. Go back and ask your parents the circumstances of your birth. Ask questions. Where is your family ancestrally from? Did they worship river idols? Was there any dedication? Are your siblings facing similar situation? There needs to be a proper investigation to completely understand your situation. However, I strongly suspect there's an idol at work here. They're the ones that like this kind of nastiness.

When you understand these circumstances, you need to be genuinely born again. Not born again because you are being oppressed, but born again because you want to hand over the rulership of your life to Jesus. Born again because you recognise the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and you want to be a partaker of that salvation through the mediation of the new covenant; The Covenant of the Blood. The blood which speaks better things than the blood of Abel. You will use the word of God which is power and is life to challenge any satanic oppressor, and with that word which is a hammer that breaks to pieces any stinking rock, you will smite the enemy by their cheekbone.

Then catch the fire. When fire is in your bones, this nasty demon will not be able to possess your body. Believe me, I have seen this fire. It is fearful and devastating. When Hebrew 12:29 declared "our God is a consuming fire", it wasn't a joke. You won't believe it until you see it. I didn't believe it myself until I saw it in the spiritual realm. It raged and boiled was just awful.

I was inside it but it didn't hurt me. I was afraid, so afraid, but the enemy was even more afraid and it consumed him completely.

Now imagine that kind of fire inside your body...what dirty power will be able to come near you??

But first, you need to withdraw that legal ground and then... catch the fire.