AllNaijaBlogger:



Happy new year!.

Thanks for taking time to explain the misunderstanding that sinequanon has with facts. I couldn't have said it better.


I honestly doubt that SQ went to Cambridge. Maybe he went to Kemibridge in Ekiti because his statements portray an unsophisticated philosopher

joseph1832:
Hmm

AllNaijaBlogger:



Happy new year!.

Thanks for taking time to explain the misunderstanding that sinequanon has with facts. I couldn't have said it better.


I honestly doubt that SQ went to Cambridge. Maybe he went to Kemibridge in Ekiti because his statements portray an unsophisticated philosopher

Pr0ton:

So I was pondering on this verse about faith i.e Hebrews 11:1. Soon I began to realize the implausibility of any EVIDENCE/PROOF for God as long as FAITH is involved. Here are some translations of Hebrews 11:1

GOD'S WORD® Translation

Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.

King James Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

New International Version
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

International Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the "certainty" that what we cannot see exists.

So I began to realize why John and Paul emphasize on faith in other to have any connection with God. They also knew that there could not be any proof for God's existence. The existence of God should be accepted by faith.

Pr0ton:

Trying to know more on faith, I looked it up on Wikipedia and I got this:

"Faith is defined as confidence or trust in a being, object, living organism, deity, view, or in the doctrines or teachings of a religion, as well as confidence based ON NO scientific, plausible, testable, demonstrable evidence whatsoever.

RikoduoSennin:


Can you have the word "EVIDENCE", "ASSURANCE", "CERTAINTY" in a sentence and their is no proof of Bible Faith linked to them?

Can someone be certain/ Assured of a Matter without any Proof/Evidence to back that up.

Though we can't see God but Creation gives EVIDENCE That he Exist!

The Above defination of Faith refers to the NON-BIBLICAL MEANING OF THE WORD "FAITH" .

theunusualmoon:
Pr0ton can you tell me how you are able to ascertain that your spouse truly loves you?

Pr0ton:
I can make myself believe I have a guardian angel who will always help me when I'm in trouble. I can make it up. I can be sure of it. I can make myself feel certain he does go everywhere with me. I can root all my faith and believe in him. But I can not prove to anyone he exists. Just as plaetton said, his existence is in my head, and my head only. Get it?

AllNaijaBlogger:



Happy new year!.

Thanks for taking time to explain the misunderstanding that sinequanon has with facts. I couldn't have said it better.

I honestly doubt that SQ went to Cambridge. Maybe he went to Kemibridge in Ekiti because his statements portray an unsophisticated philosopher

Pr0ton:


You are entirely on a different line bro.

sinequanon:


Yes you can.

"Prove something" means "convince people about that thing".

You may not be able to convince everybody, or even many people, but that doesn't mean that you cannot convince some people.

plaetton:

For a long time now, I have been trying to convince people that the 3rd mainland bridge in Lagos is my family property that I need to sell to raise chop money.
But so far, no takers.

So, do you think the bridge would rightfully become mine if I happen to convince a few olodos?

sinequanon:


Yes you can.

"Prove something" means "convince people about that thing".

You may not be able to convince everybody, or even many people, but that doesn't mean that you cannot convince some people.

theunusualmoon:

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You need to answer my question before you can confidently say that.

Pr0ton:



Through her actions

Pr0ton:
Except observable and testable evidence is involved, it's not a proof.

plaetton:



A beg, where can I get the application for Kemi-bridge in Ekiti? I hope they offer scholarships too.

RikoduoSennin:



Can someone be certain/ Assured of a Matter without any Proof/Evidence to back that up.

Pr0ton:


I can make myself believe I have a guardian angel who will always help me when I'm in trouble. I can make it up. I can be sure of it. I can make myself feel certain he does go everywhere with me. I can root all my faith and believe in him. But I can not prove to anyone he exists. Just as plaetton said, his existence is in my head, and my head only. Get it?

Pr0ton:

Childish! How does creation give you the evidence? Look up at the sky. What do you see?? You mean you can see a label like "I am created by the Christian God"?? Huh?? Does the sun tell you that? No! The existence of a Creator comes from human assumption, faith! And that's pretty childish!

Pr0ton:

Your Bible shouldn't use the word "faith" then if it means another thing other than the true meaning of religious faith!

Weah96:


Yes. That is what Hebrews 11 is saying. Read your bible very well. FAITH itself is the evidence. So there is evidence, just not the kind that human beings use in reality and daily life.

RikoduoSennin:


Please give me an Example of this kind of Faith/Evidence from the Bible because I really don't understand you post/comment above.

Weah96:


Human beings that walk on the ocean without wearing any flotation device. Where is your precedent for believing that story?

Abraham and co. lived to be hundreds of years old. How did you forget that part? How do human beings live to be 1000 years old with these our weak bodies? What have you seen in life that makes you realize that the story is true?

RikoduoSennin:


Now, I saw give me AN EXAMPLE OF BLIND FAITH in the Bible and you are questioning my Faith/Beliefs. Those are two different things- we are not of my Faith/beliefs , WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXAMPLES OF FAITH IN THE BIBLE/THE KIND OF FAITH BIBLE CHARACTERS DISPLAYED.

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Christ Angel and some other illutionist/Magicians with their spiritism can walk on water---Research that at your own peril.

The capacity of the human brain, the ability of the human cells to copy, replicate and replaced itself, and complete trust of what is written in the bible (Because a lot of things in it, is simply true and extraordinary)

Weah96:


The bible is fictional. Asking me to give you an example of someone from a fictional book is like asking me to write a book report. We're talking about faith here, and you claim that it is based on materials , and isn't necessarily blind.

Weah96:

That's why I asked you to show me why you believe that human beings can walk on water. What have you seen in everyday life which makes you believe that human beings can walk on the ocean? Kris Angel is a magician who isn't claiming to defy the laws of nature. He's good at making your brain think that the laws of nature are being nullified.

johnw74:


Having faith - believing in God without a doubt when you cannot prove He exists , is proof that faith is God given.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

If you don't believe without doubt, then get serious.
Seek (Truth - Jesus) and you will find.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

RikoduoSennin:


I did not say the bolded, I said Biblical faith is based on evidence simple. I gave an example of Abraham, you ignored it. I asked you to give an example, you ignored it also. So let's just drop it, it is Fiction to you but not to billions of people whether you like it all not.




Well Jesus is not just any human being, is he now?

Weah96:


Are you a bible character or are you a believer?[B] I have honest believers here who aren't ashamed to speak the truth. They tell me that the basis of their belief is blind faith. [/b] You on the other hand, disagree, preferring to point to Rolls Royces and the new moons as your evidence that humans beings can dance on the surface of the ocean.

Weah96:

The bible contains many examples of blind faith but the most popular one is the example of doubting Thomas from John 20.

Weah96:

John 20:29

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.


Here we see that Jesus has special blessings for people who believe things without material evidence, like you. You picked up a book and believed the incredulous things written inside, even though they do not have corresponding illustrations in nature.

RikoduoSennin:


The bolded section is wrong, You can't have Biblical faith without believing that he exist WITH EVIDENCE TO BACK YOUR BELIEVE. (Hebrew 11:6; Romans 1:20)

The bible and Creation is proof that God exist, only ignorant once do not see the proof. But they have no excuse.

sinequanon:


"If you pray, you will succeed in life". You can produce observABLE and testABLE evidence for this. But different people will interpret the evidence differently.

You may not like some people's interpretations of the observABLE and testABLE evidence, and they may not like yours. You may prefer another explanations for why Mr. Fitzmolars succeeded in life. But, just because you disagree with his interpretation of the evidence doesn't mean it wasn't "observABLE" or "testABLE".

johnw74:


RikoduoSennin, the bolded part is not wrong, it is part of the verse. I bolded it to show that the gift of faith comes from God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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RikoduoSennin:


Well, that is a wrong perception of Bible Faith!
Abraham is called the "Father of Faith"- he did not have blind Faith/ the kind of Faith you describe.: Hebrew 11:17-19 --- He has a good reason/evidence to believe God can bring his son back to life because at 100 years of Age he had a son of the promise.


Give me one example of bible patriach that has/display BLIND FAITH.

THE EARTH IS PERFECT FOR LIFE IS PROOF ENOUGH FOR ME THAT GOD EXIST.

Have you heard of "Registers", I am sure you have. Football, Law, Medicines have their own Registers. So too Religion has theirs. You can't use the general definition on it: Have you notice different definition for a particular word in a dictionary?