Sagamite:


Yes, they are disorders.

An "abnormal sexual desire" is any sexual desire that perverses the natural and normal use of sexual organs.

carefreewannabe:


Define mental disorder, please.

carefreewannabe:

The verb "to perverse" does not exist and so I am not sure I get your definition right.

carefreewannabe:

How does a pedophile "perverse" the natural and normal use of se*xual organs?

carefreewannabe:

What is normal and natural? Define normal and natural.

FrancisTony:

Lool! Going by your definition, I can authoritatively say that Paedophilia isn't an abnormality. Is it?

By the way, Paedophilia doesn't perverse the natural use of sexual organs.

Sagamite:


Authoritatively?

I am listening.

Tell me.

FrancisTony:

Heterosexual paedophiles go the normal/natural way of having sex.

Therefore, your definition won't classify it as an abnormality.

Notwithstanding that some heterosexual males also practise anäl sex with females. Does that make them abnormal?

Sagamite:


A mental disorder is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life (disability), and which is not a developmental or social norm. Mental disorders are generally defined by a combination of how a person feels, acts, thinks or perceives. This may be associated with particular regions or functions of the brain or rest of the nervous system, often in a social context.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perverse

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perversion

When your brain makes you desire to use your sexual organs on a being against the order of nature and normality, then you are perversing the natural and normal use of sexual organs.

A normal and natural adult would have a brain that makes them desire an adult of opposite sex. Not a child who is not fully developed.

Any desire for a sexually underdeveloped child is a perversion

Normal is the norm of sexual interactions.

Natural is the natural intended use of sexual organs.

Sagamite:


You are not authoritative.

Next time, read and comprehend before making such a statement.

It is not normal or natural to use your sex organs on a 3 year old.

Your brain should, if you are normal and natural, trigger you to be excited only when you see features of an adult of opposite sex.

Not a child, someone of same sex, dog, dead body, car, tree, Tin of Bournvita etc.

carefreewannabe:


When you copy and paste, provide the source please.
I have already done my research and the definition you have provided is imprecise and highly disputable.
You should do more in-depth analysis before you diagnose people with mental disorders Mr Freud

carefreewannabe:

Now let us have a closer look at the definition, that you have so easily adopted.

A mental disorder is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life (disability),

How does homosexuality cause suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life?

carefreewannabe:

and which is not a developmental or social norm.

Who decides what a social norm is?

carefreewannabe:

To discriminate against Jews was a norm in Hitler Germany.

carefreewannabe:

I said that the verb "to perverse" does not exist and you send me two links that show that perverse is an adjective.

carefreewannabe:

What "normal" is depends on many factors such as, for instance, social norms. Social norms depend on the cultural context and change over time.
It is therefore difficult to determine what "normal" actually means and philosophers have spent a considerable time discussing the question.

carefreewannabe:

Now how does a pedophile use his sexual organs against the order of nature and normality?

carefreewannabe:

Says who?

carefreewannabe:

A 13-year-old is se*xually developed. A 12-year-old is able to have kids. Is it not what se*xuality is for? Procreation? Why is it unnatural?

carefreewannabe:

Sorry?

carefreewannabe:

A man wants to procreate with a 13-year-old and impregnate her, what is unnatural about it? Her body can NATURALLY do it.

Sagamite:


Can you give me what your definition is?

You cut out the rest of the definition? And put it here?

Social norm is defined by society.

Some social norms are defined based on morals and values. Some would be spurred by naturality.

And so?

Nah grammar school we dey?

Why are you asking me to prove the existence "to perverse" to you? Did you see me use the verb, teasha?

I have already explained the origins of social norms are to you above.

It is not normal or natural to be turned on by a child, hence having the sexual desire to shag a child is against the order of nature and normality.

Says nature.

And so?

Who said it was unnatural?

Normal sexual interactions.

Deeck and pucci!

Yes.

Who said otherwise?

carefreewannabe:

I have no definition and as a matter of fact there is no generally accepted definition. Nobody doubts the existence of mental disorders but there is an ongoing debate over what a mental disorder is. Consequently, professionals and especially non-professionals must be careful before labeling people.

carefreewannabe:

I ignored the last two sentences because there was nothing meaningful about them.

carefreewannabe:

So the killing of twins was normal, a norm defined by society.

carefreewannabe:

Others by in*sanity and ignorance, like the killing of twins or female genital circumcision. Normal, not?

carefreewannabe:

And so your definition is highly questionable. I am actually surprised you fell for it so easily.

carefreewannabe:

I am only trying to understand your definition.

carefreewannabe:

Yes, I did. It's written here, you can go back and re-read it.

carefreewannabe:
It is normal in many parts of the world for millions of people.

Is it natural? Maybe. I don't know.

natural

existing in nature; not made or caused by humans

http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/natural_1?q=natural

carefreewannabe:

Well, nature has also caused some human beings to develop cancer. Does nature dictate what is right or wrong?
Is natural always good and unnatural always evil?

carefreewannabe:

So now pedophilia is normal (in some parts of the world for many people) and natural?

It is not abnormal? It is not a mental disorder?

carefreewannabe:

Why is it normal?

Sorry, I forgot you said that society dictates what normal is.
So homosexuality and pedophilia are normal depending on where they occur.

carefreewannabe:

So it is not pedophilia when a 35-year-old impregnantes a 12-year-old?

Sagamite:


Yes, they are disorders.

An "abnormal sexual desire" is any sexual desire that perverses the natural and normal use of sexual organs.

Sagamite:


You are not authoritative.

Next time, read and comprehend before making such a statement.

It is not normal or natural to use your sex organs on a 3 year old.

Your brain should, if you are normal and natural, trigger you to be excited only when you see features of an adult of opposite sex.

Not a child, someone of same sex, dog, dead body, car, tree, Tin of Bournvita etc.

beryl04:




from the way u write one doesn't need a soothsayer to know that u are already suffering in eternal damnation.u really are living in hell right now or u think this one you are living is life?
ignorant m.ofo!

FrancisTony:

Okay

You haven't answered my last question, whether some heterosexuals that engage in anäl sex are normal.

And also, are lesbians normal?, because their mode of sex don't go against your so-called nature.

fleet7:


another Gay on nairaland God will punish you

FrancisTony:

Okay

You haven't answered my last question, whether some heterosexuals that engage in anäl sex are normal.

FrancisTony:

And also, are lesbians normal?, because their mode of sex don't go against your so-called nature.

carefreewannabe:


One more time, because you are denying that you have not used this verb, which does not exist. It is here in red.

There is not to perverse (verb), there is only perverse (adjective).

The difference between a verb and an adjective is really not so difficult.

carefreewannabe:

And before we go round in circles, you have no qualifications to diagnose people with mental disorders.
You have googled the definition of mental disorder and used the first definition without actually understanding it.

carefreewannabe:

Your argumentation is shaky and based on sentiments rather than a coherent line of reasoning.

Let us look at your definition again and assume that it is a reliable tool to diagnose mental disorders.

A mental disorder is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life (disability), and which is not a developmental or social norm. Mental disorders are generally defined by a combination of how a person feels, acts, thinks or perceives. This may be associated with particular regions or functions of the brain or rest of the nervous system, often in a social context.

[size=3pt]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder[/size]

This is the definition you provided.

So how is homo*sexuality a behavioral pattern that causes suffering or an impaired ability to function?

Sagamite:


Teasha, asI told you, I am a product of Shagamu Institute of Technology.

Dem no dey teash us all this things you are talking about.

I never said "to perverse", I said "perverses". That said, maybe it would have been more right to use perverts.




I need a qualification before I can identify people with a mental disorder?

I need an engineering degree before I can identify a thing as a car?

I even need a diploma in hair-dressing before I can identify that a woman has had her hair made?

Or what next will you say? I should go and bring you "proof"?

You are yet to tell me what your understanding of what mental disorder is before you can "diagnose" that I have no actual understanding of it and the definition I provided is imprecise and highly disputable.



Lol.

My argument is incoherent?

Let me tell you why it is incoherent to you.

You wanna know?

Wait for it .................................

Wait .............................

Because I have a mental disorder.

Before I go on and expand on that, let me quickly deviate and highlight that again, you decide to chop a sentence half way to ask a question.

Now back to my mental disorder.

I am not normal, I don't follow the social norm. My behavioural pattern reflects someone that is suffering and has an impaired ability to function in ordinary life, and this behavioural pattern in not a developmental norm, nor a social norm.

My brain and thinking has developed differently from that of almost all in society. This affects the way I feel, act, think and perceive things. It also causes me a lot of suffering in ordinary life.

This is why you feel my argument and line of thinking is incoherent.

Unlike you, I have not fallen for social noise. Because I have a mental disorder, I have an inherent desire to ALWAYS question whatever information people are giving me and trying to put in my brain. Because I have a mental disorder, I have an inherent desire to not listen only to what people tell me, but to question it and come up with my own ORIGINAL thinking.

I said it al here on my profile: http://www.jarushub.com/sagamite-are-polytechnics-on-par-with-universities/

"He prides himself on his organic, objective and independent thinking, so the audience should expect a significant number of his articles to be contra-popular belief. He is one of Nigeria’s leading objective-Contrarian thinkers about life’s generally accepted conventional wisdom."

Now to you, my argument appears incoherent because you see me not calling an adult having sex with a 12 year old "a paedophile".

Your problem is lack of original thinking. You fell for social noise.

Unlike you, I have been researching and thinking about this shyt long before I began arguing about it. I have an insatiable appetite for knnowledge and challenging the norm. ............................I admit, a mental disorder. You are normal, I am not!

When people and he media call those adults having sex with 12 to 17 year old a PAEDOPHILE. I did not take it hook line and sinker.

As it came to my brain, I questioned and scrutinised it before I allowed it to enter. That is the normal process information goes through in the brain of an objective-contrarian thinker.

I thought to myself, how can we have a LOGICAL description of paedophilia? Where does the cut-off mark come in? Considering the different ages of consent in all parts of the world and even amongst the enlightened nation, how can this be paedophilia? Considering that some pubescent girls can have matured features and can reproduce, how come we are calling people that fancy them a term that is for mental disorder?

So you know what? I did my research. YEARS AGO! ..............On WIKIPEDIA!

I thought, thinkers, that do not fall for such conventional wisdom must have done some work on it.

They are not paedophiles. They are called hebephiles.

Because the media charges you up with outrage and calls them carelessly paedophiles, does not make them paedophiles. They are not sick, they are just unprincipled and immoral. And we jail them based on our disapproval of their immorality and unpricipled actions.

Rightfully so. I have no problems with laws based on morals.

That was why we were going in circles. Because you did not know this and you made an assumption about my thoughts instead of asking me. So I kept on asking you "And so?". Then you go confused because you had not done the research and understood it, thought I was being ambiguous and labelled it "incoherent".

carefreewannabe:


So how is homo*sexuality a behavioral pattern that causes suffering or an impaired ability to function?

Sagamite:


Who said that?

carefreewannabe:


Is paedophilia a mental disorder?

Is homosexuality a mental disorder?

Define "abnormal sexual desire", please.

Sagamite:

Yes, they are disorders.

An "abnormal sexual desire" is any sexual desire that perverses the natural and normal use of sexual organs.

Carefreewannabe:

Define mental disorder, please.

Sagamite:
A mental disorder is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life (disability), and which is not a developmental or social norm. [/b]Mental disorders are generally defined by a combination of how a person feels, acts, thinks or perceives. This may be associated with particular regions or functions of the brain or rest of the nervous system, often in a social context.

fleet7:

why are you gay?you trying to tell God he made a mistake you better repent don't be ignorant, if being gay is life then i would rather be in hell.Your just another genetial mistake.You lucky i don't know you or else i would have seperated your head from your body your a course to humanity and you all must die and burn in hell,your sin is beyound repentance its only death that cleans your blood from the course you have brought to this world

carefreewannabe:

So how is homo*sexuality a behavioral pattern that causes suffering or an impaired ability to function?

Sagamite:

A mental disorder is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life (disability), and which is not a developmental or social norm. Mental disorders are generally defined by a combination of how a person feels, acts, thinks or perceives. This may be associated with particular regions or functions of the brain or rest of the nervous system, often in a social context.

Sagamite:
So I asked you who said this:



And you showed me I said this:

carefreewannabe:


Is it not the definition you based your opinion on that homosexuals have a mental disorder?

You don't like it now?

Sagamite:


Is it?

carefreewannabe:


Facing the judge:

No further questions your honor.


Case closed. Carefree would make an excellent lawyer.

Sagamite:


The judge would say, "Go back to law school and learn how to exactly address what your learned opposition argued before you ever come to my court again".

The beauty of online/forum arguments compared to real life arguments.

carefreewannabe:


You claimed that homose*xuals have a mental disorder and to prove your point used a definition of mental disorder that disproved your claim instead of proving it.

You cannot escape since it is written here and cannot be denied.

Indeed beautiful.

Sagamite:


Explain how my definition disproved it.

I wait.