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The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:40am On Oct 14, 2010 |
Continuing from the thread Prophecy 101: satan and allah I would be addressing kola Oloye's convictions on the deity of Christ, others are equally welcome to contribute but not divert from the issue at hand. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:09am On Oct 14, 2010 |
My first question was: OLAADEGBU: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-518186.0.html kola oloye: You answered a capital NO to the question of the Christ being the Creator of heaven and earth and went further to insinuate that John 1:1 has a different meaning in Greek/Hebrew. Let us consider this John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The simple logic of this verse can be summed up as thus: THE WORD = GOD In John 1:14 it states: "The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us." From these verses we can deduce the following: JESUS = THE WORD Simple logic declares that if A=B and B=C then A=C. Therefore, since JESUS = THE WORD and THE WORD = GOD, then JESUS = GOD QED. If you contend that John 1:1 should be translated as "The Word was a god," and not "The Word was God." And if you are using the same line of arguments of the JW's that since theos (the Greek word for God) is preceded by the definite article (the) when it first appears in the verse, and the second time it appears it is not preceded by the definite article, they are therefore justified in translating the last part of John 1:1 "the Word was a god," because God appears without the definite article. And you claim that John 1:1 does not say anything about Jesus' identity (i.e, that He is God), but refers to a quality about Him. There are, however, no reputable authorities or translations that support the JW's translation of this verse. In fact, their NWT has caused considerable outrage among Greek scholars because it is a major distortion of the text. You will be surprised that the JW's don't even play by their own rules, it is inconsistently applied throughout their NWT. Theos appears 6 times without the definite article in the first 18 verses of John's gospel (1,6,12,13 and twice in 18). Yet, in the NWT, it is rendered God (referring to Jehovah), not a god, in each instance except for the last clause of 1:1, when it refers to Jesus! Do you see their inconsistencies? To remain consistent, JW's must hold that verse 6 should read, "There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of a god," that verse 12 should read "to become a god's children," and so on. If you observe carefully you will note that the absence of the definite article does not refer to someone other than the true God. The scholarly Arndt and Gingrich Greek Lexicon, p. 357, states that theos is used "quite predominantly of the true God, sometimes with, sometimes without, the article." 1 Like |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:19am On Oct 14, 2010 |
Let's see John 1:3 so as to put verse 1 in proper perspective. "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made" Here you can clearly see that God created and redeemed all things by Jesus Christ. 1 Like |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:25am On Oct 14, 2010 |
Here is another powerful verse: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."(1 Timothy 3:16) "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit." "The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), and was "declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness" (Romans 1:4). You can see here that this couplet relates Christ’s human/divine nature. His humanity was evident to all; His divinity was declared through the Spirit. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by Image123(m): 11:08am On Oct 14, 2010 |
What? Hope it's a mistake of an insinuation sha. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:42am On Oct 14, 2010 |
Image123: Its more than insinuation, he is strongly convinced. You can read from the link below https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-518186.0.html |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 1:14pm On Oct 14, 2010 |
Like I said earlier in the other thread. What someone says about himself is more important than what people say about the person. Let us look at it from JOHN 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son. . .". God, Jehovah,is the creator of all things.Jesus is the son sent to the world for our redemption. He shed his blood on the cross of Calvary. John the baptist testified that he heard the voice of God telling him about the coming of Jesus. His main objective was to prepare the way for the lamb of God. Jesus was not the one speaking to John but God himself who was about to fulfill JOHN 3:16 In the book of Isiah God was asking: Who shall i send ? Jesus answered : here i am send me. LET US HEAR FROM THE LORD HIMSELF JOHN 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. 29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me. The pronoun 'he' and 'him' defines Jehovah. Jesus was sent by Him. 16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. 18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. BRB 1 Like |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 1:31pm On Oct 14, 2010 |
MATTHEW 16: 13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Let us look at vs.17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Jesus confirmed what Peter said,Right? BRB 1 Like |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 4:12pm On Oct 14, 2010 |
All these your analysis A=C is your own conclusion.Jesus never called himself God. All your quotations from the book of Colossians is just like what you are trying to proof that if A=B and B=C then A=C. The writers statement was not confirmed either by Jesus or any of the Apostles. You can see the confirmation of what I was telling you by the Lord himself . He,Jesus, referred to God as my father in heaven.Jesus is not the Jehovah. Nobody can kill the Almighty God.He cannot be crucified for the sins of the people he created. Before we proceed kindly give me the scripture in the entire Bible where Jesus called or confirmed himself as Jehovah. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by KunleOshob(m): 4:32pm On Oct 14, 2010 |
I really don't understand why "christians" would be trying to force what is not in the bible in to it. The bible is crystal clear on who Jesus Christ is, it is heretic to try and make him to be what he NEVER claimed o be. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by Enigma(m): 4:35pm On Oct 14, 2010 |
kola oloye: Wrong! Here is one example of Jesus calling Himself God Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by Image123(m): 8:26pm On Oct 14, 2010 |
O my God! I hope to have time for this during the weekend. Kola don't be so sure of yourself o, i'll pray if i were you sha. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 8:46am On Oct 15, 2010 |
Enigma:I laff in Germany. The book of revelation was not written by Jesus. John was the writer,the one that the spirit of God was ministering to. Revelation 1 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6[b] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;[/b] to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Please get understanding. Jesus is not the Almighty God. I'm still waiting for Prophet Ola 1 Like |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 8:51am On Oct 15, 2010 |
KunleOshob:Please help me tell them oooooooooooooo. Image123:Please prepare well before coming. May the good Lord grant you all the time you need to participate. JESUS is LORD,no controversy.It is not negotiable. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 10:31am On Oct 15, 2010 |
@Enigma Have you read this before since you know Revelation? REV.3: 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. REV.3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 11:17am On Oct 15, 2010 |
Where is the challenger,Prophet Olaadegbu. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by JohnOneOne: 11:24am On Oct 15, 2010 |
As can be witnessed above, many who take issue with Jehovah's Witnesses' "New World Translation" of 'theos' in John 1:1c (as, "a god" often miss the point that this is 'a singular anarthrous predicate noun *preceding the verb* and subject noun (stated or implied)' - that is, not just that use of the noun 'theos' in the third clause lacks the Greek definite article. (In the Greek language of this period, there was no such thing as an indefinite article; therefore, depending upon the grammar, syntax and context of the phrase, when translating to English, the decision on whether to add an indefinite article or not would be decided by the translator.) This would also explain why some of the examples many feel inclined to provide (as had been above with John 1, verses 2, 6, 12, 13, 18 and 51), that is, as NWT violations of this supposed guideline (that these verses also do not have the Greek definite article, do not apply; and this is simply because, at those other instances, these verses do not fit the same grammatical, syntatical criteria as that found within John 1:1c. Agape, JohnOneOne. http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by samuraix1: 11:36am On Oct 15, 2010 |
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Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by nopuqeater: 12:39pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
@Olaadegbu: « #1 on: Yesterday at 10:09:02 AM » [Quote]My first question was: Quote from: OLAADEGBU on October 12, 2010, 01:38 PM @kola oloye, I got one kweshun for you, and it is this: Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Creator of heaven and earth? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-518186.0.html Quote from: kola oloye on October 12, 2010, 04:04 PM The answer to your question is capital NO. Don't let John 1;1 confuse you.Two of the word "WORD" in that scripture has different meanings Check the Greek / Hebrew meaning of the first 'Word' in that statement. BRB You answered a capital NO to the question of the Christ being the Creator of heaven and earth and went further to insinuate that John 1:1 has a different meaning in Greek/Hebrew. Let us consider this John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The simple logic of this verse can be summed up as thus: THE WORD = GOD In John 1:14 it states: "The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us." From these verses we can deduce the following: JESUS = THE WORD Simple logic declares that if A [/pre]=B and=C then A= [/pre]C.THE WORD and THE WORD = [/pre] GOD, thenGOD QED. If you contend that John 1:1 should be translated as "The Word was a god," and not "The Word was God." And if you are using the same line of arguments of the JW's that since theos (the Greek word for God) is preceded by the definite article (the) when it first appears in the verse, and the second time it appears it is not preceded by the definite article, they are therefore justified in translating the last part of John 1:1 "the Word was a god," because God appears without the definite article. And you claim that John 1:1 does not say anything about Jesus' identity (i.e, that He is God), but refers to a quality about Him. There are, however, no reputable authorities or translations that support the JW's translation of this verse. In fact, their NWT has caused considerable outrage among Greek scholars because it is a major distortion of the text. You will be surprised that the JW's don't even play by their own rules, it is inconsistently applied throughout their NWT. Theos appears 6 times without the definite article in the first 18 verses of John's gospel (1,6,12,13 and twice in 18). Yet, in the NWT, it is rendered God (referring to Jehovah), not a god, in each instance except for the last clause of 1:1, when it refers to Jesus! Do you see their inconsistencies? Cheesy To remain consistent, JW's must hold that verse 6 should read, "There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of a god," that verse 12 should read "to become a god's children," and so on. If you observe carefully you will note that the absence of the definite article does not refer to someone other than the true God. The scholarly Arndt and Gingrich Greek Lexicon, p. 357, states that theos is used "quite predominantly of the true God, sometimes with, sometimes without, the article." Report to moderator Logged The heart of the human problem is the problem of the human heart OLAADEGBU (m) UK Posts: 6098 Online Online Re: Inviting Kola Oloye On The Evidence Of The Deity Of Christ. « #2 on: Yesterday at 10:19:09 AM » Let's see John 1:3 so as to put verse 1 in proper perspective. "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made" Here you can clearly see that God created and redeemed all things by Jesus Christ. Report to moderator Logged The heart of the human problem is the problem of the human heart OLAADEGBU (m) UK Posts: 6098 Online Online Re: Inviting Kola Oloye On The Evidence Of The Deity Of Christ. « #3 on: Yesterday at 10:25:55 AM » Here is another powerful verse: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."(1 Timothy 3:16) "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit." "The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), and was "declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness" (Romans 1:4). You can see here that this couplet relates Christ’s human/divine nature. His humanity was evident to all; His divinity was declared through the Spirit.[/Quote]Olaadegbu. Wrong equations, line by line. If Jesus was made as you had stated in a post on another thread, while trying to make him into Adam, another Adam you said, how did he make everything and without him nothing would have been made? The man himself was made like you and I. How is he now the Maker? Finally, Timothy, and Romans are no Gospel. And not all verses of Gospel are correct. Most are just fantasies since Paul and those who supported his cause have won and Jesus was not there to correct, leaving the correction to the Another Comforter to make, in the future. Kola Oloye's Gospel verse below is one of the terrible lies of post Jesus in the Gospel. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:02pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
kola oloye: The Incarnate Deity "Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men." (Philippians 2:5-7) The entire gospel message runs counter to the human mind. The Creator dying for the creation. The judge paying the penalty for the guilty. The immortal One dying. Sinless God substituting for human sinners. No human or devil ever could have thought of this scheme, and indeed, no such one did. This is evidenced by the works-oriented salvation offered by all cults and false religions, as conjured up by such sources. But make no mistake! The babe in the manger was the Creator, holy and eternal! "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. . . . All things were created by him, and for him: . . . that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself" (Colossians 1:15-20). In order to qualify as a sacrificial substitute, He had to be born as a child into humankind, but without the inherited sin nature of His human parents. A virgin birth was therefore necessary. He had to live a sinless life. He had to be fully human, but also fully God, so that His substitutionary death could apply to the sins of more than one guilty sinner. He had to be "God with us," the meaning of the precious title Emmanuel (Matthew 1:23), as prophesied years before (Isaiah 7:14). JDM Christ, by the highest Heav'n adored, Christ, the everlasting Lord: Late in the time behold Him come, Offspring of a virgin's womb. Veiled in flesh the Godhead see, Hail th'incarnate Deity! Pleased as man with men to dwell, Jesus our Emmamuel. Hark! the herald angels sing, "Glory to the newborn King!" |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:14pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
He was there. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 1:17pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
You haven't answered my question. Kindly give me the scripture in the entire Bible where Jesus called or confirmed himself as Jehovah. I'm not interested on what others says about you but only what you say about yourself. I'm waiting. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 1:19pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
Did you even read this? Let us look at it from JOHN 3:16 |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by nopuqeater: 1:29pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
@Kola Oloye: « #6 on: Yesterday at 01:14:11 PM » [Quote]Like I said earlier in the other thread. What someone says about himself is more important than what people say about the person. Let us look at it from JOHN 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son. . .". God, Jehovah,is the creator of all things.Jesus is the son sent to the world for our redemption. He shed his blood on the cross of Calvary. John the baptist testified that he heard the voice of God telling him about the coming of Jesus. His main objective was to prepare the way for the lamb of God. Jesus was not the one speaking to John but God himself who was about to fulfill JOHN 3:16 In the book of Isiah God was asking: Who shall i send ? Jesus answered : here i am send me.[/Quote]The first bold; Who is the mother of the baby and wife of the father? Unless you are an adulterer or fornicator, there is no baby without a wife. God created everything. Why need a son when He is no married and not dying so there is a need for replacement? Creating without a father is easy, since He created among men, a man from sand, and a woman immediately from the man's rib. neither of these new creatures had a previous example to simply copy from, an easier task. Neither of them had parents. They came fully formed to take in the information to handle the tasks of living. Jesus came into the world like the rest of us after 9 months of incubation in the mother's oven. How is Jesus the lamb of God, when He miraculously saved the "to be slaughtered son" of Abraham? If God ransom a boy, what do you think He will do if the man was actually a lamb? Will He not also ransom him? Though not a lamb, but a human, we would expect God to value him just He valued the little son of Abraham. Now I know He did not allow his life to be wasted on the wooden thing. He was also ransom by the Merciful God. If Isiah was talking how is Jesus part of it? Can we find this verse in Jewish Torah? And will Jesus name be written there or the jews will have a different conclusion? Kola Oloye, you are are now making things up, like Olaadegbu. Exactly. [Quote]LET US HEAR FROM THE LORD HIMSELF JOHN 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. 29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me. The pronoun 'he' and 'him' defines Jehovah. Jesus was sent by Him. 16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. 18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. BRB Report to moderator Logged A Closed Mouth Is A Closed Destiny kola oloye (m) abuja,nigeria Posts: 2184 Offline Offline Re: Inviting Kola Oloye On The Evidence Of The Deity Of Christ. « #7 on: Yesterday at 01:31:03 PM » MATTHEW 16: 13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.[/Quote]Is that the same Peter he called Shaitan at a later date? While Jesus called himself son of man, and turn around to say his father is in heaven, will you not expect that at his nailing on the cross he would yell to his father, instead of calling his Lord, God Who sent him and decided to forsake him then? I hereby state without reservation that the part about being son of Living God, with a father in heaven is a pure later addition to propose a son of God candidate, since God was not like us, the begotten was also added, where applicable. Will God Almighty forsake a true Prophet from Him? God didnt for sake Moses. Didnt forsake any prophet before Jesus. Didnt forsake the only one after him. Why will God forsake Jesus if he was a true prophet, not wishing to go through the agony? [Quote] 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.[/Quote]Didnt Peter in addition deny ever knowing jesus, at least 3 times before dawn? Some rock. I say. If you have this type of rock, who needs a quick sand? [Quote] 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.[/Quote]Why not add that the son of Living God, his father in heaven? You see that Jesus didnt say that part, but a later addition, which Allah revealed as false by this very statement that Jesus made, while hiding his identity even as the christ. [Quote] 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.[/Quote]3rd day; thats 72 hours. Calculate it y'all. [Quote] Let us look at vs.17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Jesus confirmed what Peter said,Right? BRB Report to moderator Logged A Closed Mouth Is A Closed Destiny kola oloye (m) abuja,nigeria Posts: 2184 Offline Offline Re: Inviting Kola Oloye On The Evidence Of The Deity Of Christ. « #8 on: Yesterday at 04:12:57 PM » All these your analysis A=C is your own conclusion.Jesus never called himself God. All your quotations from the book of Colossians is just like what you are trying to proof that if A=B and B=C then A=C. The writers statement was not confirmed either by Jesus or any of the Apostles. You can see the confirmation of what I was telling you by the Lord himself .[/Quote]You are in the same camp as Olaadegbu. Both of you are on your own. Truth is Jesus was neither God nor son of God. But a plain warner to the Jews, the lost sheep, which were majority of them. He was a prophet, a messenger with a message; the Gospel. [Quote]He,Jesus, referred to God as my father in heaven.Jesus is not the Jehovah. Nobody can kill the Almighty God.He cannot be crucified for the sins of the people he created. Before we proceed kindly give me the scripture in the entire Bible where Jesus called or confirmed himself as Jehovah.[/Quote]Just the same can you give me in the Bible where Jesus mother is confirmed as the wife or consort of Jehovah? |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by nopuqeater: 1:32pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
lol. olaadegbu and his cartoon. instead of designing homes, why arent you in comic business? |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by e36991: 1:36pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
@Kola Oloye Hi, I think Olaadegbu is tackling the symptoms and not the root cause with you. If you dont mind and have the time let's jaw-jaw on Yahoo Instant Messenger Responses would be instant without delays or having to wait as its presently here Drop me your yahoo email address at the below details b1594753@lhsdv.com We will ask questions and post the answers here to confirm & authenticate each other before proceeding Are you game? |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by kolaoloye(m): 1:53pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
@nopuqeater, Your case is different.Your problem is very simple not as complicated as Ola's. [b]Lah Ilaha Ilah Allahu and Lam Yahlid Walam Yhulad [/b]is your own headache. I will be back to tackle that. Don't forget, I was there before I found grace in the Lord Jesus. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by e36991: 1:57pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
@Kola Oloye I am waiting . . . Na wa ooo. If not interested instead of keeping mute at least do the honourable of declining. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:01pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
kola oloye: If you look at past posts you will see where Enigma answered your question. I will try again. "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." --Revelation 22:12,13 Revelation 21:5-7 reads: "He who is seated on the throne said "Behold, I make all things new" And he said unto me, "Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." Here God says that He is the beginning and the end. In Revelation 22:12,13, Jesus (see 22:16) says that He is the beginning and the end: "Behold I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Jesus clearly shows that He is God by saying things about Himself that only God can say about Himself. John 10:30-33 This is another clear passage teaching that Jesus is God: (Christ speaking) "I and the Father are one." Again the Jews picked up stones to stone Him, but Jesus said to them: "I have shown you many miracles from the Father, for which of these do you stone me?" "We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the Jews, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." When studying the original Greek of Jesus' statement "I and the Father are one," the word translated "one" means one in essence, or nature, not merely one in purpose. |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by e36991: 2:07pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
@Kola Oloye I have dropped you a question Check your Yahoo inbox Paste your answer here to authenticate before we proceed to Yahoo IM |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:21pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
kola oloye: You don't have to wait any longer. Here is another one. In John 8:58 Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I am." I AM was the most revered divine name of God in the Old Testament (Ex. 3:14). Christ was not merely claiming that He existed before Abraham, but that He was still in existence before Abraham. Dr. A.T. Robertson, one of the greatest Greek scholars who ever lived, had this to say about John 8:58 after translating it "I am": "Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God." |
Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by e36991: 2:34pm On Oct 15, 2010 |
@Kola Oloye Hi thanks but no thanks Mind you b1594753@lhsdv.com has been timed to self-dectruct in a few minutes Holler when you're ready and keen. You have my Yahoo ID |
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