theunusualmoon:
Well guys @Dapo777 can really be caustic at times but let's cut him some slack a little.He may not really mean those words.I guess he's just annoyed we are still christians which,of course, we will always be.
I think the major challenge these atheists have is how they will be percieved by other atheists should they become christians again,considering the fact that many of them mock christians a lot.
I just hope if we succeed at making Dapo see the light he will not refuse to open his eyes for fear of being mocked.

BossTtdiamonds:


I got you message that without God morality would not be in existence..
How else would you Justify your Wish that someone else's sister gets raped?
You'd rape his sister just to get back at him if she was near you innit?

frank317:


Everybody is a victim of typo... You can't be too smart.

Honestly I don't wish his sister be raped. Saying that was the only way I could let him know he was spewing rubbish . Perhaps some one he knew killed her self before being raped and he was joyful at the news

BossTtdiamonds:


"I got you message" I'd admit to you its a typo.. But I do hope you know I write in both american and british english...??
Now @bolded.. There are better ways to do that....

frank317:


Yes there are... Trust me, from the way he had been talking, I doubt if any other way will be effective.

Dapo777:
A mother and her child were walking along a dark street,suddenly two harmed men came out and confronted them,one of the armed men took the child apart and the other one began to hit the woman,punching her really hard,pushed her on the floor and began to hit her, while her son watches in horror.
Meanwhile GOD is sitted on his throne watching this happen.
Me: GOD why don't you do something to stop this man from hurting the poor mother?
GOD: I am not supposed to stop him from harming the mother because that would be interfering with his freewill.
Me: So you want him to be able to exercise his freewill to decide by himself not to hurt the mother again,right?
GOD: Yes exactly.
Me: OK you have preserved the freewill of the man now.
GOD: Yes I have.
Me: What about the mother,is it her freewill to be beaten up by the man?
GOD: Hmmmm,no it's not her freewill.
Me: So that means you are in favour of the armed man's freewill and against the freewill of the mother.
GOD: it seems that way,but that's not how it is.
Me: since you care about everyone's freewill why don't you save the mother since She hasn't done anything wrong to deserve the beating?
GOD: I am not supposed to do that,I am supposed to remain hidden.
Me: So by splitting the red sea into two,turning water into wine,turning a stick into snake,making a tree catch fire without getting burnt,bring a whole human (Jesus) to be the saviour of the world is being hidden? So you would rather be hidden than save the poor woman.
GOD: shutup!!!!!! I am GOD how dare you question me? Don't you know my ways are mysterious! Human comprehension cannot understand me. Just shutup!!
Me: So why do we have the Bible then? Since we cant understand your ways.
GOD: am out!

Tag: theunusualmoon, Honourhim

frank317:


Am honestly tempted to call u a foooool. Can u pls shut the f up if you have nothing to say? No wonder your God is so mean that he could watch his creation suffer and do nothing but blame them for it.

Just see the boldness in which you spill nonsense from your mouth. Yet you think you are being reasonable. Honestly you deserve a slap for thinking this way.

You are actually a devil.

My wish is that your sister be rapped and whenever the time comes she should chose to die by because her death is good for your family.

Dapo777:
A mother and her child were walking along a dark street,suddenly two harmed men came out and confronted them,one of the armed men took the child apart and the other one began to hit the woman,punching her really hard,pushed her on the floor and began to hit her, while her son watches in horror.
Meanwhile GOD is sitted on his throne watching this happen.
Me: GOD why don't you do something to stop this man from hurting the poor mother?
GOD: I am not supposed to stop him from harming the mother because that would be interfering with his freewill.
Me: So you want him to be able to exercise his freewill to decide by himself not to hurt the mother again,right?
GOD: Yes exactly.
Me: OK you have preserved the freewill of the man now.
GOD: Yes I have.
Me: What about the mother,is it her freewill to be beaten up by the man?
GOD: Hmmmm,no it's not her freewill.
Me: So that means you are in favour of the armed man's freewill and against the freewill of the mother.
GOD: it seems that way,but that's not how it is.
Me: since you care about everyone's freewill why don't you save the mother since She hasn't done anything wrong to deserve the beating?
GOD: I am not supposed to do that,I am supposed to remain hidden.
Me: So by splitting the red sea into two,turning water into wine,turning a stick into snake,making a tree catch fire without getting burnt,bring a whole human (Jesus) to be the saviour of the world is being hidden? So you would rather be hidden than save the poor woman.
GOD: shutup!!!!!! I am GOD how dare you question me? Don't you know my ways are mysterious! Human comprehension cannot understand me. Just shutup!!
Me: So why do we have the Bible then? Since we cant understand your ways.
GOD: am out!

Tag: theunusualmoon, Honourhim

Dapo777:
A mother and her child were walking along a dark street,suddenly two harmed men came out and confronted them,one of the armed men took the child apart and the other one began to hit the woman,punching her really hard,pushed her on the floor and began to hit her, while her son watches in horror.

Tag: theunusualmoon, Honourhim

5minsmadness:

Lol!!!!!

Hahahahaahahha!!!

This is not even how God would have answered!

Btw I have seen this conversation. It is a video on the internet where an atheist was trying to make fun of God and ridicule free will.

If you think this is how the Eternal one would have responded you are more ignorant than you sound!

5minsmadness:

SCENARIO 1:
Lets assume the woman is really the mother of this child:-
She just divorced her husband who had no chance at custody of his child in the western law courts which tend to favour women in a divorce. In fact she has been using this child as a sex slave and her ex husband just found out. In fact she is just coming back from a clients place who has just had his way with the child. That is why they are walking along the dark alley at this time of the night instead of being safely in their house. So ex who has been tailing them uses this opportunity to mete out some jungle justice.
Is it wrong? Yes.
Does she deserve it? What do you think.

Swear that the above scenario isn't possible.


SCENARIO 2:
The mother is a drug addict and thief. She has been owing the cartel some money and has refused to pay up. These two men are from the cartel and the beat-up is a warning to pay up. Remember the op said they didn't come to steal anything, just beat her up in front of her son.
Is it in bad taste? Yes.
Is it God's fault she is being beaten for her wrong choices? I don't think so.


SCENARIO 3
The woman went for a rock concert that finished late in the night. Ignoring all common sense to stay where she is and being high on alcohol, she insists on going home at that dangerous time of the night and picks up her son from where she dropped him and trudges home. Even when she sees the dark alley she ignores the warning signs and walks right in. Its like those prophets who deliberately enter the lion's den in ibadan zoo because they want to be like Daniel. Of course they will get eaten.

Is her experience a good one? No.
Will she learn from this experience if she survives it? Hopefully Yes.
Is God to blame for her bad choice in going to a rock concert and coming back late at night? Definitely not. That's free will foe you. YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS.




You see the three different permutations I came up with for that singular scenario? Am sure a more intelligent person can come up with more.

There is a real battle going on, the battle of good and evil over every soul on earth. Unfortunately good and evil don't play by the same rules. Evil is going to do all it can, including smear campaigns to win as many souls as possible; not because evil wins at the end but just to spite the Eternal one by making him lose as many souls a possible.

You have free will. Choose a side. Just remember you and only you will be solely responsible for the consequences.

Dapo777:


In other words,if that woman happens to be your mum you would blame her for being beaten,because according to you it's her freewill to be beaten. Right?

You name suits you perfectly. Madness on display

Dapo777:

This just confirms one of my threads on nl,
You know exactly how GOD would answer and how he wouldn't answer because you are GOD

5minsmadness:

Lol! Yes indeedha! I am 5minsmadness at your serviceha!

But it still doesn't take away the fact that we will all suffer for the choices we make.
It was her freewill to go out late at night despite the dangers.
Neither you or I know the entire scenario and circumstances under which she was being beaten so violently. She could have been an innocent victim. But then again she could have been a murderer herself.

5minsmadness:

Lol!
I don't know how God would answer but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't answer in the childish way you tried to portray in your example.

Dapo777:


You are sure he wouldn't answer that way because you are him that is why you are 100% certain GOD would never say such, because you are GOD.

Dapo777:


You are sure he wouldn't answer that way because you are him that is why you are 100% certain GOD would never say such, because you are GOD.

theunusualmoon:

.........................
I think you should elaborate on this new theory of yours: calling people God.

Dapo777:


Hehehe, regardless of what brought her out at night, the issue is, was it her will to be beaten or the gambit will,GOD must favour one will over the other and I expect him to favour the innocent one's will over the violent's one will,let's assume that the woman was coming from a night vigil, now tell me what reason does GOD have not to save that woman?

5minsmadness:
Also, many of you think that once mosquito bites you then God must be to blame or God must protect each and every christian nd child of God from every bodily harm. This is a wrong and false belief being perpetrated by new age and Pentecostal churches of today. Read how Jesus' apostles and right hand men died. None of them died a nice death. Read also what Jesus said of the men who were killed when the wall fell on them.
But perhaps that is a discussion for another thread.

5minsmadness:

Lol, now you are running around in circles.
You don't just pick something silly off the internet and expect that because it was made by a Whiteman then it must be smart. It wasn't a smart video at all really.

Freewill is essentially the ability to choose . Whether right or wrong, action or inaction, silence or speech. This is freewill. It is different from curcumstance. [size=17]You are in Nigeria not of your own free will[/size] but you can choose to be a corrupt politician or a decent one. The choice is yours.

Lets assume the woman was a murderer going to use her child for ritual, what right has God to save her? Do you see how you cannot judge this case without knowing the whole story?

5minsmadness:
Also, many of you think that once mosquito bites you then God must be to blame or God must protect each and every christian nd child of God from every bodily harm. This is a wrong and false belief being perpetrated by new age and Pentecostal churches of today. Read how Jesus' apostles and right hand men died. None of them died a nice death. Read also what Jesus said of the men who were killed when the wall fell on them.


But perhaps that is a discussion for another thread.

Dapo777:
A mother and her child were walking along a dark street,suddenly two harmed men came out and confronted them,one of the armed men took the child apart and the other one began to hit the woman,punching her really hard,pushed her on the floor and began to hit her, while her son watches in horror.
Meanwhile GOD is sitted on his throne watching this happen.
Me: GOD why don't you do something to stop this man from hurting the poor mother?
GOD: I am not supposed to stop him from harming the mother because that would be interfering with his freewill.
Me: So you want him to be able to exercise his freewill to decide by himself not to hurt the mother again,right?
GOD: Yes exactly.
Me: OK you have preserved the freewill of the man now.
GOD: Yes I have.
Me: What about the mother,is it her freewill to be beaten up by the man?
GOD: Hmmmm,no it's not her freewill.
Me: So that means you are in favour of the armed man's freewill and against the freewill of the mother.
GOD: it seems that way,but that's not how it is.
Me: since you care about everyone's freewill why don't you save the mother since She hasn't done anything wrong to deserve the beating?
GOD: I am not supposed to do that,I am supposed to remain hidden.
Me: So by splitting the red sea into two,turning water into wine,turning a stick into snake,making a tree catch fire without getting burnt,bring a whole human (Jesus) to be the saviour of the world is being hidden? So you would rather be hidden than save the poor woman.
GOD: shutup!!!!!! I am GOD how dare you question me? Don't you know my ways are mysterious! Human comprehension cannot understand me. Just shutup!!
Me: So why do we have the Bible then? Since we cant understand your ways.
GOD: am out!

Tag: theunusualmoon, Honourhim

Dapo777:


If GOD can't protect his children, why is he called GOD? What you are doing is tantamount to a child that support his father who doesn't protect him,but leaves him to face dangers. Of what use is GOD yo you if he can't protect you? Because now you are arguing that it's not necessary GOD protect. Christians what can they not say to defend GOD?

If someone narrowly escaped death,GOD protected the person but If someone died in an accident,then GOD is not supposed to protect every Christians,Cognitive dissonance, I haven't found any Christian free from it.

theunusualmoon:
@Daoo777
All along these few days that we have been having this symposium "on freewill" you have only considered one side of the coin: The stronger party taking advantage of the weaker party(e.g your example: A woman and her son being beaten by bandits at night etc)
Now I want us to consider the weaker party taking advantage of the stronger party.
Consider how Delailah betrayed Samson despite his love for her.
Consider how Antonio Bandera's wife chose to poison him in the movie:Original Sin,despite his love for her.
How about very real life situations such as;
A young vain chap who decides to set up his father and gave information to bandits as to how they can rob his dad of millions just so he can get a few hundreds of thousands to paint the town red.
What's your take on freewill in this scenarios and what would you have had GOD do?

Dapo777:


Look at the statement you made above,it wasn't my will to be a Nigerian or to be in Nigeria, I just met myself here,that's an indication that freewill is an illusion.

Why are you making only negative assumptions about the woman? So that you can support GOD,

Which is you,why can't I use an information I got online if I find sense in it? It's made by a white man doesnt mean it can't make sense,are you a racist? There is a lot of sense in that video and it should serve as an eye opener for those who aren't deep in the pit of self deceit,making yourself subconsciously believe what your instinct knows isn't true.

My point still remains, what if that woman hasn't done anything to deserve the beating,a lot of things like that happen on earth,that analogy was just an example,what about the aluu? Those men that got killed innocently, would you in your right mind say that it was their freewill that got them killed?

asalimpo:


atheists give ur life to Christ and some of ur questions will b answered.

Dapo777:


Good question.
I also have a question, why does GOD interferes in some situations and decides to sit back and watch in other situations where we would normally expect him to interfere? Mr A was involved in an accident but didn't get killed, glory be to GOD,GOD saved Mr A,Mr B also in the same vehicle that was involved in the accident died, they both attend the same church,they both pray do their Christian obligations, Mr B has a family of 5 to Carter for at home, but GOD decided not to save him as he has saved Mr A,is there a reason why GOD should favour some of his children over others, isn't he the same GOD that preached we should love everyone equally and not be partial,would you say it was Mr B time to die despite the fact that he has a lot of responsibilities at home, now that Mr B is dead his wife can't cope, his children are roaming about, hallelujah Gods ways are mysterious, but if Mr B also survived the accident,GOD saved him if he didn't,then God's ways are mysterious