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Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by babestella: 11:15pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Anyway, GEJ until Buhari becomes a pastor, build church and have 100,000 members. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 11:27pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
rufychuks:I don't suggest or say that the military is better. I stated historical facts and asked for what is meant by dividends of democracy. " we know that the military gave us better infrastructure in short time. The airports, federal universities, refineries, and many long roads and bridges were built by the military." |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by babestella: 11:28pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
calaway: Sadly, many NIGERIANS don't see this all because they hate GEJ. I make bold to say that 90% of those who hate GEJ are core muslims from the north and pretentious muslims from the south west. That is a fact, if anyone has a contrary view, let him or her bring it on. The fact remains that we are divided along religious and tribal sentiments, but in all fairness, GEJ has done well, and deserves a second chance to complete the projects he started. I am sure if buharis gets there, he will cancel all ongoing contracts just to tell NIGERIANS how tyranic he still can be. The second niger bridge will be halted automatically so as to hurt the IGBOS. We know all these. Solidly Nigerians will vote for a national party that stands for progress and unity which is PDP. GEJ till 2019. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 11:38pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
calaway: I'll need good proof to whatever you claim Buhari said. Despite that, the present government has also been culpable in saying a lot of inciting and divisive statements. Buhari cannot foist Islam on us, i take that as an empty threat that holds no water. GEJ is president and commander in chief of Nigeria, paid heavily to be. He should do the needful if he knows the people shedding blood and causing mayhem. The current administration has not demonstrated control of larger Nigeria despite having so much money and aid, Nigerian army, police, Navy, airforce, sss, dss etc. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by aspirebig: 11:49pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
A time is coming when all these recyling stuff will end. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Nobody: 12:07am On Dec 21, 2014 |
VOTE FOR PDP.
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Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by HardeyBbee: 2:10am On Dec 21, 2014 |
NgeneUkwenu: its good to see people like you who aren't tribalistic and who still believe in change +1 |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by HardeyBbee: 2:12am On Dec 21, 2014 |
SwagForce1: lmfao |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by pretyu: 2:21am On Dec 21, 2014 |
I'm glad someone is thinking in this line. How can a young adult want to vote for Buhari? It beats me honestly, I am not a GEJ fan but the supposed progressives have failed to present the electorate an option. He recommended Prof DNA and she did marvelously, we all saw what she did at NAFDAC. Is there no credible younger person these grandfathers can endorse, present, recommend, support or facilitate? We are truly good people see how we all came out to support DNA in her last moments even during her burial. Then I ask, what did she do specially? With due respect to the woman she was, her honesty and patriotism, she just did her job. (I love DNA, I'm only being honest like you taught) We have seen so much evil/torture to the extent that we consider everything a favour. Imagine people shouting APC last night because some tipper poured red sand into the pot holes or would I say pits on my street. Today we are all dusty with running noses. We can not continue like this, we deserve better, we can't continue to encourage this recycling. Say a resounding no to Buhari so they get the message. If he wins come 2015 Sen. Tinubu will come out next. They should have given us oga Fashola or present a younger team. Everything na turn by turn if Buhari still get turn when e go reach me? We would have shown GEJ the back door but the choice of oga Buhari is an insult to my intelligence. There are more honest and credible young Nigerians and we all know it. Didn't he raise his sons, you mean none is credible like him? We decide their tenure by there performance, they earn a second if we are impressed. I love you Buhari but we won't all remain on the queue forever. Nigeria good people, great Nation. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by KLand(m): 2:34am On Dec 21, 2014 |
NgeneUkwenu posti=29057628: I'm not convinced by your argument. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by amunites19(m): 9:30am On Dec 21, 2014 |
If to say the younger ones performed well, we will not be talking about this issue. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by felipemadero(m): 2:33pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
I prefer we recycle this time,so long we bring the required change. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by calaway: 9:45pm On Dec 29, 2014 |
Image123: here is your proof; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePJSywwVWZM |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 11:16pm On Dec 29, 2014 |
calaway:This is not substantial proof. Showing pictures of violence and death and attaching Buhari's name to it doesn't mean Buhari did it, that's sentimental. Yes, of course, we all know there was post election violence and I'm not happy about it. But unfairly taking that, and Sharia and Boko haram and tying it all to Buhari without any solid proof is intellectual laziness. If there is any real proof, Buhari would be in police net, except you will say that the current government is incompetent to bring evil doers to book. Your video shows an interpretation of Buhari's campaign speech telling people to protect their votes. This was BEFORE the elections, not after as you claim. Nothing out of the ordinary there, telling people not to allow rigging and manipulation. I understand the passion Buhari has that things should work right. But that passion should not be twisted as inciting violence. If results are not free and fair, it leads to unrest. This is a clear pattern in many parts of the world, whether Buhari says so or not. Black people tend to resort to violence when they feel cheated. This is a proven trend in many parts of Africa. Blaming Buhari is not the solution. How do we get credible elections, free and fair results? How do we curb rigging, these should be focus. In all the nigerian elections not clearly won, there has been unrest and violence, it's a trend thing, not Buhari. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by calaway: 11:43pm On Dec 29, 2014 |
Image123: LISTEN TO HIS SPEECH OR READ THE TRANSLATIONS I CANT FORCE YOU TO SEE BEYOND WHERE YOU ARE WILLING TO LOOK. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by OneNaira6: 11:46pm On Dec 29, 2014 |
OP You realize your nation is a piece of sh1t that's subjected and created solely to fail right? If your people wanted to improve, they wouldn't be trying to uplift a failed dictator that didn't even improve your nation when he ruled as a messiah. That county is backwards and forever would be backwards. As I said in the past, Nigeria is a disgrace to humanity |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 11:59pm On Dec 29, 2014 |
calaway:I already did. That speech was made before elections, yes or no? Why has the government not picked him up if he is responsible for the violence? |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 12:03am On Dec 30, 2014 |
OneNaira6:How can Nigeria be backward and a disgrace to humanity when we are undergoing an alleged TRANSFORMATION AGENDA and do not want Change? That is not consistent. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by calaway: 12:16am On Dec 30, 2014 |
Image123:TELL ME WHAT HE SAID AGAIN AND TRY TO BE ACCURATE THIS TIME. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Nobody: 12:34am On Dec 30, 2014 |
I used to think the PhD holders would help us to find solution to that but I have seen that they are even worse than the old leaders. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 1:29am On Dec 30, 2014 |
calaway:We both know what he said but i will tell you again. Kindly answer the questions i asked first. That speech was made before elections, yes or no? Why has the government not picked him up if he is responsible for the violence? |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by calaway: 9:18am On Dec 30, 2014 |
Image123: why r you not going to the point? ok let me ask you directly did the convener of the gathering request the audience to kill under any circumstance? answer directly then ask your question as this will determine the possibility of discourse. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 4:04pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
calaway:I'll oblige you. The point is that you lied, by saying Buhari made statements after elections. That's unsubstantiated. I didn't see or hear any request to kill UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Now, That speech was made before elections, yes or no? Why has the government not picked him up if he is responsible for the violence? |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by calaway: 8:11am On Dec 31, 2014 |
Image123: HE DID NOT SAY "KILL THEM" ? YOU ARE LIVING A PITIFUL LIFE OF DARKNESS AND LIES. Buhari is president general of the fulani in west africa (miyatti Allah) BUHARI arms and encourages his herdsmen/kinsmen to terrorize armless Nigerians everywhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePJSywwVWZM |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 12:03pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
calaway: You are being dishonest and avoiding my questions even when i have answered yours. I hope you are not a little kid because you're behaving like one. Again, w, That speech was made before elections, yes or no? Why has the government not picked him up if he is responsible for the violence? |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by calaway: 5:24pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
Image123: truthful Little kids are better than adults who tell blatant bold faced lies to sell bad and evil wares. if you can tell the truth for once i will continue with you in discuss. please watch the video again and read also the translations incase u cannot understand hausa, and then tell me if buhari said "KILL THEM" to his audience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePJSywwVWZM |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 1:46pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
calaway: i have being telling the truth while you have being busy playing games. You are proving to be a bigot and averse to common sense. i am not here to support Buhari, but you need to give us real proof of your assertions about him. Calumny and repetitive accusations do not equal to truth. If you like type Buhari is boko haram a million times, or post edited pictures of Buhari and Shekau, that does not equate to truth. That is simply needless propaganda and unnecessary heating up of the polity. Your picture that you posted here said that Buhari made "violent inciting statements AFTER the 2011 elections.". i asked you to provide proof of this, you have not. You have simply decided to 'give a dog a bad name and hang him'. Buhari made statements during campaign, and that was BEFORE elections, not after. In this, you have not told the truth. Now, what were his statements from the video you provided? He said "Firstly you must register, come out and vote. You should guard, protect, escort to the collation centre, and you wait till the result is counted. Anyone who stops you, kill them". This is the translation you gave and i have not at any point denied it. Now, we are dealing according to your translation ONLY. It is clear in this country that politicians and their supporters say things that i think they should not. It is not limited to a particular person or party. If you listen to Metuh, Okupe, Asari-Dokubo, Tinubu and co, you will here stuff that make the ear tingle. But we do not live based on that, do we? Some ACN/APC people promised hell on earth in the last Ekiti gubernatorial elections, what happened? NOTHING. Why? People don't usually respond or resort to violence based primarily on mere talk and campaign. People resort to election violence when they truly feel cheated. When they KNOW that cheating has taken place, broad daylight robbery has taken place. You don't need Buhari or Tinubu or Asari to say anything. The natural african trend is violence when the people feel that their mandate has being stolen. What did Abiola say for election violence to occur in 1993? How many kill thems did Awolowo say when Shagari was said to have won in places that he surely could not have? Was there no violence in the South West? Boko haram was before 2011, your picture lies by insinuating that Buhari made it take effect in a most violent form. No, the present government's callousness, lethargy and ineptitude made Boko Haram what it is today. They should have dealt with it while the fire was gathering, but they showed a lack of concern, and are not bothered because it is only [i]happening in the fringe[/i]s, according to the president. The current government have done nothing concrete about boko haram except for unfounded allegations. They have shown little or no care to the wanton loss of lives. I'm yet to see the president do more than the president of Sri Lanka concerning boko haram. Of course everybody condemns boko haram, please do more than condemn on Twitter through Abati. The current president lives largely in denial and considers boko haram actions as just excesses happening in the fringes. He's not just the president of Abuja or Bayelsa, he should do more and stop finger pointing and playing opposition party politics. Arrest Buhari already if he's the one responsible for boko haram. As far as i know, not one attack has been carried out in Otuoke or Bayelsa or involving the people in power. Instead, the current government has made a lot of money from this crisis. God will definitely judge, but it will be a shame if we do not use the talent, power and opportunities God has given us to better our country. What is GEJ waiting for if he knows the proven sponsors of boko haram? What about Sherif Modu that was indicted? GEJ is president and commander in chief of Nigeria, paid heavily to be. He should do the needful if he knows the people shedding blood and causing mayhem. The current administration has not demonstrated control of larger Nigeria despite having so much money and aid, Nigerian army, police, Navy, airforce, sss, dss etc. You lied here by claiming that Buhari request the audience to kill under any circumstance. Buhari did not request that people be killed UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. Your exaggeration and sentiments are beclouding common sense opinion from you. You have also severally refused to answer simple straight forward questions because they expose your calumny and the ineptitude of the present administration. Again, That speech was made before elections, yes or no? Why has the government not picked him up if he is responsible for the violence? |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by calaway: 3:59pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
Image123: you did not answer my question dirctly. rather you maneuvered and quoted the vid. caption. you are muddling up issues. first off the picture you reference and the video exposed are not in any way related. the pic. caption you have quoted out of context 1st message- buhari made an inciting statement.(following) 2nd message -after 2011 election. (following)3rd message- his supporters who had ......(following)4th message killing innocent...... In an interview he granted to the Daily Sun (Sunday, 8 August 2010), Buhari predicted the outbreak of violence if the 2011 general elections were perceived to be far from free and fair. In the interview, Buhari was asked: “Do you fear for the country, that if we don’t get it right now…?” The interviewer did not complete the question before Buhari interjected, saying: “There may be no Nigeria…, because I draw parallel with Somalia so many times. Somalia-sation of Nigeria; I am scared about that.”Beyond his controversial comments, Buhari’s delayed response to the violent uprisings in the north, in particular his failure to condemn on time the gangs that massacred young men and women carelessly, was at odds with the attributes you will expect to find in a presidential candidate who have long bragged about his nationalist credentials. Even if he did not prompt the rioters, Buhari was obliged as a political leader to caution the radical groups that shouted his name because his name should not be associated with violent conduct. Unfortunately, the statement that Buhari made on Radio Kaduna two days after the unrest started was unhelpful and came too late. It would be politically unwise for Buhari to argue that he did not encourage the rioters and therefore he had no obligation to call them to order. His silence in the face of extraordinary upsurge in violence might have sent the message that he shared the same sentiments as the rioters. in an interview granted to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) by Buba Galadima, the national secretary of the CPC on Monday, 18 April 2011, Galadima used provocative language that was clearly intended to stir up the rioting crowd. The interview was broadcast during the peak of the riots. When he was asked whether Buhari should rise to address his supporters so they could end the violence, Galadima turned polemical. He said the rioters were unknown to Buhari and the CPC, even though they chanted Buhari’s name. He said neither Buhari nor the CPC was keen to talk to the rioters because to do so would convey the impression that the CPC leadership knew the perpetrators and therefore was involved in the violence. Galadima also said the rioters had every right to express anger in any way they wished if they felt their votes had been hijacked Junaid Muhammed, a member of the Northern Political Leaders’ Forum (NPLF), also made a fire-raising comment last year about the possible disintegration of Nigeria if Jonathan emerged as the presidential candidate of the People’s Democratic Party (PDP). Indeed, members of the NPLF, led by irrepressible Adamu Ciroma, had argued that Jonathan’s decision to contest the presidential election posed a major challenge to the divine right of the north to produce a successor to late President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua. In an interview he granted to The Guardian (2 November 2010), Junaid mohammed (who described himself as a member of the People’s Salvation Party -- PSP), was asked what would happen if Jonathan was selected as the PDP’s candidate for the 2011 presidential election. He said angrily: “There would be violence. First, the PDP would never be the same again. People would desert the PDP in droves; secondly, the north is not going to take it hands down. I want to assure that I want you to hold me to this after seeing the way the events shape.” you including bh all have a part to play and you are playing to end GEJ government. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 11:48am On Jan 02, 2015 |
^ We don't need copy and paste, we just need simple answers. That speech was made before elections, yes or no? Why has the government not picked him up if he is responsible for the violence? |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by calaway: 2:19pm On Jan 02, 2015 |
Image123: buhari made many speeches, which speech in question? is it the one he said "kill them" or the one he said "dog and baboon blood" or is it the one with "total sharia on Nigeria" or the one which was pasted in my last post the list is endless actually? copy and past is not a crime especially if it is true and factual. I dont see why referenced facts should disturb you. unless you are not interested in facts r is it u 'l rather believe in lies and mediocrity. the is what the respected Dr. frederick fasheun has to say about Buhari: “General Buhari has often been painted as the Messiah Nigerians have been waiting for. This is turning truth and logic on the head. For the avoidance of doubt, General Buhari is not the saviour Nigeria has been waiting for. The truth is that under Buhari's "Holier-Than-Thou" facade lurks a smelly throat of evil.” and if you like music this is waht fela has to say about buhari:" ANIMAL IN A CRAZED MAN'S SKIN" ENJOY THE SOUND OF WISDOM FROM THE GREAT ONE AGBAMI EDA. TIME 4.16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEMLFwBxrzI |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 2:29pm On Jan 02, 2015 |
Image123:I asked two very clear and simple questions, try and answer them without further drama. I was very straight and specific as to THAT speech. The speech in the video that you claimed was made AFTER elections. |
Re: How Can We Stop Recycling Leaders? by Image123(m): 2:41pm On Jan 02, 2015 |
calaway:I don't care what fasheun or anyone has to say if he can't equally say something about GEJ. The present administration is in no way our messiah as well, they have assured us of that for six years. While i don't revere the view of hemp smokers, you can be sure that fela would have had no kind words for the current administration as well. Obasanjo threw fela's mother from a storey building upstairs. He is one of GEJ's mentors and fathers. That is apart from IBB who is like evil personified, whom GEJ recently called his father. |
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