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Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 1:10pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
"The countdown that has proceeded for some six millenniums now nears its zero hour. So close is it that people who were alive in 1914, and who are now well along in years, will not all pass off the scene before the thrilling events marking the vindication of Jehovah's sovereignty come to pass" [size=18pt]The early members of this group are now in their 60's or 70's or older[/size]. Jehovah did not allow the ingathering of this group to begin too soon. The "great crowd," including many of the earliest members thereof, will survive into the "new earth." Survival into a New Earth (1984) p.184-185 "Prophetic information in the Bible about our day details the following: ...The survival of at least some of the generation that saw the beginning of "the conclusion of the system of things." True Peace And Security (1986) p.70 "Some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world." Reasoning from the Scriptures (1989) p.200 1 Like
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Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by vooks: 1:15pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
paulgrundy, Do you share your faith with JWs? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 1:26pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
vooks: What happened? Don't you want me to dispense accurate truth in nairaland? Please if you see any anointed jehovahs witness that was alive in 1914, please show me oh! Am scared the world might have ended, and I don't know. Cc: BERNIMORE/ CANTCLES/ truthislight |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by vooks: 1:35pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
I mean apart from poking holes at their doctrines and failed prophecies, do you personally reach out to them? paulGrundy: |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Emusan(m): 2:23pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
I will soon publish my book titled "why history doesn't favour JWs?" 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 5:51pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
Emusan: BERNIMORE would make a good editor for the book |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 5:59pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
vooks: It seems you do not fully understand how a JW reasons scriptural and view members of other religion. Reaching out to them would result to a spiritual lawn tennis with you guys lobbing scriptures at each other. Except the scales of indoctrination falls off their eyes, then you can now reach out to them. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Longstride: 6:03pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
paulGrundy: |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by vooks: 7:04pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
I know how they reason having interacted with them. I just wondered what else somebody with years of insider experience would put it to good use. Thanks for your labor of love right here on NL paulGrundy: |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Nobody: 9:49pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
I really do not understand what he's on about. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 11:01pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
vooks: I understand the point you are passing across. First of all argueing doctrine with a witness is a red flag that should be avoided, its like pouring water into a basket. JW's are a highly controlled and regulated sect with the tools of manipulative propaganda. They have a theoritical school were witnesses are trained on how to answer questions posed to them during their preaching work with cut and join verses of the scripture. Hence discussions centerd on doctrine should be avoid. Try asking them questions on the legitmacy of the governing body to dispense accurate truth. Question them on the why they think the watchtower is the true religion, and the historical accuracy of their doctrines and predictions.make sure your facts and evidence are intact, but please don't refer them to an 'apostate' website, or a website that criticises JW's. It will shock you when they do not provide rational answers to this questions, because they were not indoctrinated in that aspect (if you want sample of these questions, I can help you with them). High control groups use fear and guilt to recruit and maintain members. Make them see that their views are based on mere sentiments, not the truth. Its not going to be easy, but then its one step at a time. but then be very careful! Because you could be branded as an apostate if you are over-negative about the society, or you are not patient with them thereby risking being shunned by family or friends. The watchtower instructs her members to ignore former members or those who constantly criticisize them and brand them as apostates.The best way to do this is to avoid questions based on watchtower scandals and hypocrisy. I understand how it feels to be indoctrinated I remember during my jobseeking days, one time while preparing for a panel interview, I cramed a whole lot of stuffs from job interview questions website, I got to the venue excited thinking I knew the whole world and that others knew nothing. Just 2 applied questions I was asked which was even within the scope of what I crammed, got me confused, it was then I realized I didn't understand what I crammed. I crammed the material because I felt the questions in its context would be lifted word for word as promised by the author of the site. I got carried away by the claims of experiences the site's administrator said he had, but then I now realized I was wrong! My trust was based on lies! Deception! Misinformation! Misquotes and manipulative propaganda. That's just how to handle jw's. It very painful to realize that all these years you were decieved. That's why am taking to the internet to make new recruits and non-members see the other side of the watchtower that has been covered up, the history that the society tried so hard to edit. The false predictions she tried so hard to rationalize away, so that they would know what they are in for. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 11:36pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
vooks: If after questioning your JW friend, he now admits the the governing body makes mistakes then you can now talk about watchtower scandal or hypocrisy. But then don't always expect 100% results why because JWs most times after realizing the truth about the "truth" still grasp with fear of armaggedon even though they now know its irrational. Most JWs are aware of the deception in their history and doctrine but yet they still stick to it because of fear and guilt. It cause them to be overly aggressive towards the slightest hint of criticisms geared towards the society,I understand why CANTICLES/BERNIMORE is aggressive towards me . The holyspirit is the only person that is 100% succesful. There is something about a personal ecounter with the spirit that changes a man. It changed paul from the most ardent persecutor of the church to one of the greatest apostles of the church. A slight touch of the spirit can not only knock down the heavy scales of indoctrination,it can also make the guilt and fear miraculously disappear. don't ever under-estimate the emotional trauma a JW is going through when coming to terms with watchtower hypocrisy. You cannot make the holyspirit touch a mans heart, but you can create a room for that to happen, through persistent prayers and a ministration of the word of faith. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by vooks: 3:21am On Dec 10, 2014 |
Thank you, This helps a lot I once pinned a JW on the New World Translation. Why it and not any other. They said the translators were highly educated. I said the same could be said of others. They claimed they were also 'inspired'. I asked how they knew that. End of discussion Keep on the good work sir paulGrundy: |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by vooks: 3:25am On Dec 10, 2014 |
I agree you mention doctrine and they dissociate. But some arguments can be knocked down. For instance, how could Jesus die if he was God? Are angels born? Who was the mother of Gabriel? paulGrundy: |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Emusan(m): 8:28pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
paulGrundy: I'm telling you. If you want JWs attention just ask them, do you know Pastor Russell die as polytheistic? Then watch how they will pay attention. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Emusan(m): 8:36pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
vooks: I wonder why a Bible student like JWs always ask this dumb question. Did Jesus live in the nature of God on earth or in the nature man? Let me see how your intellectual will pay way (I didn't direct it to you but to show you how someone who claimed to be rooted in the word of God can be asking such question) |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Emusan(m): 8:57pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
MzNelly: Are you one of them? If yes he said WATCHTOWER teach that some elders who witnessed the event of 1914 WILL BE ALIVE TO SEE THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE PRESENT WICKED WORLD. What do you have to say? If no, I'm sorry this thread isn't for you just grab your seat belt and begin to WATCH(the)TOWER |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Mintayo(m): 9:05pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
Emusan:Abeg pass me the book once its out...lol...https://www.nairaland.com/2032755/party-party-party |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 10:03pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
Emusan: |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by johnw74: 2:19am On Dec 11, 2014 |
paulGrundy: Young JW's, say 20 years of age in 1914 would be 120 years old today. Someone just born in 1914 would be 100 years old today. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 7:42am On Dec 11, 2014 |
johnw74: Its not possible for a baby that was born in 1914, that cannot talk to start claiming that he is an anointed christain. Ok let me work with your 20years analogy. How many JW's that are 120years are still alive today? Do you know that the teaching has been changed several times? The 1980's Jwfacts.com |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Nobody: 10:14am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Emusan:I still don't get you, mister. If they are alive to witness the destruction of the world, so? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 10:46am On Dec 11, 2014 |
MzNelly: If you are smart, you'll know that all anointed JW's of 1914 have died off. What does that tell you? The watchtower aka "accurate truth" is telling lies. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Emusan(m): 10:57am On Dec 11, 2014 |
MzNelly: So, are they still alive now? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Nobody: 11:09am On Dec 11, 2014 |
paulGrundy:I personally know of some of these ones who are still alive. What are you saying? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Nobody: 11:10am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Emusan:Yes Sir. Some of them. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by paulGrundy(m): 11:36am On Dec 11, 2014 |
MzNelly: Please tell me their names and info so that I can go and verify. Please don't forget to send the same information to your governing body. They didn't know persons like that existed before they changed the generations teachings. https://www.nairaland.com/2039305/does-changes-generation-teachings-prove#28781994 Am sure they would revert back to their previous teachings after this piece of "magnificent" information you are about to divulge. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Emusan(m): 11:39am On Dec 11, 2014 |
MzNelly: Please give us their names... |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Nobody: 11:52am On Dec 11, 2014 |
paulGrundy:Ha ha All you're good at is picking on Witnesses Yes, I do know people who gave first-hand info about what it was like in 1914; but to hand out their names to you is ridiculousity of the highest order. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Nobody: 11:54am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Emusan:Why? Do you have an award for them for longetivity? |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Emusan(m): 12:03pm On Dec 11, 2014 |
MzNelly: Yes! Award of the best longevity-liar to WATCHTOWER when they didn't know that 1914 anointed one still alive before they reverted their teaching to overlapping generation. |
Re: Jehovahs Witnesses Alive In 1914 Will Witness The End Of The World» Watchtower by Nobody: 12:06pm On Dec 11, 2014 |
Emusan:Okay, itaff do. |
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