that is so a catholic and prostant way of think inf it is foolish. Christianity is just a universal form of judaism that why we must leran about the wriitens in the OT. Without the OT the the relgion is incomplete. Before the NT canon was produce what did u think the early christains read

KarmaMod:

I think you proved why Jesus was sent to die, mazaje

abi?

syphillis:

you atheists will die of heart attack one day because of the Christian God

mazaje:


who are where is he?. . .the christain god is nothing but a fraudi say allah is the ultimate god prove to me that he is'nt. . .

mazaje:

Why are christains quick in castigating prophet mohammed and allah as manovalent and dangerous when the jehova of the bible is worse? here are some of his actions according to the bible. . . . .  and there are many many more this is just a tip of the ice berg. . .

God will kill men, have their children smashed, and have their wives raped (Isaiah 13:15-16).

God will punish children for the iniquities of their fathers and distant ancestors (Isaiah 14:21).

God will lay waste to entire cities and make the lands desolate (Jeremiah 4:7).

God will set people, animals, and even plants on fire because of his anger (Jeremiah 7:20).

God will send so much evil that people would rather be dead than suffer (Jeremiah 8:3).

God will give away the property of men, including their wives, to other men (Jeremiah 8:10).

God will kill young men, and their children will die from a famine (Jeremiah 11:22).

God will cause everyone to become drunk so father and son will kill one another (Jeremiah 13:14).

God will not hear the cries of the people or acknowledge their sacrifices (Jeremiah 14:12).

God will make people hungry enough to eat their own children and friends (Jeremiah 19:9).

God will burn entire cities with the inhabitants still inside (Jeremiah 50:32).

God will break people’s bones and knock their teeth out with stones (Lamentations 3:1-16).

God will force fathers and sons to eat each other and scatter their remembrance (Ezekiel 5:10).

God will be comforted by killing everyone with pestilence, plagues, and swords (Ezekiel 5:12-13).

God will lay dead bodies around idols and spread their bones around the alters (Ezekiel 6:5).

God will kill righteous men and forget their good deeds if they ever turn to sin (Ezekiel 18:24).

God will turn daughters into whores and wives into adulterers (Hosea 4:13).

God will kill children when they come out of their mothers’ wombs (Hosea 10:14).

God will tear people apart and devour them like a lion (Hosea 13:.

God will kill children and unborn fetuses because their parents worship other gods (Hosea 13:16).

God will sell the children of Israel into slavery in a far away land (Joel 3:.

God will kill inhabitants of entire cities if they have a corrupt government (Micah 3:9-12).

God will consume every living thing from the face of the earth (Zephaniah 1:2-3).

God will send people to steal Jerusalem, rape the women, and enslave the rest (Zechariah 14:2).

God will send plagues on people and animals to rot away tongues and eyes (Zechariah 14:12-15).

~Lady~:

I'm sorry but it is not a catholic way of thinking. I am catholic look above yours and see my post, thank you. Catholic Church does not put the old testament aside. I said something about the old is the new concealed and the new is the old revealed, that is a saying from the Catholic Church. So please know before you speak. Thanks.

Welcome to nairaland, please can you tell me what jephtah was supposed to do to the first thing that comes out of his house?

that respose was not for you. But i wasn't meaning to insult or offend u i'm neither catholic nor prostant. I'm orthodox. ands orry many romman cathloic think the same way when cocerning the OT. But there are diverse opinions within that camp so it isn't a universal thing in the cathloic church. Sorry if i offend you.

Adam Brody:

Elisha and the Two Bears

(2 Kings 2:23-25)

23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.


Can a very good christian with so much wisdom like sahel explain the beauty, spirituality and kindness of the lord in this passage?

i thought jesus's death was supposed to put an end to sin.

mazaje:

When Joshua informs the Israelites of God’s decision to deliver the city of Jericho over to them, they topple its walls and kill every living thing in the city, except for a single harlot on espionage missions, before burning it to the ground (Joshua 6:16-24). Afterwards, God orders Joshua to infiltrate the city of Ai because he’s delivered it in likewise fashion. The Israelites also set Ai on fire and kill the 12,000 inhabitants running for their lives. The King of Ai is taken prisoner and later hanged (Joshua 8:19-29). Following the victories at Jericho and Ai, God commands Joshua to go on an unbelievable killing spree. The Israelites subsequently murder all the men, women, and children in Makkedah, Libnah, Lachish (along with the King of Gezer and his armies assisting Lachish), Eglon, Hebron, and Debir. Not a single life was spared during these invasions (Joshua 10:28-40).

When word spreads of Joshua’s rapid conquests, a considerable number of cities combine their armies to attempt a victory over Joshua and Israel. The number of resistance forces is “as the sand that is upon the sea shore in multitude,” but God promises to deliver them all to Joshua. Indeed, God remains true to his word and “They smote them, until they left them none remaining.” Joshua then burns their chariots and brutally cuts the hamstrings on their remaining horses (Joshua 11:1-9). After the battle, the Israelite army marches into all the unprotected and defenseless cities that had offered their armies in resistance and kills every living man. In Hazor, the army kills every man, woman, and child before setting the city ablaze. One can only speculate on how many hundreds of thousands of lives God orders Joshua to take in these assuredly disputable accounts.

Following Joshua’s death, God proceeds with his war strategies when the Israelites face Benjamin’s army. As a result of God’s unorthodox command, 22,000 of his own people die in the first battle. The next day, he orders them to face Benjamin once again. This time, they suffer an additional 18,000 casualties. Phinehas, feeling a bit hesitant to lead another hopeless skirmish, asks God if he should take command in another attack against Benjamin. God affirms Phinehas’ inquiry and promises him a solid victory. In the ensuing battle, the Benjamites suffer 25,100 casualties (Judges 20). In this short series of campaigns, God orders his own troops into two battles that his omniscience tells him they won’t win. On the first two days of this monstrous war, during which he wasn’t about to lift a finger to help, he saw to it that 40,000 of his own people would become casualties of needless warfare. Incidentally, the death of a single person initiated these hostilities.

Centuries later, when God “remembers” what the Amalekites did hundreds of years prior to Saul’s leadership, he orders Saul to journey to Amalek where he is to decimate every living thing in the city. Saul only partially obeys by killing every person but saving a few of the best animals for himself. My guess is that he was unaware of how enraged God becomes over such trivial matters. God subsequently revoked Saul’s crown because of his unwillingness to follow exact orders (1 Samuel 15). To me, however, the issue of Saul’s crown isn’t the one of major importance. Personally, I feel that the omnibenevolent God should not have held the people of Amalek responsible for the enterprises of their distant ancestors, but God and I are obviously in constant disagreement.

In the ensuing battle, the Benjamites suffer 25,100 casualties (Judges 20). In this short series of campaigns, God orders his own troops into two battles that his omniscience tells him they won’t win. On the first two days of this monstrous war, during which he wasn’t about to lift a finger to help, he saw to it that 40,000 of his own people would become casualties of needless warfare. Incidentally, the death of a single person initiated these hostilities.

First of all this is the wrong analogy. The murdering of twins is not the same as punishment under law. That is where the problem comes in. You think that those people were put to death for no reason, they were put to death for breaking the law of the land, for voluntarily breaking the law of the land. if this is the case then the death penalty for a man who rapes and kills a 6 yr old girl is also considered murder (the church fights against the death penalty although so that all may be given the chance to repent). Giving birth is involuntary, it was the belief that the evil one is trying to come into the world through the birth of children. It is a superstitous belief. However, being pounished for breaking the law isn't superstitous belief.
The law of the land at that time was that crime basically is punishable by death, it was barbaric. That was the law. not just the law of God, but the law of the land. So whatever Moses said went, especially since he was the friend of God. God didn't come up with the punishment, the men of the land did, God just let them know what they were to be punished for. When someone breaks the rule, the men came up with the punishment.
It's like this, the government makes a rule and says that you will be punished for it, the judge comes up with the punishment. God is the government, Moses is the judge.
The government said thou shall not steal, kill, blah blah blah, the judge says oh you've stolen, killed, blah blah blah here is your punishment.

Judges 11
29 Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD : "If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."

Chrisbenogor:


I want us to talk of a more urgent issue which is the story of jephthah, you and sahel lady have been saying the wrong thing. Lets see what the bible says about it,
Now I will let you redeem yourself by telling us exactly how a burnt offering is supposed to be done, for those reading this it is pretty graphic so be careful before you read, stop making factually wrong statements here.

mazaje:

who are where is he?. . .the christain god is nothing but a fraudi say allah is the ultimate god prove to me that he is'nt. . .

call him a fraud,thief,lunatic,killer demon watever mazaje,it wont stop me from loving him(the God of d bible)

Judges 11

35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.

36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

40That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

Its quite clear for you to see sahel, why would they lament if she went to the temple to be a virgin
Please give us a more concrete answer, he did to her according to his vow, and please what was his vow again?

Please sahel lady lets be honest here, what was Abraham about to do to his son? Is there anywhere in the bible where it says that is what happened or you are just asserting, back to the bible now

Chrisbenogor:

Please sahel lady lets be honest here, what was Abraham about to do to his son? Is there anywhere in the bible where it says that is what happened or you are just asserting, back to the bible now.

Its quite clear for you to see sahel, why would they lament if she went to the temple to be a virgin
Please give us a more concrete answer, he did to her according to his vow, and please what was his vow again?

~Lady~:

lamentations do not have to take place because of a death, it just has to be something sorrowful. Isaiah speaks of Israel lamenting because salvation is far from them (a prophecy). To lament is to regret sorrowfully, for one to regret a death does not have to occur.

In this case she would lament to enter the temple as a virgin because she will never get to marry and because her father's lineage ends with her. She is lamenting because her father made a vow without thinking about the consequences.
For a woman to be taken into the temple as a virgin, especially if she dreamed of being married, that is enough to lament over.

His vow was general and in assumption of him offering an animal. Sahel lady already went into details on it. Human sacrifices were forbidden so there is no way that he could have offered her as a burnt offering.

sahel lady:

I agree

~Lady~:

i have to commend u, u did a great job explaining it to him logically. christianity is logical, even while spiritual it is logical. spirituality doesn't mean illogic and i wish people will see that.

sahel lady:

Thank you i must commend u as well. I believe the same thing religon could be logical. that is the reason why i accept it. The early church fathers were intellectual they never shut off their brains it just that many people refuse to see that. For example Syriac fathers were mathematicians and well verse in the sciences. It was christianity that actaully preserved all pagan works. Christian nubia had one of the most highest literacy level in the christian world. It's just that today many of the "popular" representations of the faith(if they even deserve that title) make us look bad. Scholars like NT Wright or Ravi Zacharias aren't so popular to the masses. They are only well known in academia and universities , very sad

Chrisbenogor:

I admire the work you two are doing but I have seen nowhere where you have quoted bible scholars, you just say they said. Plus what makes you feel what I wrote was just my opinion? I gave you historical examples, tell me what will come out of a man's house to greet him after war in that time?
Since we disagree on a lot maybe we should see what we agree on.
Do you girls agree that the bible does not explicitly mention what happens to her?
All we are doing is infer what happened to his daughter.