Joagbaje:
Hmmm, this thread again.....? Seem naira land is boring so some joagbaje issue is needed around.

@ Gombs Sirjohn is john is just one dishonest guy who love praise of men. My response to this thread explains my true position.

If Jeff claimed he was healed why not let him prove it . Rather john was going behind to polute jeff mind against cooperating with me in the investigation. What's john afraid of.
I will mail my conversation with him to you.

WinsomeX:


We will wait another year, and you guys will do nothing.

Still waiting though... while at it I must establish the cultic connections in your church ; in due time.

SalC:
Gombs sometimes you make me feel like flogging you

The issue here isn't about whether Jo is upright, humble, or truthful. The challenge was for Sirjohn to prove Jeff was not healed of HIV which he has. However he went about it is his choice as an investigator as far as he didn't torture the guy into telling lies.

So if whatever you are going to post won't prove Sirjohn lied, while Jeff was truly healed please save us that and channel that energy towards posting on the rhapsody thread.

christemmbassey:
I never imagine dat ppl like gombs existed in dis world talkless of such claiming to b christians.

Oga gombs, ur god, joagbaje accepted that he delibrately lied, and he apologised dat he actually did not heal anybody, he sat down, scripted, recruited actors and directed those movies and claimed, he did dat for God's glory.

What type of handicap do u suffer dat turns you to dis sorry condition? Jo accepted his lies and u are here making a big fool of urself! I pray the Lord have mercy on you.

Ppl like you make d preaching of d gospel more dificult by d day. Imagine a sensible unbeliever following dis thread. Pls repent.

I expect u to insult me, go on, it will not change ur condition, unless u repent.

Gombs:


I was about typing a concise reply, but common sense prevailed. I'd let you bask in your 'glory'.

Abeg na, no flog me.

Being a while too, I trust you're good ma'am!

Joagbaje:
Hmmm, this thread again.....? Seem naira land is boring so some joagbaje issue is needed around.

@ Gombs Sirjohn is john is just one dishonest guy who love praise of men. My response to this thread explains my true position.

If Jeff claimed he was healed why not let him prove it . Rather john was going behind to polute jeff mind against cooperating with me in the investigation. What's john afraid of.
I will mail my conversation with him to you.

Gombs:






Hello Buddy, being a while. Hope your little girls are even lovier?

Your above writ reeks of well concocted lies. For example, can you show me where Jo either directly or indirectly "accepted that he delibrately lied, and he apologised dat he actually did not heal anybody, he sat down, scripted, recruited actors and directed those movies"?

Are you now the accuser of the brethren?

As for the above bold, can you face God and tell him that this year alone, so far, you've won just 3 persons to Christ? Which one come be sensible unbeliever? You know nothing about soul winning nor gospel preaching. Its not by senses or NL jabs

Emmm..please, next time, Use paragraphs when writing, please.

SalC:
Lol Gombs good morning

[s]There is really no concise reply for you to type[/s].....Joagbaje is a victim of faith, fate, and too easy a trust without verification.

I am not one to believe Joagbaje deliberately lied or recruited anyone to act anything. At least I saw no pointer to that as yet.

My ish with him is "He came to such a public forum, challenged and staked his money for SirJohn to investigate a healing he himself did not verify"

According to him on this thread, he never saw the Lab result proving Jeff has became negative, he didn't also see any doctors certification to this effect.

He merely accepted what Jeff told him without evidence simply because he had "faith" or in his own words, "He was sure the person he prayed for on that day got healed". This is why i said he is a victim of faith and trust, but fate worked against him.

Now he is saying Jeff should prove he was healed since he claimed so expecting us to completely exonerate him and now you too want us to give him a gold medal for being an upright man right?

The truth is, he shouldn't have staked his money on something he didn't see and confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt.

So it not a matter of you defending him, he was lied to by Jeff and he swallowed the lies and also wanted us to believe what he said. He should be thanking SirJohn for making him know the truth, I believe after this incidence, he will have to verify every claim before airing them.

Bros am good, God has be gracious, I thought you have disappeared glad to know you are still here.

And oh I won't flog you joor else who will give me the data you wanted to give me or won't I watch the clip again?

paulGrundy:
^^^ true

Gombs:


Hello buddy. Been a while.

Remain blessed jare

paulGrundy:


Amen, somehow my instincts also had that theory of yours on coercion earlier in this thread, but I can't just jump into conclusions because I don't have proof. Let's just see how things go.

Gombs:





I will wait....hope I won't wait for long as I waited and still waiting for the anti-tithe tract. 10 months don't waka... No action, all noise.

Shey you still blogging? Or you retired? If it's the former, don't forget to take your findings there.

Cc;
Pastorkun

vooks:
PaulGrundy,
Indulge me.
You honestly entertained the idea that;
1. a man who has just been fully healed of HIV would be induced/'coerced' into LYING that he was never healed? Or
2. A man who shamelessly lied that he was healed of HIV would be induced/'coerced' into LYING that he had been coerced into faking the testimony by Joagbaje or his accomplices?

Here are incontrovertible facts;
1. Jeff was HIV+ before the purported healing
2. Jeff remained HIV+ after the 'healing'
3. Jeff claimed to have been healed
4. Joagbaje claimed to have healed Jeff
5. Joagbaje dared SirJohn to investigate this 'healing'
6. SirJohn disproved claims #3 & #4

SirJohn:
Hmmm, is 'coercion' the new mantra for fighting a lost cause?
I will address it in a moment

Gombs:






No doubt.



My point actually. Christembassey an his ilk are bent on proving that.



Noted.



I noticed that. However, I believe a lesson or two have been noted. I too noted alot too.



Nothing wrong with that. His conviction was right, if Jeff played a fast one, assumed or outrightly lied, then, it in no way makes Jo a fraud... Does it?



Now hold on ranger... He wasn't asking Jeff to prove it, I think he asked Sirjohn to verify. Those are two different things. No?



I concur.



Yeah...like I said, a lesson or two were learnt, even though sirjohn was dubious in his dealings to an extent.


Yeah. I'm here o... For the long run. Glad you are here too. You know, I wished majority folks here were able to hold a discussion as apt and objective as you just did. But right from the onset of this thread,...supposed Christians... I can't even express their attitude in proper terms.

Have you noticed, upon our difference in beliefs, you,candour and a handful are able to hold civility in discuss. Thank you




Haven't you? Amazing.
Noted.

Cheers

Joagbaje:
Hmmm, this thread again.....? Seem naira land is boring so some joagbaje issue is needed around.
@ Gombs Sirjohn is john is just one dishonest guy who love praise of men. My response to this thread explains my true position.
If Jeff claimed he was healed why not let him prove it . Rather john was going behind to polute jeff mind against cooperating with me in the investigation. What's john afraid of.
I will mail my conversation with him to you.

paulGrundy:


Honestly, I don't know why I said that. Maybe am so keen on believing the best of Joagbaje, or am finding it hard to swallow the reality of what happened.

paulGrundy:


Honestly, I don't know why I said that. Maybe am so keen on believing the best of Joagbaje, or am finding it hard to swallow the reality of what happened.

SirJohn:
So gombs, show me how you came about your 'coercion' theory or didn't Joagbaje show you this convo between me and him where I told him why I made Jeff an offer?

Or maybe Joagabje should tell us why a member of his church who was supposedly healed of HIV have refused picking his calls

Or better still can you explain why Jeff absconded when he was told a fresh test would be conducted on him

Maybe still he should also explain how either he or Mike was replying me from Jeffs phone even when they claimed that he had absconded and that they could not reach him.

If you claim the investigation isn't over, can you please explain why the hospital that Jeff claimed to have tested negative denied having any such record? what more do you need to trash his claim?

SirJohn:
So gombs, show me how you came about your 'coercion' theory or didn't Joagbaje show you this convo between me and him where I told him why I made Jeff an offer?

Or maybe Joagabje should tell us why a member of his church who was supposedly healed of HIV have refused picking his calls

Or better still can you explain why Jeff absconded when he was told a fresh test would be conducted on him

Maybe still he should also explain how either he or Mike was replying me from Jeffs phone even when they claimed that he had absconded and that they could not reach him.

If you claim the investigation isn't over, can you please explain why the hospital that Jeff claimed to have tested negative denied having any such record? what more do you need to trash his claim?

Joagbaje:
Hmmm, this thread again.....? Seem naira land is boring so some joagbaje issue is needed around.

@ Gombs Sirjohn is john is just one dishonest guy who love praise of men. My response to this thread explains my true position.

If Jeff claimed he was healed why not let him prove it . Rather john was going behind to polute jeff mind against cooperating with me in the investigation. What's john afraid of.
I will mail my conversation with him to you.

Gombs:

I will wait....hope I won't wait for long as I waited and still waiting for the anti-tithe tract. 10 months don't waka... No action, all noise.

WinsomeX:


You wouldn't wait too long for it. It will be done.

A little foretaste:

* Word of Faith is false doctrine.
* Hagin, Copeland, Oyakhilome, etc, are false prophets.
* Doctrine of health and wealth are doctrines of demons.
* Churches like Christ Embassy that practice the core truths of WoF are cults.
* Mormons, like Wofers, believe they are gods.
* One core practice of Mormons, like Wofers, is tithing.
* Divine healing, positive confession, and visions are core practices of Christian Scientists, Wofers.
*Wofers, like Jehovah Witnesses, have a low view of Jesus Christ.
etc.

I must thank vooks again for that book. Excellent work. Wonderful confirmation of the thread by trustman, drummaboy and BabaGnoni on Word of Faith.

Download Kingdom of cults: www.eindtijdinbeeld.nl/EiB-Bibliotheek/Boeken/KingdomOfTheCultsWalterMartin.pdf

So, all this Joagbaje shenanigans are confirmation of the false spirit their belief consist of. The tragedy is that most of it has pervaded Christendom today.

Candour:


Pasitor Jo suddenly finds His online voice again after being "missing in action" Egbon, wey the cash??

My friend Gombs, how u dey? What is this new twist about coercion you and Jo are trying to throw up?

How do you coerce a man 'healed' of deadly HIV to lie against himself and deny his 'great deliverance'? Did SirJohn threaten to kill him?

John 9 tells us the story of a blind man getting healed. The combined forces of the pharisees and rulers of the synagogue couldn't get him to deny the miracle and he was eventually cast out of the synagogue (a terrible punishment then) yet he remained steadfast. Who is SirJohn compared to folks who had power of life and death over fellow humans?

If Jeff truly got 'healed', a thousand SirJohns CANNOT get him to stop telling every living thing about it.

I'm afraid that your premise for this attempt at debunking SirJohn is very weak and unworthy of any rational consideration.....it won't cut it my friend

Cheers

Gombs:


SirJohn, at this point, I have nothing else to drag on here. I've been asked to leave matters be.

Gombs:

Thanks for a whole lot. Hopefully will have coffee with you someday.

Gombs:

For the coercion part, I reserve my comments, and will not burge... if some folks want to see it any way they like, fine with me.